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Myles Turner is the greatest shot blocker in Pacers history

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  • #16
    I love me some Domas, but let's face it, Turner grew up in PAL and AAU and whatever, and then the coaching disaster he went through for a year at Texas, while Domas was in the driveway getting daily lessons from Arvydas, one of the greatest big men of all time... of course he was going to be a little further along quicker. I always felt like Domas was almost NBA-ready early on, while Myles had work to do but was more of a "unicorn" in terms of the potential, we just had/have to be patient. I still think Myles has more to show us. Having both players is such a blessing, in their own ways. I really think we're looking at the best front-court in the league in a year or two. I honestly feel like the only thing holding up the pairing as starters is Domas' defense in comparison to Thad. If he can close that gap in the coming year or two and Thad starts to age, that transition will occur.

    All things mapped out, I think we're looking at a matured Holiday at PG, Dipo, Bogey, Domas, and Myles starting unit in the next year or two and that will be a helluva lineup.
    Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 02-08-2019, 02:22 PM.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
      I love me some Domas, but let's face it, Turner grew up in PAL and AAU and whatever, and then the coaching disaster he went through for a year at Texas, while Domas was in the driveway getting daily lessons from Arvydas, one of the greatest big men of all time... of course he was going to be a little further along quicker. I always felt like Domas was almost NBA-ready early on, while Myles had work to do but was more of a "unicorn" in terms of the potential, we just had/have to be patient. I still think Myles has more to show us. Having both players is such a blessing, in their own ways. I really think we're looking at the best front-court in the league in a year or two. I honestly feel like the only thing holding up the pairing as starters is Domas' defense in comparison to Thad. If he can close that gap in the coming year or two and Thad starts to age, that transition will occur.

      All things mapped out, I think we're looking at a matured Holiday at PG, Dipo, Bogey, Domas, and Myles starting unit in the next year or two and that will be a helluva lineup.
      Myles has come a long way since the start of this season, and I expect him to continue putting in the work in the offseason to improve even more. He's finally realized his own potential and begun to really own it. His confidence right now is just skyrocketing, and I think it'll continue to do so, and he'll keep pushing forward.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
        I love me some Domas, but let's face it, Turner grew up in PAL and AAU and whatever, and then the coaching disaster he went through for a year at Texas, while Domas was in the driveway getting daily lessons from Arvydas, one of the greatest big men of all time... of course he was going to be a little further along quicker. I always felt like Domas was almost NBA-ready early on, while Myles had work to do but was more of a "unicorn" in terms of the potential, we just had/have to be patient. I still think Myles has more to show us. Having both players is such a blessing, in their own ways. I really think we're looking at the best front-court in the league in a year or two. I honestly feel like the only thing holding up the pairing as starters is Domas' defense in comparison to Thad. If he can close that gap in the coming year or two and Thad starts to age, that transition will occur.

        All things mapped out, I think we're looking at a matured Holiday at PG, Dipo, Bogey, Domas, and Myles starting unit in the next year or two and that will be a helluva lineup.
        https://newsok.com/article/5540039/t...-famous-father

        There are several other articles that say the same thing. While I am sure that Arvydas played a role in his development, it is clearly stated that he did not coach his son in basketball and in fact remained very hands off because he did not want to influence him in future choices.

        Domantas got to where he is because of his hard work and physical ability.


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        • #19
          Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
          I honestly feel like the only thing holding up the pairing as starters is Domas' defense in comparison to Thad. If he can close that gap in the coming year or two and Thad starts to age, that transition will occur.
          .
          This would be no small feat. In fact, I'd say it's impossible for Domas to reach Thad's defensive ability. He might be able to become decent at defending fours. That's it. If we went this route, I'm wondering if we'd need to pick up an all world defensive 3/4 to make it work.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Peck View Post
            Domantas got to where he is because of his hard work and physical ability.
            With an assist from DNA.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by PacerDude View Post

              With an assist from DNA.
              Sure, but can't that be said about all NBA players?


