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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • #16
    I don't think it will be possible to bring everyone back. Tyreke shouldn't be brought back. A team will over pay for someone out of desperation in my opinion(Cojo?). I just hope KP can find a trade or free agent signing that can improve the team over all.

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    • #17
      Pacers could have room to sign 1 max free agent and keep both Thad and Bogey but one or both of them would have to take a slight paycut. There are only two max free agents that I believe would even give an ounce of thought to coming here. The first would be Kemba but I'd bet on him staying in Charlotte. The second being Jimmy Butler if things get bumpy in Philly and they get a quick exit in the playoffs. Any chance the Pacers had at 2 max contracts was killed when Turner signed his extension. The plan would have been to hang onto Turner's low cap hold then sign him. However, then you would have run the risk of paying him more since his play has been on another level lately so it was the best decision to extend him. Using Turner or Domas and Holiday as trade pieces for a player like Anthony Davis for example then trying to lure a max free agent here seems like the only way they could go "all out".

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      • #18
        If we added Kemba we would be a real threat to win the ECF, especially with all the possible turnover potentially in the conference. All 4 of the so called “elite” teams in the east could look a lot different next year if they’re unable to re-sign their star players which is looking more and more likely the longer we sit in 3rd place .

        edit: next year would we have enough space over the cap to extend Domas if we added a max deal?
        Last edited by CJ Jones; 02-25-2019, 12:31 AM.

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        • #19
          We would be way over the tax cap if we implemented everyone's cap holds.

          According to https://www.spotrac.com/nba/indiana-pacers/cap/2019/

          We would be at around $148 million with the tax cap at $132 million. Even if we used cap holds on our 3 FA starters, we would be around $106 million. The only way we can take advantage of our salary space is to renounce all or nearly all of our FA's. We could hang on to Bogey and Matthews (if he is willing to come back as a reserve). That would put us around $75 million and give us enough money to sign a max player.

          The other way to get a star player would be via trade and I'm not very enthused about giving up Sabonis.

          I think we will bring back a lot of our players but like I said earlier, we would be way over the cap if we brought many of them back.

          To answer the question about what it would take to bring them back, I think Bogey is pretty much a lock. If we make it to the second round, I will look at keeping Matthews...if he wants to stay at a reasonable price. The ECF is when I start thinking about bringing back Thad, but I am renouncing his rights no matter what.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

            Yes, in order for me to believe we should bring everyone back they need to prove they are capable of winning a championship next year when Oladipo returns. That is what it will take to prove this group will be able to win a championship next year with Oladipo without any upgrades. Thad and DC are no spring chickens, and Bojan is not far behind. The window for this group is not very big.
            My point is that the bar you set is more appropriate to having your best player and missing one of your top role players. To get to the 7th game of the ECF without Dipo kind of implies he is more of a missing piece than he is the prime mover.

            I mean, it's not wrong - certainly if they get to ECF 7th game then one would think adding Dipo back in is almost a guaranteed Finals berth (unless it is due to injury to Toronto or Philly). But I think there is a lower level of playoff performance (for example, just reaching the ECF because we will have to beat one of the Nemesis Four to do it) that justifies keeping everyone.

            I think there are still a couple of expendable players we should be able to use to upgrade the point, but I think most people would count a single-level improvement at one position the moral equivalent of standing pat.
            BillS

            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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            • #21
              Originally posted by BillS View Post

              My point is that the bar you set is more appropriate to having your best player and missing one of your top role players. To get to the 7th game of the ECF without Dipo kind of implies he is more of a missing piece than he is the prime mover.

              I mean, it's not wrong - certainly if they get to ECF 7th game then one would think adding Dipo back in is almost a guaranteed Finals berth (unless it is due to injury to Toronto or Philly). But I think there is a lower level of playoff performance (for example, just reaching the ECF because we will have to beat one of the Nemesis Four to do it) that justifies keeping everyone.

              I think there are still a couple of expendable players we should be able to use to upgrade the point, but I think most people would count a single-level improvement at one position the moral equivalent of standing pat.
              I think this team will need 3 all-star level talents in order to compete in this current NBA milieu. Truth is, that consolidation of talent has been happening for a while now. So the question becomes, how can we add that piece? Are those three pieces Oladipo, Turner, and Sabonis? Is it Bogie? I think the more likely scenario is that it's a new player, but that's just my instincts.

              All of that said, I love this team and what it brings... but I want more than a moral victory. I want to see a true shot at the NBA finals!

