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    Q&A with Herb Simon

    https://theathletic.com/968170/2019/...-nba-and-more/

    In his own words: Pacers owner Herb Simon discusses his team, arena upgrades, state of the NBA and more

    Herb Simon is a background owner, involved in his Pacers without meddling. He’s also owned the team since 1983, making him the longest-tenured owner in the NBA.

    Simon doesn’t often do interviews, but he sat down this week with The Athletic Indiana to talk about the state of the team, the league and life as an NBA owner.

    Here’s our conversation:

    Of all the current NBA owners, you have the longest tenure, having owned the Indiana Pacers for 36 years, since 1983. Is that something you take particular pride in?

    Everything in life is timing, right? When we got it, the city fathers needed somebody to own the team and reached out to (my late bother, Melvin) and I. It wasn’t that important to me at the beginning except to keep it in the city. I had another life in business so it was just there, but as I’ve gotten older, I’ve become more involved and it’s become more important to me and brought me greater enjoyment, so I’m all in on the Pacers.

    Why did you and Mel step up and buy the team during that desperate time in the Pacers history?

    Well, if you remember, the team was going to be moved to Sacramento at the time and the city fathers came to us to see if we would do something at the time. We were both so young back then; our business was just getting started. At the time, I thought, ‘Wow they must think a lot of me.’ Twenty years later (Pacers executive and longtime Indianapolis mover and shaker) Jim (Morris) admitted to me we were the sixth people they went to. But I’m glad they did.

    We talked several years ago, I think around 10 years ago, and you talked about how much money the team was losing after the lean years that came after The Brawl in Detroit. Have there been times when you thought about washing your hands of the franchise?

    Well, it got sticky after the Brawl and then in 2008-09, when we went into a recession. There were major cash losses during that period of time. That’s when my brother and his wife wanted to get out and sell and I took a chance and bought it. It was scary for a while, but I always felt that it was going to be OK. But yes, I’ve thought twice about it, sure, when the team was losing money and the team wasn’t worth what it is now, it was a very scary time. But I never gave up hope and I never, EVER, wanted to get rid of it.

    The franchise just made a deal with the city to upgrade Bankers Life Fieldhouse and the areas surrounding the arena. Why did you feel like that was something that was necessary?

    It was important for two reasons: One, we want to make sure the team is here long after I’m gone, and second, I also wanted to put in more public spaces to make the arena more enjoyable as a focal point in the city. We’re really changing the inside of the building (Bankers Life Fieldhouse) and get it ready for the 21st century the way people like to be entertained and watch basketball games. It has a lot of other activities. The inside will be especially up to date.

    While you’re spending all this money, can you please fix the Internet? I’d appreciate that.

    Listen (laughing), I have some of the nicest homes and my phone doesn’t work well in either one, so don’t tell me your sob story.

    (Note from Kravitz: I have only one home and can barely make the mortgage, so don’t tell me about sob stories).

    The one criticism I hear from fans and taxpayers is this: Why should a privately owned sports franchise be feeding at the public trough at taxpayer expense? How do you counter that argument?

    I think most people understand that this deal is an economic benefit to the city and state. I’ve heard very limited criticism.

    (Note: At this point, Rick Fuson, the Pacers president, is sitting in and tells me the way he helped pitch it to the city. According to economic studies he’s seen, the Pacers produce $400 million a year in revenue for the city and employ over 4,000 people. In addition, the majority of the money in this latest deal will come in from out of state).

    After the lean years, when you were losing money, did you ever think about selling or moving the franchise?

    Never. Moving was never an option. Because don’t forget: The city fathers came to us to keep the team in the city. Now the team is worth a lot more in another city, what kind of gratitude would that be if we moved it to make some extra money? I couldn’t live with myself.

    (Note: Simon bought the Pacers in 1983 for $10.5 million; it’s now worth more than a billion).

    How would you characterize the fiscal strength of your franchise now?

    I think we’re as healthy as we’ve been. We’re still accumulating a lot of losses, but we’re in better shape now with the new CBA and revenue sharing. So the pressure is off for a while.

