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  • Originally posted by kent beckley View Post

    Huh? How did you make that connection? I would say that hanging around with two of the top three teams in the conference for 30 minutes, without our best player is a pretty good argument that says we have a pretty good core and just need to get our guy back and tweak a few things, not start all over.
    It's just my opinion. But the last two games they have played competitive the first half then crumbled in the second half. Unfortunately the league caters to superstars. I like this team. It's a great group of guys. But, the Pacers talent isn't quite where it needs to be to compete at a high level in my opinion.

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    • Originally posted by rimrattler View Post
      Today's game against Philly should be enough to say even with Oladipo the Pacers simply don't have enough talent to compete for a championship. Standing pat with this roster is good enough to make the playoffs and that is it. Every team tries to improve every year and the Pacers should not be any different.
      I think a lot of us knew heading into the season that this team was not good enough to compete for a Championship. The question was how far away are we from competing?


      In my opinion, we should start Victor/Myles/Domas. We need to upgrade the other 2 starters and improve our bench. I know Bogey has played pretty well, but I think we need more length and athleticism in the starting lineup. I don't know who we get or how we get them, but I think that is something we need to address.

      I think Aaron Holiday will be a good back up next season. He will have experience from this year plus the summer to work on his game. He will give us a small, quick guard off the bench to help us match up with guys like Kemba Walker when necessary. I think Leaf has improved and will continue to improve. I thin he will be a decent back up PF for us. The remaining 3 back ups need upgrading, unfortunately we are stuck with McDermott for another 2 years.


      If we bring back essentially the same team next year, I will be disappointed. That will be saying that our goal is simply to make it to the 2nd round of the playoffs...which would not be a guarantee by any means.

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      • Originally posted by rimrattler View Post

        It's just my opinion. But the last two games they have played competitive the first half then crumbled in the second half. Unfortunately the league caters to superstars. I like this team. It's a great group of guys. But, the Pacers talent isn't quite where it needs to be to compete at a high level in my opinion.
        Teams wear out when they all have to step up to make up for a missing star. Falling apart in the second half is a strong indicator that the talent is there but the stamina is not.
        BillS

        A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
        Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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        • Just wondering what you all would have preferred last Summer & whether or not you think we can do something this Summer that'll be similar.

          What I'm referring to is the contract that Chicago gave Jabari Parker (2yr - $40mil with a team option 2nd year). Obviously that is essentially a 1yr-$20mil contract. Now what we did with our $20mil was sign Tyreke Evans & Doug McDermott (3yrs not looking ideal, but I could see a team still wanting him).

          So I am asking is would you guys have preferred throwing that $20mil at Parker (or Julius Randle for that matter) than signing Evans & McDermott???
          Is there a young guy who would probably benefit from a change this coming Summer that we could throw a bigger contract for a shorter time?

          The only guy that comes to my mind is Terry Rozier, but I feel we will be seeing him stay in Boston as I don't expect Irving to stay.
          A lot of the younger more available players out there tend to be big men like Julius Randle (I'm huge fan of his), Bobby Portis & Trey Lyles not sure if we need them or not. I wouldn't hate a 3 big rotation of Turner/Randle/Sabonis, but I think Young will be back.
          Last edited by festar35; 03-11-2019, 08:28 PM.

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          • Originally posted by BillS View Post

            Teams wear out when they all have to step up to make up for a missing star. Falling apart in the second half is a strong indicator that the talent is there but the stamina is not.
            I could be mistaken, but I think the Pacers have only beaten 2 playoff teams since December 16th. One of those were the Clippers. Part of that is due to the scheduling. I'm not sure what we can do to improve this roster, but we can't stand pat.

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            • Originally posted by rimrattler View Post

              I could be mistaken, but I think the Pacers have only beaten 2 playoff teams since December 16th. One of those were the Clippers. Part of that is due to the scheduling. I'm not sure what we can do to improve this roster, but we can't stand pat.
              Lol, yeah you are mistaken.

              I see
              Brooklyn
              Detroit
              Toronto
              Miami
              LAC

              and we beat Charlotte twice who recently fell to 9th.


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              • Originally posted by kent beckley View Post

                Lol, yeah you are mistaken.

                I see
                Brooklyn
                Detroit
                Toronto
                Miami
                LAC

                and we beat Charlotte twice who recently fell to 9th.

                I stand corrected lol,

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                • Originally posted by festar35 View Post
                  Just wondering what you all would have preferred last Summer & whether or not you think we can do something this Summer that'll be similar.

                  What I'm referring to is the contract that Chicago gave Jabari Parker (2yr - $40mil with a team option 2nd year). Obviously that is essentially a 1yr-$20mil contract. Now what we did with our $20mil was sign Tyreke Evans & Doug McDermott (3yrs not looking ideal, but I could see a team still wanting him).