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              • #22
                Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                It looks to me like he's also getting calls going his way now (fouls not being called when he makes a block and there's some contact), because his reputation now precedes him.
                I can see that. What is a problem though is Embiid and his size forcing Myles to foul him. Will Nate bring in another big along side of Myles? Domas or Kyle because those are only options available.
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                • #23
                  And as I have said before Myles can do the exact same workout this next off season with yoga a big part. I think it has really helped with his core strength and movement, coordination and timing which is directly tied to his shot blocking ability.
                  Asking him to bulk up is a sure way to ruin him
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Peck View Post

                    https://newsok.com/article/5540039/t...-famous-father

                    There are several other articles that say the same thing. While I am sure that Arvydas played a role in his development, it is clearly stated that he did not coach his son in basketball and in fact remained very hands off because he did not want to influence him in future choices.

                    Domantas got to where he is because of his hard work and physical ability.
                    I seriously doubt these two never squared off or in the least Arvydas didn't give him some verbal lessons. There's no doubt Domas has worked hard, but he also had a legendary post player under the same roof. It's a factor, lol.

                    Also, don't know if you had kids go through athletics, but I do, and I hear this same statement all the time from the other dads who I know from personal observation are extremely involved in their athletics and coaching, yet I hear them say, "ya, I'm pretty hands-off, just let the coaches do their thing". Riiiiiiight.
                    Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 02-08-2019, 04:02 PM.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                      I love me some Domas, but let's face it, Turner grew up in PAL and AAU and whatever, and then the coaching disaster he went through for a year at Texas, while Domas was in the driveway getting daily lessons from Arvydas, one of the greatest big men of all time... of course he was going to be a little further along quicker. I always felt like Domas was almost NBA-ready early on, while Myles had work to do but was more of a "unicorn" in terms of the potential, we just had/have to be patient. I still think Myles has more to show us. Having both players is such a blessing, in their own ways. I really think we're looking at the best front-court in the league in a year or two. I honestly feel like the only thing holding up the pairing as starters is Domas' defense in comparison to Thad. If he can close that gap in the coming year or two and Thad starts to age, that transition will occur.

                      All things mapped out, I think we're looking at a matured Holiday at PG, Dipo, Bogey, Domas, and Myles starting unit in the next year or two and that will be a helluva lineup.
                      I still don't understand what Myles' problem was at Texas. But his coach, Rick Barnes, is now head coach at Tennessee. And Tennessee has been the #1 team in the nation for the past several weeks. Barnes has done a tremendous job at Tennessee.

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                      • #26
                        He's definitely up there with JO. Albeit, Turner's career just started
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Strummer View Post

                          I still don't understand what Myles' problem was at Texas. But his coach, Rick Barnes, is now head coach at Tennessee. And Tennessee has been the #1 team in the nation for the past several weeks. Barnes has done a tremendous job at Tennessee.
                          It was a different story for Texas: https://basketball.realgm.com/analys...ts-Draft-Stock

                          This is why Myles draft stock dropped a tad, and we were able to nab him at 11, and even then a lot of experts said we reached a bit. He was projected as a top-5 prospect prior to the Texas debacle.
                          Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 02-08-2019, 04:06 PM.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by owl View Post
                            And as I have said before Myles can do the exact same workout this next off season with yoga a big part. I think it has really helped with his core strength and movement, coordination and timing which is directly tied to his shot blocking ability.
                            Asking him to bulk up is a sure way to ruin him
                            Bah. Please do not fall for this line of thinking. His core stability is also tied to his 400 lbs dead lifts which he also did last summer. His diet is probably a bigger factor as well. All the hot yoga drives me nuts. Myles faster reaction is not due to hot yoga although it is good for injury prevention.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                              It looks to me like he's also getting calls going his way now (fouls not being called when he makes a block and there's some contact), because his reputation now precedes him.
                              He does seem to be getting away with a lot more lower body contact than he used to.

                              I personally wouldn’t rank him over Gobert and maybe a few others as far as overall rim protection goes. Until he gets that left hand out of there and uses it for protecting the rim instead making body contact, which often leads to unnecessary foul trouble, he’s not gonna be as dominant defensively as he could be in my opinion. Even if he never learns to defend that way, he’s still easily one of the best and will continue to get better as he gets older and gains strength.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by owl View Post
                                And as I have said before Myles can do the exact same workout this next off season with yoga a big part. I think it has really helped with his core strength and movement, coordination and timing which is directly tied to his shot blocking ability.
                                Asking him to bulk up is a sure way to ruin him
                                Totally agree on that last point. His body will continue to fill out as he ages and continues working out like he has been. No need to put undue pressure on his frame before it can handle it.
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