    (Note: Simon also owns the WNBA’s Indiana Fever, Pacers Gaming and the G-League team, the Fort Wayne Mad Ants).

    How would you describe your ownership style and philosophy? You seem to be hands on without meddling, enthusiastic without being the Clippers’ Steve Ballmer or the Mavericks’ Mark Cuban.

    My ownership style has changed.

    How so?

    In the beginning, I had another business and I was just checking in on it, honestly. It was in very capable hands with Donnie Walsh and (president) Rick (Fuson, who has been with the organization for 35 years). As I got more involved with the league and finally owned the whole team, I became more involved. But as an owner, I’m not a basketball man. I don’t consider myself an expert. I played in the schoolyard as a kid, but never anything beyond that. I still have to make the final decision, but it’s wholly dependent on what the basketball people think. I’ve seen too many times when people (in ownership) think they know basketball. It’s not a science; even the greatest make mistakes. But with Donnie, Larry (Bird) and now Kevin (Pritchard), I feel very comfortable letting them do what they have to do. We haven’t had much turnover here and all three guys are still with us, as a matter of fact.



    Is it safe to assume that owning an NBA team is a whole lot different than owning a mall or real estate?

    Absolutely. When you own a piece of real estate, there’s no real emotion to it. It’s nothing like owning a team. With a team, you’re talking about young men, exciting plays, emotion, great plays up and down the court.

    You seem like an intense fan. You watch very closely without getting wildly emotional.

    I’m not pleasant to be with, that’s why I sit next to Donnie, we both take it seriously.

    What are some of the challenges you face as one of the smaller markets in the NBA?

    Some days, it can be a problem but right now, it’s not a problem. And we don’t want to use it as an excuse. You look at San Antonio, they’re about the same size market as we are, and they’ve had a lot of success. You see what Milwaukee is doing right now. So we have no excuses.

    You would acknowledge, though, that you have to approach team building differently than a large-market team that can lure a Kevin Durant or a Kawhi Leonard.

    Well, sure, there are limitations. But you look at Milwaukee, they did it the right way through the draft. Not that there’s a right way or a wrong way, but they’ve done it the way we try to do it: Through the draft and strategic acquisitions while knowing that maybe we’re not going to get the No. 1 free agent. And when Victor (Oladipo) gets healthy; he’s a better person than he is a basketball player and he’s a pretty good basketball player.

    You’ve paid into the luxury tax before. Are you willing to go that route if your management team comes to you and says, ‘We can get a high-level player who’s going to increase the payroll and possible mean paying the tax?’

    To be honest, the luxury tax is something you don’t want to enter into, especially on a repeating basis because it gets very prohibitive. You’ve got to be creative. There’s always that time when you think you can go for the whole thing, then you think you can go into the tax, but just as a matter of course, we haven’t been faced with it (largely because the Pacers don’t draw big-name free agents). My philosophy is we’ll do what we have to do, but we’ll do it for the right reasons. Not because someone is threatening to leave, and not because we’re afraid of the press because mean guys like you say we won’t spend any money. We don’t care what you guys have to say because you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    Wait, I’ve never criticized you for failing to spend more money.

    I meant that generically. You know, you started out sassy, but I’ve come around to like you (smiling).

    So just to clarify, if Kevin (Pritchard) came to you and said he could get the kind of stud free agent who rarely, if never, comes to Indy, you’ll say …

    Absolutely. If it’s for the right player and for the right reasons, I’ll do it.

    (Note: Oklahoma City’s payroll was more than $145 million and they paid more than $91 million into the luxury tax. They won one more game than the Pacers, who not only had the 25th-ranked payroll in the NBA, but lost Oladipo in the 36th game of the season).

    After the Brawl, you were forced to trade away players like Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson and Jamaal Tinsley. That would have been a perfect time to tank, but the franchise refused to embark on a version of The Process. Management often talks about your distaste for tanking.

    When Donnie was struggling early, we tried to win every game even though we didn’t have a very good team. We never started dumping in order to get higher draft picks. It was never in our DNA and never will be. It’s the one thing I tell them, I want to play to win, not dump. It’s just not the way we do business.

    Does it bother you when a team like Philadelphia adopts a strategy of losing in order to position themselves at the top of the draft?

