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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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    Just thinking about some things to spark a little discussion: First, should Domas start instead of Myles? And why don't we have another All-Star? I'm thinking Herb Simon is dead set on being mediocre forever. Did Paul George treat the franchise well by demanding a trade? We won five in a row without Dipo. Should we keep him? I'm of the opinion Jamaal Tinsley was a great locker room guy. He did all the little things, and was a great team defender as well. Is Lance Stephenson the greatest Pacer ever?
    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference


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    Domas start over Myles?
    Nope! There is some advance metrics out there that says while the Pacers offense is 12th with Myles off the the court and like 17th with him on the court. The eyeball test tells you it’s a damn layup line. I don’t think Domas has shown the defensive ability to start at the 5. They are also still a net minus when both are in the game together, but let’s be real. That is Nate offense which is too guard heavy and not enough usage for the bigs.
    You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
      Just thinking about some things to spark a little discussion: First, should Domas start instead of Myles? And why don't we have another All-Star? I'm thinking Herb Simon is dead set on being mediocre forever. Did Paul George treat the franchise well by demanding a trade? We won five in a row without Dipo. Should we keep him? I'm of the opinion Jamaal Tinsley was a great locker room guy. He did all the little things, and was a great team defender as well. Is Lance Stephenson the greatest Pacer ever?
      How many times were you dropped on your head as a child?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
        Domas start over Myles?
        Nope! There is some advance metrics out there that says while the Pacers offense is 12th with Myles off the the court and like 17th with him on the court. The eyeball test tells you it’s a damn layup line. I don’t think Domas has shown the defensive ability to start at the 5. They are also still a net minus when both are in the game together, but let’s be real. That is Nate offense which is too guard heavy and not enough usage for the bigs.
        "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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        • #5
          The way Paul George is playing with Westbrook is absolute proof that the Pacers front office have been derelict at their jobs, and the owner has probably been the root cause of it too. All we heard during the entire PG era was "we have budget around here" and "i'm gonna go talk to herbie about how much money he is going to give me to spend this year" They have always hired cheap coaches and never once tried to go out and get top coach who can get a great offense together. The way this league is trending the Pacers could end up getting lapped by the rest of the Eastern Conference in talent, and so what will happen on the last year of Oladipo's contract when he is the only all-star player in a Pacers uniform and has nobody else to share the load with? He too will request a trade just like Paul George did. Paul absolutely treated the franchise well, maybe not with timing but you know he had a meeting with KP and they talked about the future of the franchise and who they wanted to target, and 2 days later Paul openly requests a trade. Paul was hoping KP would have had a change in philosophy about the type of players they want to sign, and spending big. And he found out that with KP it was going to more of the same. Now look at him, he is playing with a guy who is 1st team all NBA,leads the league in assists and his name is seriously considered for MVP. Oh and he is in a smaller market than Indianapolis to boot. Just read between the lines with this Paul George saga. Pacers handcuffed themselves when it comes to building a team. OKC took real chances. They lost arguably the best player in the league when they were in win now mode, they were mediocre for a year and then traded for a legit 2 way player just like Russ. They were in a worse situation than the Pacers after losing Durant. They got aggressive and were determined to get back to glory.

          Pacers just ho hum along every offseason thinking that hitting singles is the key to victory. Pacers will have +50 million in cap space this off-season, and instead of going big game hunting they are going resign bogey and Thad and be left with about 10-15 million which they will use to over pay some end of the bench guy like McBrick it.

          They will have another successful season, and many on here will be all happy about it. But deep down everyone knows the Pacers front office lack the balls it takes to really go for a championship. Simon can't stomach the idea of paying one player 30 Million a year.
          Last edited by graphic-er; 02-18-2019, 06:11 PM.
          You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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          • #6
            What are you trying to start with that Tinsley being a great locker room guy? He was great at arranging trips to the club and eating chicken fingers in the locker room. He had some good moments on the court but you need to slap yourself for that one.

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            • #7
              Pretty much all of the lead discussion is, in my opinion, wrong. Except about Paul George, glad he's gone.

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              • #8
                1) Should Domas start instead of Myles?

                No. If the Pacers had different pieces around Domas, I would say start him. But for various reasons, particularly personnel, Myles probably needs to start.

                2) Why don't we have another All-Star?