                  So I am asking is would you guys have preferred throwing that $20mil at Parker (or Julius Randle for that matter) than signing Evans & McDermott???
                  Is there a young guy who would probably benefit from a change this coming Summer that we could throw a bigger contract for a shorter time?

                  The only guy that comes to my mind is Terry Rozier, but I feel we will be seeing him stay in Boston as I don't expect Irving to stay.
                  A lot of the younger more available players out there tend to be big men like Julius Randle (I'm huge fan of his), Bobby Portis & Trey Lyles not sure if we need them or not. I wouldn't hate a 3 big rotation of Turner/Randle/Sabonis, but I think Young will be back.
                  Im still perfectly fine with the dollar amount and length of the McDermott deal. I think that deal is easily tradable. Tyreke was a bust, but the deal made sense at the time. If Tyreke puts up comparable numbers to last year this team is probably fighting for 1st place in the East even w/o Vic.

                  Id have to say no on Rozier. Like the guy, but he just cant shoot for ****.

                  Jabari is another no. The guys terrible. Im ashamed to be one of the few people here that was willing to roll the dice on him last summer.

                  Id consider Randle on a short deal if we let Thad walk. The Pelicans fans arent very high on him though despite the nice numbers. Sounds like his defense is trash and b-ball IQ might not be top notch.

                  Someomebody mentioned Mudiay, I think hes worth a look. Maybe Alan Crabbe to see if he can regain his Portland form. Jeremy Lamb is unrestricted and still pretty young. Id look at him for the backup SG/SF if the money was right. Of course, Id bring Lance back too. And if Dragic ever gets healthy, he might be a good option at point next to Vic on a short prove it deal.





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                  • Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post

                    Im still perfectly fine with the dollar amount and length of the McDermott deal. I think that deal is easily tradable. Tyreke was a bust, but the deal made sense at the time. If Tyreke puts up comparable numbers to last year this team is probably fighting for 1st place in the East even w/o Vic.

                    Id have to say no on Rozier. Like the guy, but he just cant shoot for ****.

                    Jabari is another no. The guys terrible. Im ashamed to be one of the few people here that was willing to roll the dice on him last summer.

                    Id consider Randle on a short deal if we let Thad walk. The Pelicans fans arent very high on him though despite the nice numbers. Sounds like his defense is trash and b-ball IQ might not be top notch.

                    Someomebody mentioned Mudiay, I think hes worth a look. Maybe Alan Crabbe to see if he can regain his Portland form. Jeremy Lamb is unrestricted and still pretty young. Id look at him for the backup SG/SF if the money was right. Of course, Id bring Lance back too. And if Dragic ever gets healthy, he might be a good option at point next to Vic on a short prove it deal.




                    That was me that mentioned Mudiay as well. I just think no big time free agent is coming here, but there is no reason we cant evaluate some young talent & see what it turns into.
                    I'm ok with the McDermott money, but not so much the fit. He does play well when Sabonis is out there to pass him the ball though.

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                    • Originally posted by festar35 View Post
                      Just wondering what you all would have preferred last Summer & whether or not you think we can do something this Summer that'll be similar.

                      What I'm referring to is the contract that Chicago gave Jabari Parker (2yr - $40mil with a team option 2nd year). Obviously that is essentially a 1yr-$20mil contract. Now what we did with our $20mil was sign Tyreke Evans & Doug McDermott (3yrs not looking ideal, but I could see a team still wanting him).

                      So I am asking is would you guys have preferred throwing that $20mil at Parker (or Julius Randle for that matter) than signing Evans & McDermott???
                      Is there a young guy who would probably benefit from a change this coming Summer that we could throw a bigger contract for a shorter time?

                      The only guy that comes to my mind is Terry Rozier, but I feel we will be seeing him stay in Boston as I don't expect Irving to stay.
                      A lot of the younger more available players out there tend to be big men like Julius Randle (I'm huge fan of his), Bobby Portis & Trey Lyles not sure if we need them or not. I wouldn't hate a 3 big rotation of Turner/Randle/Sabonis, but I think Young will be back.
                      I have absolutely no problems with last years free agency. The way the contracts were setup last summer was never really the summer to spend money, and it was obvious from the beginning. I think Pritchard took the right approach. Take a flyer on Tyreke, and see if he can propel the team to the top of the East. Worst case scenario he is gone after a single season.

                      I still think McDermot can be a useful player, but he just doesn't fit with the current players and system.

                      Really, the only thing I have had a problem with was extending McMillian.

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                      • I'm beginning to think that KP will want to keep Bojan, Thad and one of CoJo or DC and then spend whatever FA $$$ left on whatever Role Player that we can get on the Free Agent Market.