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              • #22
                Bring back Thad for defense. Bring back Bogdanovic for secondary scoring option/3 point shooter. If either DC or Corey Joseph are starting next season, fire KP immediately. Must upgrade the PG position at all costs.
                Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                • #23
                  Kemba might stay in Charlotte just for the huge money, but in doing so his shot at being a winner is done. This dude won a national championship in college and is supposedly competitive as hell. I think he comes to Indiana where he can still be a focal point of the offense along side Oladipo. If he went to another team with a bigger star, his role will change alot.

                  Its a very real possibility that they miss the playoffs this year. Or they make it as the 8th seed and get swept by the Bucks. Who would resign with that team? They capped out next season as well. So no help coming in Charlotte. I don't think he fits in the Hornets rebuild timeframe. I mean you paying one guy 30 million for the next 5 years and you continually finish just out side the playoffs every year. They actually need a solid year of just being bad to reset the on a proper timeline to go along with all these young players they have.
                  You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                  • #24
                    I'd like to see Bogey back. I'd like Thad back as well, but as a much reduced contract. 10million per. He will start showing his age soon.

                    Sabonis, If they don't start him at the 4....I'd honestly think about moving him for a top ten draft pick this summer. I could easily see the Suns trading their lottery pick for him. They have a bunch of young talent and Sabonis would change their team immediately.
                    You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                    • #25
                      I don't think there is any scenario where I would want the exact team to be brought back for another run barring a trip to the Finals. I would like to see a few of the same players return to keep some continuity but I have enough confidence in Nate and the rest of the scouting staff to be able to implement another All-Star level player into the lineup. The way that they've seamlessly integrated Wes Matthews into the starting lineup 2/3rd of the way through the season is proof of that.

                      The plan should be to take 3-4 of the free agents and use their cap space for a great replacement player. The Pacers have NEVER had this much cap-space potential. It would be a major disappointment to not use it on at least adding 1 in his prime All-Star player. You gotta go get Kemba Walker if he's available. He's been rumored in trades in connection with the Pacers the past 2 seasons. Make that happen and bring back Bogey, Thad and I think we'll be contenders next season.


                      Last edited by naptownmenace; 02-25-2019, 01:28 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
                        You gotta go get Kemba Walker if he's available. He's been rumored in trades in connection with the Pacers the past 2 seasons. Make that happen and bring back Bogey, Thad and I think we'll be contenders next season.
                        We can not afford Kemba, Thad and Bogey.

                        At the beginning of Free Agency we will have 8 players under contract at around $60 million. Bogey's cap hold is just under $14 million and Thad is just over $20 million. That would put us at $94 million with the cap being $109 million. Kemba won't sign for $15 million.

                        If we renounce Thad and sign Kemba at he max ($32.7 million for him) that will put us around $108 million. No room to sign Thad.

                        If we renounce Bogey and keep Thad's cap hold, we will not have room to sign Kemba.

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                        • #27
                          If they won the title. That should be the goal and the only reason you ever sit on your hands.

                          We dont pay to watch guys get along.
                          "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by sav View Post

                            We can not afford Kemba, Thad and Bogey.

                            At the beginning of Free Agency we will have 8 players under contract at around $60 million. Bogey's cap hold is just under $14 million and Thad is just over $20 million. That would put us at $94 million with the cap being $109 million. Kemba won't sign for $15 million.

                            If we renounce Thad and sign Kemba at he max ($32.7 million for him) that will put us around $108 million. No room to sign Thad.

                            If we renounce Bogey and keep Thad's cap hold, we will not have room to sign Kemba.
                            They could probably get there if they were able to unload McDermot's contract to a team under the cap at the draft?
                            You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by sav View Post

                              We can not afford Kemba, Thad and Bogey.

                              At the beginning of Free Agency we will have 8 players under contract at around $60 million. Bogey's cap hold is just under $14 million and Thad is just over $20 million. That would put us at $94 million with the cap being $109 million. Kemba won't sign for $15 million.

                              If we renounce Thad and sign Kemba at he max ($32.7 million for him) that will put us around $108 million. No room to sign Thad.

                              If we renounce Bogey and keep Thad's cap hold, we will not have room to sign Kemba.
                              Would Thad take the mid-level exception? It’s projected to be over 9 mil next year. Or is that even an option?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by graphic-er View Post

                                They could probably get there if they were able to unload McDermot's contract to a team under the cap at the draft?
                                No, unfortunately not. They would probably have to dump every single player on the roster besides Oladipo, Turner, and Sabonis in that scenario and also dump their first round pick. If they did all that, they could probably sign Thad to a 10-11 million dollar deal, then sign Kemba, then sign Bogey. But even the small contracts of Leaf and Holiday eat away about 3.3 extra million which would make Thad's salary untenable at that point.

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