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  • Tacko is coming to town.

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    • Tacko's awesome, good player, better kid. his story is great.

      not an NBA player.

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      • Bol Jr. is a hard pass for me. if we were to buy another pick or something like that I'd be ok with the gamble but that kid's got so far to go physically and then you incorporate the feet, he's just probably not gonna have a long career.

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        • Originally posted by owl View Post
          Nicolas Claxton from Georgia was in for a work out . Very mobile and long and defends on the perimeter really well. 6'10" barefoot with 7'2.5" wingspan and 36"vertical
          Claxton CAN defend on the perimeter but it's a lot of deer in headlights just relying on just guard the ball instincts. like if he gets switched onto a guard and doesn't get attacked immediately he gets pretty confused on what to do. I think he's really good though but it'll probably be well into his 2nd year before he can be a regular roatation guy.

          he'll also be blocked once we extend Domas. Claxton is 101% a 4. I like him a lot but I'd rather not use thee 18th pick on a 3rd/4th big with little chance for more.

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          • Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post

            Claxton CAN defend on the perimeter but it's a lot of deer in headlights just relying on just guard the ball instincts. like if he gets switched onto a guard and doesn't get attacked immediately he gets pretty confused on what to do. I think he's really good though but it'll probably be well into his 2nd year before he can be a regular roatation guy.

            he'll also be blocked once we extend Domas. Claxton is 101% a 4. I like him a lot but I'd rather not use thee 18th pick on a 3rd/4th big with little chance for more.
            I do not believe anyone at 18 is going to be a regular rotation guy in his first year. Someone is being traded of the Leaf, Domas, Myles trifecta. All three are similar in that they are slow footed
            and not athletic. This team needs a new verteran point number one but a huge need is an athletic player at sf or pf spot. Clarke or Claxton or Gafford fit that bill.
            As far as Tacko I would love to see him on the Pacers as a back center for his career to throw in there and muck things up for other teams 10-15 minutes a game.
            Pacers have lots of needs.. I would not mind Windler in the early second round. I would trade Leaf to get another early second rounder.
            The Pacers have a bad mix with those three.

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            • Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
              Tacko's awesome, good player, better kid. his story is great.

              not an NBA player.
              I do not agree at all and apparently so do a lot of NBA teams. At a minimum he would put a lot of people in the seats and be a good back up center.
              Last 7'4" guy Pacers had worked out pretty well for them so why not 7'6" ?
              I want him on the Pacers.
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              • Originally posted by owl View Post

                I do not agree at all and apparently so do a lot of NBA teams. At a minimum he would put a lot of people in the seats and be a good back up center.
                Last 7'4" guy Pacers had worked out pretty well for them so why not 7'6" ?
                I want him on the Pacers.

                The league isnt dominated by big men anymore. It seems to me that our best bet is to stock up on athletic 67 -69 wings.
                Last edited by grewich; 06-04-2019, 07:58 AM.

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                • Originally posted by grewich View Post


                  The league isnt dominated by big men anymore. It seems to me that our best bet is to stock up on athletic 67 -69 wings.
                  That is why I like Okpala and Windler and Clarke at 18. But you still need bigs for defense and also the Pacers bigs are not physical enough.
                  Get Tacko.
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                  • Originally posted by owl View Post

                    I do not believe anyone at 18 is going to be a regular rotation guy in his first year. Someone is being traded of the Leaf, Domas, Myles trifecta. All three are similar in that they are slow footed
                    and not athletic. This team needs a new verteran point number one but a huge need is an athletic player at sf or pf spot. Clarke or Claxton or Gafford fit that bill.
                    As far as Tacko I would love to see him on the Pacers as a back center for his career to throw in there and muck things up for other teams 10-15 minutes a game.
                    Pacers have lots of needs.. I would not mind Windler in the early second round. I would trade Leaf to get another early second rounder.
                    The Pacers have a bad mix with those three.
                    Myles is slow footed? He got praise from Kyrie for his ability to stay in front of perimeter players when left on an island. And Domas, as a center, is not really slow either, as a pf, yes I agree. The problem is, I feel we have three centers in that group. As others have stated, Leaf is probably best suited as a career back-up center. I strongly believe we need to trade one of them, and Domas makes the most sense, however, if the right deal comes along, I could see trading Myles.

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                    • Can anyone tell me anything about John Konchar? The Ringer has him listed near the #50 pick, the Pacer's pick, in the 2nd round. They say he has good analytics, but might not pass the eyeball test. His college was Purdue - FW, so someone might have seen this guy play. Can he be a rotation guy?