    It takes a lot to bother me right now (smiling).

    Am I bothering you now?

    No, I told you, you used to be tough on us, but I’ve come around on you.

    What was your takeaway from the four-game playoff loss to the Boston Celtics?

    It’s a sore spot with me. We were ahead in every game. Maybe we were just missing Victor. Don’t get me wrong, I think our team played very hard and very well and we had a chance to win every game, and that’s all you can expect out of them. We didn’t give up at all. I’m very proud of them.

    So much has changed in the NBA during the 36 years you’ve owned the Pacers. What are some of the biggest changes?

    I’d say the biggest thing is the fact it’s more and more international now. I’ve been on the NBA China Board since its inception and we’ve seen that business grow a lot in China and we’re looking in other areas of the world. Basketball along with soccer are now the two universal games. It’s really encouraging to see what’s happening internationally. We had a game in China; did you know there was a Pacers fan club out there? They came in the hotel lobby, a Pacers fans club; we had no idea they existed.

    Is this a good pro basketball town?

    (After a three-second pause): I think we have the enthusiasm here. We still don’t get the income other teams get; we’re still below the league average. But I think we put out a pretty good product – 24 times in the playoffs in 30 years, 30 straight years of winning records at home – and I think people appreciate what we’re doing. I believe that.

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    My philosophy is we’ll do what we have to do, but we’ll do it for the right reasons. Not because someone is threatening to leave, and not because we’re afraid of the press because mean guys like you say we won’t spend any money. We don’t care what you guys have to say because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
    BillS

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...
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      He is just a liar, plain and simple. He ain't losing any money owning the Indiana Pacers. I'm tired of wealthy, manipulative liars like this man. Go pay for your own ****. Btw, 4000 people employed ain't ****, and it doesnt entitle you to steal tax dollars.
      "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"
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        Just a bunch of PR BS, he also acknowledge how soft Kravitz is now just asking him soft questions.

        Bob: "So how hard it is to see all that money in the bank?"

        Simmon: "very hard Bob sometimes my phone doesn't know what to do with all those numbers"


        Bob: "oh man I'm sorry for asking such a hard question" ...
        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!
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          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
          Just a bunch of PR BS, he also acknowledge how soft Kravitz is now just asking him soft questions.

          Bob: "So how hard it is to see all that money in the bank?"

          Simmon: "very hard Bob sometimes my phone doesn't know what to do with all those numbers"


          Bob: "oh man I'm sorry for asking such a hard question" ...

          Lol, I did laugh at this.
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            I’m thankful we have an owner who actually cares about his team and is dedicated to keeping the team in Indianapolis.
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              How many freaking updates does BLF need? The place is immaculate and looks like it opened yesterday. It has everything a fan could want. He says “get it ready for the 21’st century”, but the place already has a massive scoreboard, Led ribbons, a billion concession options, nice gift shops, and pretty much every other way to get people to spend money.

              Also, didn’t we just do like a $160 million dollar deal in 2014 that was supposed to keep them here for years? Now just 5 years later and were doing a $270 million deal to keep them here for 25 years.....except in about 7 years there will be a $500 million deal to keep them here for 30 years, etc etc.

              We can debate how bad things were for the Pacers in the past, but there is no doubt they are absolutely swimming in money under the new CBA and with tax handouts.
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                Really folks ?? Can't you just be appreciative that there's an NBA team in town for you to throw your hissy-fits over ??

                This money they're talking about - hardly any comes out of your pockets. Yeah - maybe an additional .002% tax increase. BFD.

                4,000 people - I can see that. You throw all the organizations together, take into consideration all the people involved - yeah - it's a reasonable number.

                And if you're really tired of it - go buy your own team, lose 7, 8 figures for a few years, turn down better offers because you're a man of your word and let us know how things go.
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                  Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                  Really folks ?? Can't you just be appreciative that there's an NBA team in town for you to throw your hissy-fits over ??

                  This money they're talking about - hardly any comes out of your pockets. Yeah - maybe an additional .002% tax increase. BFD.

