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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

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  • #46
    Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
    Helluva team win.

    Look, I'm a Pacer fan through and through.... I love this team. But on paper? They aren't supposed to be doing this ****. This team rolls out the league's 5th lowest payroll. It still baffles me that this team currently fields literally no all-stars and is ahead in the standings of teams like Philly, OKC, Houston, Portland, Boston.... teams chock full of all-stars and in some cases MVP-candidates. I think I'm more shocked that those other teams with all of their stars and all-stars isn't ahead of us, and why aren't they? It's maybe a sign that we're better than people think, and an indictment on those teams that they are under-performing. You know? I mean, OKC has PG and Westbrook, two MVP-caliber players... Houston has Harden, CP3... Philly has Embiid, Butler, Simmons, and more.... Boston has Heyward, Irving, Brown, Al, etc..... These are all big-name, big-time players. And we're rolling out with Bogey, Thad, and Collison and Turner. And winning. Lol. I love it.

    And for all of that, we have to give credit where credit is due, because it doesn't happen without it --- Nate and his staff. They have to be considered for some accolades this year. It wasn't like we had a stacked line-up *with* Oladipo, and then you remove our best player and we keep winning? Everyone said we'd drop after Oladipo went down, and yet here we are with what, 12 games left? And we're still 5th in the league. Players and coaches alike are earning their paychecks.
    The Pacers win with teamwork, good team chemistry and good coaching. I really hope the front office can keep this group together for the next few years.
    Go Pacers!

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    • #47
      When Dipo went down, who would have dreamed that we would hold off Philly and Boston for this long? Incredible.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Willbo View Post

        Thad presented Nate with his irresistible force and immovable object moment: what if the person who says Thad shouldn’t go back in...is Thad!? Great leadership and game sense from Thad, such an incredible culture setter.

        Speaking of culture, Wes just fits. He is this team. Come back Wes - this team is perfect for you.
        Yup! Love Thad he is a real leader. At the same time it revealed just how rigid Nate Macmillan is, even after seeing his young big man duo get us back in the game, he was ready to put Thad right back in the mix and probably cost us the game.
        You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
          GIVE. WESLEY. A. CONTRACT.
          I agree, however he came to the Pacers because he could be a starter, that won't happen next year. But can you imagine a 2nd unit with Sabonis and Mathews? Not to mention Leaf and Holiday coming on! I believe the future looks bright for the Pacers!
          Go Pacers!

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          • #50
            It was bad with Dipo, but without Dipo it's painfully obvious our offense is stagnant without Domas as our brilliant point center. Nate is gonna have to figure out a way.
            "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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            • #51
              What a finish!

              I like Matthews intensity and the fact that he can defend other teams top wings. He's a streaky shooter but I can live with that if he defends well. I would like to bring Matthews back next season but, in my opinion, the only way to do that would be to let Bojan walk or trade McDermott (which is fine with me) in order to get Matthews 30 mpg.

              Turner and Sabonis proved they can play together. As Pacerized stated, it's a damn shame Sabonis can't get 30 mpg. In order to do that, we only have to play Turner 30 minutes, let Sabonis back him up for 18 minutes and then play Turner and Sabonis together for 12 minutes. It shouldn't be that tough.

              High praise goes to Thad for going to Nate and telling him to leave Sabonis and Turner in the game together. Maybe in the exit interview this year, Thad will tell Nate to play Turner and Sabonis together more and he would be willing to take a lesser role.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by graphic-er View Post

                I've been saying it all year. Nate is a damn criminal for what he has done to Sabonis. Especially after the Dipo injury. He should be starting next to Myles and let them develop together. We are essentially locked into a top 5 playoff seed, baring an enormous losing streak.

                Nate is actively holding Domas back. As much as I like Thad Young. Domas is a better player. And it looks like the Pacers are going to Brad Miller this thing again.
                We need a love button or multiple like or something to show how strongly we agree with a statement.

                Well said graphic-er! I agree 100%!

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                • #53
                  My impression is Wesley will go wherever he can start. He can likely start here until Vic is ready to go, which certainly may not be before at least December - but assuming no issues with Vic's return Matthews would need to be OK coming off the bench. I could see there being 26 minutes per game for him backing up shooting guards and small forwards.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                    My impression is Wesley will go wherever he can start. He can likely start here until Vic is ready to go, which certainly may not be before at least December - but assuming no issues with Vic's return Matthews would need to be OK coming off the bench. I could see there being 26 minutes per game for him backing up shooting guards and small forwards.
                    I doubt teams will be lining up to sign Matthews as a starter. I think he wants to play for a winning team. Few contending teams would have an open spot for Matthews in their starting lineup. I would expect Wes to come back here next season.
                    Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by imawhat View Post

                      I tell you what though. Those first 46 1/2 minutes from Paul were something special. He also took some really bad shots when we were making our 4th quarter run, but he was playing MVP-level aside from that. He was disruptive on defense and playmaking on offense. It was frustrating that he never played that focused for us. He didn't have any of his 'too cool for school' passes until Darren stole that one at the end.
                      Yeah, he played awesome overall. There were games (I remember one in Portland in particular) where he played like that for us, and we started dreaming how our messiah would take us to the promised land, but those times were more inconsistent. I think having Russell around him has helped with his focus and drive. They are great for each other. I wish him nothing but the best.

                      That said, he totally choked at the end of the game. No OT last night.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post

                        I doubt teams will be lining up to sign Matthews as a starter. I think he wants to play for a winning team. Few contending teams would have an open spot for Matthews in their starting lineup. I would expect Wes to come back here next season.
                        The good news is that he has a past positive relationship with KP and Nate. That may help influence him to stay.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                          It was bad with Dipo, but without Dipo it's painfully obvious our offense is stagnant without Domas as our brilliant point center. Nate is gonna have to figure out a way.
                          Diop brings you scoring when the team hits a drought. We BADLY needed him during the 76ers game. Diop was league leader for clutch shots AND scoring in the 4th quarter before he went down.


                          Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            My impression is Wesley will go wherever he can start. He can likely start here until Vic is ready to go, which certainly may not be before at least December - but assuming no issues with Vic's return Matthews would need to be OK coming off the bench. I could see there being 26 minutes per game for him backing up shooting guards and small forwards.
                            I could see Mathews going to whatever playoff team pay him the most. He's 32 so he probably only has a solid couple of years left in him. I'm sure he knows that he's not a starting shooting guard in the league anymore. The only reason that he came to Indy was because he was guaranteed a starting spot which meant that if he had a good second half of the season he can cash bigger checks next year. I think he has played his with us very well so far, and I hope that we can retain him in the offseason.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                              My impression is Wesley will go wherever he can start. He can likely start here until Vic is ready to go, which certainly may not be before at least December - but assuming no issues with Vic's return Matthews would need to be OK coming off the bench. I could see there being 26 minutes per game for him backing up shooting guards and small forwards.
                              One question I have: is Wesley good enough to where you find a way to start him, even after Vic returns?

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                                My impression is Wesley will go wherever he can start. He can likely start here until Vic is ready to go, which certainly may not be before at least December - but assuming no issues with Vic's return Matthews would need to be OK coming off the bench. I could see there being 26 minutes per game for him backing up shooting guards and small forwards.
                                I really like the idea of keeping Wes for that exact role. In pursuit of any big-time free agent signings, we might be forced to lose Thad and CoJo, so keeping a strong defender with good versatility is a huge bonus, if he's good with a backup role and a contract that matches that role. I'm a big fan of what he brings, and he seems to fit right in here.
                                It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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