                This is Indiana, not the coast. Also, we are not a risk taking type of franchise so you are going to get good rather than great most of the time.

                3) Did Paul George treat the franchise well by demanding a trade?

                No. He did put in some time and the Pacers let him down. But he slid out of here like the snake he is because he has zero character. He should have been upfront, but that's not what snakes do. They stab you in the back or bite your heel.

                4) We won five in a row without Dipo. Should we keep him?

                Dipo should be on the trading block so that someone else deals with what is likely to be a Granger-like ending to his career.

                5) I'm of the opinion Jamaal Tinsley was a great locker room guy. He did all the little things, and was a great team defender as well.

                What are you smoking? I liked Tinman, but that's not the Tinman I knew.

                6) Is Lance Stephenson the greatest Pacer ever?

                Need we even ask this question? Of course he is...and he will be back. Third time's a charm.
                Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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                • #9
                  Metrics cannot account for who the other other team has out on the floor. So who knows how Domas against starters and the team would fare as far as wins and losses.

                  I am not sure what makes you think Tinsley was a positive locker room influence? Was he leading the way by threatening his teamates??
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by owl View Post
                    I am not sure what makes you think Tinsley was a positive locker room influence?
                    Maybe he meant TESTING positive . . . .

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                    • #11
                      Durant and James.....together next year...book it.
                      {o,o}
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                        And why don't we have another All-Star?
                        Because who outside of Indiana is going to vote for an Indiana player not named Oladipo? There are solid arguments to be made that Bojan, Myles, or Sabonis deserve to be an All-Star, but Indiana just doesn't have the population to get them the attention they deserve.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

                          Because who outside of Indiana is going to vote for an Indiana player not named Oladipo? There are solid arguments to be made that Bojan, Myles, or Sabonis deserve to be an All-Star, but Indiana just doesn't have the population to get them the attention they deserve.
                          Which is completely the opposite of the NFL. The NFL promotes teams. The NBA promotes individuals. Smaller market teams all get exposure on a regular basis. EVERYONE plays on Monday Night Football. EVERYONE plays on Thursday & Sunday nights. Sure the NBA commits to showing each team once on National TV, but it's 16 games vs 82 games. Those are token appearances because they 'have to'.

                          3rd place in the East and nobody outside of Indiana has any clue as to how good they are. But they all know how much of a dumpster fire the Knicks are. They're all goo-goo over Anthony Davis who has led his team to a losing record. LeBron & the Lakers ?? Even non-NBA fans know about them. NBA vs NFL. Individual marketing vs team marketing. A lot of the blame for the small market issue lie directly with the NBA itself. NOT the cities.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by PacerDude View Post

                            Which is completely the opposite of the NFL. The NFL promotes teams. The NBA promotes individuals. Smaller market teams all get exposure on a regular basis. EVERYONE plays on Monday Night Football. EVERYONE plays on Thursday & Sunday nights. Sure the NBA commits to showing each team once on National TV, but it's 16 games vs 82 games. Those are token appearances because they 'have to'.

                            3rd place in the East and nobody outside of Indiana has any clue as to how good they are. But they all know how much of a dumpster fire the Knicks are. They're all goo-goo over Anthony Davis who has led his team to a losing record. LeBron & the Lakers ?? Even non-NBA fans know about them. NBA vs NFL. Individual marketing vs team marketing. A lot of the blame for the small market issue lie directly with the NBA itself. NOT the cities.
                            The NFL doesn't really market teams who are 125 to 1 to win the title either. It's just in the NFL those are only the worst teams in the league, while in the NBA those are actually good teams. If the NBA played 1 game per round of the playoffs, the Pacers would get a lot more attention than they do.

                            As for your examples, from the coverage I've listened to, the only time the Knicks were talked about all season was during the Porzingis trade. AD has been talked about potentially leaving all season because he could transform the next team he goes to into a contender (something that doesn't really happen in the NFL). And yup, you pair the most famous player on the most famous team in the league and they are going to be talked about a ton regardless of their record, especially when LeBron's teams have suddenly found another gear in the playoffs a couple of times.

                            Do I think the NBA markets individuals more? Absolutely, of course. But I don't think it's as simple as just a choice that the league has made. The entire structure of the league suggests that marketing teams would not work nearly as well as it does in the NFL.

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                            • #15
                              You all need to get a sense of humor.


                              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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