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                      • Originally posted by kent beckley View Post

                        Myles is slow footed? He got praise from Kyrie for his ability to stay in front of perimeter players when left on an island. And Domas, as a center, is not really slow either, as a pf, yes I agree. The problem is, I feel we have three centers in that group. As others have stated, Leaf is probably best suited as a career back-up center. I strongly believe we need to trade one of them, and Domas makes the most sense, however, if the right deal comes along, I could see trading Myles.
                        Agreed, Myles is quite quick & light on his feet moving laterally.

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                        • The Pacers will hold their third pre-draft workout in preparation for the 2019 NBA Draft on Wednesday, June 4 at St. Vincent Center.

                          Wednesday's group includes Shizz Alston (Temple), Ky Bowman (Boston College), Tacko Fall (Central Florida), Mfiondu Kabengele (Florida State), Juwan Morgan (Indiana), and Elijah Thomas (Clemson).

                          per Pacers.com
                          "I’m your favorite player’s favorite player. And it’s not enough for me for him to know that. I want the world to know that." -- Michael Beasley

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                          • Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
                            Can anyone tell me anything about John Konchar? The Ringer has him listed near the #50 pick, the Pacer's pick, in the 2nd round. They say he has good analytics, but might not pass the eyeball test. His college was Purdue - FW, so someone might have seen this guy play. Can he be a rotation guy?
                            Video highlights....and stats....and a scouting report

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jA9Gj9SVM



                            https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb...konchar-1.html


                            https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2019/...rt-wayne-guard
                            Last edited by owl; 06-04-2019, 05:28 PM.
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                            • It is about two weeks to draft day and I am starting to get a feel for who I would take at 18. The Pacers will have some very good options at 18. I am going to make my list of preference.
                              It might change but not much I suspect. I am really tired of the Pacers lack of athleticism. I want a player who is very athletic and can defend all over the court and is AGGRESSIVE.
                              So my favorite pick at ...

                              #1 Brandon Clarke
                              This what nbadraft.net says about his outlook...
                              Outlook: Clarke has a lot of potential to be a great defensive player with room to grow on the offensive end ... His ability to defend multiple positions will make him coveted in the league ... He needs to improve his shooting however so that he wont be taken off the floor in certain situations ... Hes projected to be a mid to late first round pick. Any team that picks him will have to be willing to spend the time developing him into the player he can be.

                              His shooting is mostly inside but he can defend at the rim and anywhere on the floor and just dunks on people via offensive rebounds. He is listed as a pf/center.
                              Sign me up yesterday. He can contribute right now.

                              +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

                              My next player I want if Clarke is gone and he may be is another player who also defends well but probably is a better offensive player right now and may take a little more time to contribute
                              but that is what you get at 18. This guy is a pf all day. Not a wanna be center.
                              So my second choice would be ...


                              #2 Nicolas Claxton

                              Has great mobility as a power forward. He is a better version of Myles in that he rebounds very well and blocks shots and can switch onto guards. Has a 7'2.5" wingspan


                              ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

                              As my third choice I choose another player who has the physical gifts to dominate at his position which is shooting guard. He is a longer wingspan than PG at 7' 1.5" and
                              similar height. As my third choice I lover this player for the Pacers. I could very easily have put him number one.
                              At number three I select ....

                              #3 KZ Okpala

                              nbadraft.net says the following..
                              Strengths: Great size and length for a wing (68, 195 pounds) ... Very athletic. Can throw it down with ease ... Explosive athlete ... Dangerous in the open court with the ball ... Has the tools to guard multiple positions on the floor (2-4, maybe some 1s) ... Runs the floor really well in transition ... Handles the rock well ... Very comfortable with the ball in his hands ... Very quick with the ball ... Does a good job using the triple-threat ... Has a bit of an unorthodox shot, but did a good job improving it over the summer ...

                              ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

                              I love the above three players. Others I would be ok with are PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford.
                              Bol Bol probably will be gone and probably just as well as there are questions about his desire and whether is body will hold up.
                              I think I have stated it enough times that people know I want Tacko on the Pacers. He is great player to have as a back up for his career and he is
                              a great dude. Smart and took the challenge of Zion head on stating that Zion was NOT going to posterize him.

                              Get Tacko some how after 18.
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                              • We might be the last team to see a healthy Tacko before the draft. Hopefully his ankle isn't too bad.

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