                        My preference is just Bojan and Thad, push Holiday to replace DC/CoJo in the Backup PG spot, draft a future replacement for O'Quinn and then go after a new Starting PG with whatever Free Agent $$$ we have left.
                        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                        • Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                          I'm beginning to think that KP will want to keep Bojan, Thad and one of CoJo or DC and then spend whatever FA $$$ left on whatever Role Player that we can get on the Free Agent Market.

                          My preference is just Bojan and Thad, push Holiday to replace DC/CoJo in the Backup PG spot, draft a future replacement for O'Quinn and then go after a new Starting PG with whatever Free Agent $$$ we have left.
                          Yup I would call this a pretty good off-season. My ideal rotation for next season:
                          C. Sabonis
                          PF. Turner - He plays like a PF, work on perimeter D.
                          SF. Bogdanovic
                          SG. Oladipo
                          PG. Mudiay or Rozier - Hopefully someone young who has some potential to fill out.

                          Joseph
                          Young
                          McDermott
                          Holiday
                          Leaf

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                          • Originally posted by festar35 View Post

                            Yup I would call this a pretty good off-season. My ideal rotation for next season:
                            C. Sabonis
                            PF. Turner - He plays like a PF, work on perimeter D.
                            SF. Bogdanovic
                            SG. Oladipo
                            PG. Mudiay or Rozier - Hopefully someone young who has some potential to fill out.

                            Joseph
                            Young
                            McDermott
                            Holiday
                            Leaf
                            I could live with this. Although I still don't think it's enough star power to be legit contenders. Unless of course one or more of Sabonis, Turner, the PG options make massive leaps. I suppose they could, but they also may never. Plus you're depending more on Holiday and Leaf. Would be interested to see how that 2nd unit does with a little time to establish themselves.
                            I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                            -Emiliano Zapata

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                            • Originally posted by festar35 View Post

                              Yup I would call this a pretty good off-season. My ideal rotation for next season:
                              C. Sabonis
                              PF. Turner - He plays like a PF, work on perimeter D.
                              SF. Bogdanovic
                              SG. Oladipo
                              PG. Mudiay or Rozier - Hopefully someone young who has some potential to fill out.

                              Joseph
                              Young
                              McDermott
                              Holiday
                              Leaf
                              As long as Thad is on the team, he will start and Nate will continue to play Myles and Domas together for limited minutes. The only way for Domas and Myles to play together is to let Thad walk.

                              Mudiay is a career 31.8% three point shooter. Not the ideal player to play along side of Vic. Vic could penetrate and dish out to Mudiay...a 31.8% shooter? Defenses will really be able to sag off.

                              Rozier is 6'1". I'm tired of having an undersized back court. We already have an undersized SG, we don't need to compound the problem with an undersized PG, especially one that isn't a very good shooter. Rozier is a career 38% shooter from the field and 35.6% from three. I don't understand everyone's infatuation with him.

                              In my opinion, our first option should be trying to get Jrue Holiday (unless we can get Washington's GM drunk and get him to give up Beal). There were rumors that New Orleans was considering trading him at the deadline and then they backed off. They will trade Davis and most likely get some young assets, maybe they will move Jrue as well and try a rebuild with younger players and picks.

                              Plan B should be Kemba. I know he is only 6'1" but he is an all-star and since we can't get an all-star or near all-star with size, I think we should consider him...but after we find out about Jrue.
                              Last edited by sav; 03-12-2019, 11:01 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by sav View Post

                                As long as Thad is on the team, he will start and Nate will continue to play Myles and Domas together for limited minutes. The only way for Domas and Myles to play together is to let Thad walk.

                                Mudiay is a career 31.8% three point shooter. Not the ideal player to play along side of Vic. Vic could penetrate and dish out to Mudiay...a 31.8% shooter? Defenses will really be able to sag off.

                                Rozier is 6'1". I'm tired of having an undersized back court. We already have an undersized SG, we don't need to compound the problem with an undersized PG, especially one that isn't a very good shooter. Rozier is a career 38% shooter from the field and 35.6% from three. I don't understand everyone's infatuation with him.

                                In my opinion, our first option should be trying to get Jrue Holiday (unless we can get Washington's GM drunk and get him to give up Beal). There were rumors that New Orleans was considering trading him at the deadline and then they backed off. They will trade Davis and most likely get some young assets, maybe they will move Jrue as well and try a rebuild with younger players and picks.

                                Plan B should be Kemba. I know he is only 6'1" but he is an all-star and since we can't get an all-star or near all-star with size, I think we should consider him...but after we find out about Jrue.
                                I think plan A should be Brogdon, plan B should be Jrue. If those dont pan out, bring back Cojo to start.

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