                  4,000 people - I can see that. You throw all the organizations together, take into consideration all the people involved - yeah - it's a reasonable number.

                  And if you're really tired of it - go buy your own team, lose 7, 8 figures for a few years, turn down better offers because you're a man of your word and let us know how things go.
                  You're a complete fool and it's not a few bucks a year. Every single one of us pay thousands of dollars in corporate welfare every single year in our income tax bills. Grow a pair of balls and stand up for yourself. Better yet, educate yourself and stop talking out of your backside.

                  Billionaires need to get the **** out of my pocket. Most recent estimates are 100 billion a year spent on corporate subsidies nationwide. Yeah .002% my ***!
                  Last edited by Taterhead; 05-09-2019, 01:15 PM.
                  "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"
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                    Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                    Really folks ?? Can't you just be appreciative that there's an NBA team in town for you to throw your hissy-fits over ??

                    This money they're talking about - hardly any comes out of your pockets. Yeah - maybe an additional .002% tax increase. BFD.

                    4,000 people - I can see that. You throw all the organizations together, take into consideration all the people involved - yeah - it's a reasonable number.

                    And if you're really tired of it - go buy your own team, lose 7, 8 figures for a few years, turn down better offers because you're a man of your word and let us know how things go.
                    It’s a lot of money and there are some valid questions to ask. There’s no doubt the team is raking in the dough now, regardless of what happened in past years. Thankfully Kravitz at least calls out in the article that the team is worth more than 1 Billion. I also call BS on Simon saying the team is worth a lot more in another city as a way of patting himself on the back for staying here? Where are these cities? All of the major markets already have teams - some of them have two. It’s not as if we’d have moved to Chicago or Miami to become a second team there. Also, the Pacers are worth more than some teams in bigger markets like Denver, Atlanta, and Detroit according to the most recent Forbes breakdown.

                    Its also fair to question why The Fieldhouse needs all of these upgrades when it’s already totally up to date and near perfect.

                    I just think that when you’re the city and do these deals, you shouldn’t have to be doing another one just 5 years down the road. Now if we go 25 years without the Pacers wanting anymore money, I won’t say much. But I’d bet money that in about 7 or years, we’ll have to do another one of these deals. In a decade, we’ll probably be hearing about how The Fieldhouse is a 30 year old arena and obsolete, so time for a new one...
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                      I'm not saying there aren't questions to ask. There are. But this is out of the hands of the average citizen. Some things we just have to roll with. Some people just don't/won't accept that.

                      And taterhead - grow TF up. If the best you can do is resort to name calling and just more unintelligible babbling, I feel sorry for you. And your Mom. She probably has a use for the basement space you take up.

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                      • #12
                        Simmon also has the cojones to talk about the team still losing money and stuff, nobody believes that bulls*** and if they are still losing money with all the system set up for people like him to never lose money then he is a worse business man than I thought.

                        Here is a thought maybe putting mediocre team after mediocre team every year might not be the formula to make the profits you are looking for I don't know

                        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                          I don't know
                          Finally. You say something that's right.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                            I'm not saying there aren't questions to ask. There are. But this is out of the hands of the average citizen. Some things we just have to roll with. Some people just don't/won't accept that.

                            And taterhead - grow TF up. If the best you can do is resort to name calling and just more unintelligible babbling, I feel sorry for you. And your Mom. She probably has a use for the basement space you take up.
                            Get a new joke buddy, this is the 2nd time you hit me with your dumbass mom's basement joke.

                            I do better in life than you, I guarantee you that.
                            "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                              Simmon also has the cojones to talk about the team still losing money and stuff, nobody believes that bulls*** and if they are still losing money with all the system set up for people like him to never lose money then he is a worse business man than I thought.

                              Here is a thought maybe putting mediocre team after mediocre team every year might not be the formula to make the profits you are looking for I don't know
                              You know the name is Simon?

                              So you think he is a bad businessman? How would you really know? It is unlikely that you have even a hope of a wish of a dream of understanding 1% of what the man does for a living.

                              Pacers fandom is optional. Folks like yourself who don’t like the owner or the management or the players should choose a different franchise to follow. One that would make you happy. You’re not a Pacers fan.


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