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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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  • #16
    As a GM, if you're not taking calls and listening to offers, you're not doing your job. As far as our particular team is concerned, it might be the time to start making the calls.

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    • #17
      When Holiday stepped onto the floor in the 4th QTR. He started to add a lot of energy and aggressiveness on the offensive end.
      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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      • #18
        That was perfectly executed. Play your young guys/lose. When the draft rolls around and we actually get to choose a player who could one day be a franchise cornerstone, no one will say “man I wish we could’ve arrived for the 8th seed and got took the Raptors to game 6 in the first round”. #lose out.

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        • #19
          I'm just worried about the fact that Pacers are not that bad how they look like on the floor. And separate players are not that bad as well (compared to how they look on the floor).
          I mean - there are problems beside basketball (chemistry?, coaching?, conditioning?, etc...)
          I'm really sorry because of my english (which is my 3-4 language) and I really appreciate Your patience. I hope this board will make me better

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          • #20
            What is different now from when Dipo missed 11 games earlier in the season?
            "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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            • #21
              Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
              What is different now from when Dipo missed 11 games earlier in the season?
              Primary difference is psychological. Before we knew it was temporary and the attitude was hold the line until he gets back. Now we know he's not coming back, which makes it hard to summon up that same energy. You feel defeated and you have to try to compensate over a lot more games. It's a lot more daunting. Plus, despite the record, I don't feel like we were hitting on all cylinders when he went down anyway.
              I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

              -Emiliano Zapata

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              • #22
                Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                What is different now from when Dipo missed 11 games earlier in the season?
                Players were still fresh and had energy. Nate runs his players to the ground, and the team is fatigued.
                Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                  What is different now from when Dipo missed 11 games earlier in the season?
                  The players knew Dipo was coming back, so there was nothing for them to be bummed out about. They had the motivation to keep the team afloat so that they’d be in prime position when he returned.

                  Now is way different because the team has to cope with him being done for the year. That had to be totally deflating and depressing. They are human and you can’t blame them because they know that a team that once had a decent chance of contending for a deep run now has virtually no chance.

                  2.5 out of first, then the star goes down. Just brutal.

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                  • #24
                    I remember earlier this year when Wall was still playing I mentioned that I would include Sabonis in a trade for Beal. No one on this board agreed with me. Beal looked like he could get a bucket any time he wanted to out there.

                    We need to move Cojo. I would rather watch Holiday miss shots then to see cojo dribble for 15 seconds.

                    TJ leaf looked pretty good

                    Aside from Bogey and Oladipo Pacers don't have any players that can get their shot off under pressure. Both Cojo and collision need about 10 feet of space to get their shot off. There was one play where Cojo was dribbling at the top of the key and beal defended him from the foul line. We by far have the worst pg rotation in the league. I'm trying to think of a worst rotation and I can't. Our Pg's can barely get to the paint and when they do they can't score. They also can't create shots for other players.

                    Pacers should call up the sixers and see if we can get Markelle Fultz. We need some creators and they need shooters.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                      What is different now from when Dipo missed 11 games earlier in the season?
                      A lot of trash teams.
                      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                      • #26
                        Knee-jerk reactions aside...

                        Oladipo not being on the floor is not the reason for this slide. His injury might have put us in this funk, but him not being out there is not why we're looking this bad. We've been without his services for chunks of this season and we never looked this bad. They can play better, we've seen it.

                        We just lost to Memphis (who we beat by 28 w/ Oladipo), and Washington (who we already beat this year withOUT Oladipo).

                        I tend to think this current slide is a culmination of a few factors: 1) Oladipo's injury has them a little mentally-rattled, 2) we then mostly went on the road, and 3) we played the Warriors, who are smoking everyone right now.

                        And people probably won't agree with this, but we've been without Tyreke as well, which is another offensive creator and 10 PPG.

                        So that all joins up to make things look worse than it is. We're in a funk.

                        When watching this team the last 3 games, my biggest takeaway is that we are not playing with near the energy that we had been prior, and there's a lack of focus. This is evident by the number of 50/50 balls that we appear to be losing, the silly turnovers, the mental lapses. It's also evident that we are not playing near the level of defense that we were just last week. The box scores might not scream that, but I can tell by just watching, we are allowing things to happen that we weren't before. A lot of guys left open, missed switches, etc.

                        This team's overall performance sort of flows from it's defense. Hard to explain, but when they are confused defensively, it also translates over to offense and rebounding. When they figure it out defensively, all of a sudden their offense starts to click and they rebound well.

                        I tend to think that this is a temporary lull, a culmination of just a few factors that make a bit of a perfect storm. They obviously need to get tougher mentally and push past hurdles like losing an Oladipo, because even without him, they can play much better than this. They just need to remember that.
                        Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 01-31-2019, 11:25 AM.
                        There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                        • #27
                          I think we need Tyreke more than we realized.

                          That said, I'm fine with no Tyreke so we can see what others can do. Tyreke will help us go 50/50 or so down the stretch (maybe) but he won't get us to winning basketball, he won't get us past the first round in the playoffs, he is not a solution for long term, and he will be gone next year. But he is a factor in determining why that 11 game stretch will likely prove to go better than this upcoming stretch without Tyreke.
                          "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                          • #28
                            We aren't beating anybody with no Oladipo and no Evans. As terrible as Evans is, he's the only real offensive creator aside from Oladipo as others have mentioned.

                            This team is just so bad right now, at least our draft pick will be better than it was going to be.
                            *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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                            • #29
                              I expected the loss but our performance was quite disappointing. I expected us to fight more but the team right now just isn't in sync. Anyway, let's see if there were any positive developmental signs last night.

                              Myles: He started the game off looking to score aggressively. He had a very good first quarter. Unfortunately, he wasn't as aggressive the rest of the game and he dropped off. He made a nice turnaround jumper over Bryant and had a few good passes but other than that there wasn't anything we haven't seen.

                              Domas: He fought on the boards as usual. He was part of the big lineup that cut the deficit to 10 points. So, he wasn't bad. He just, like Myles, mostly did what we have come to expect of him to do.

                              Sumner: He looked very, very good in the first 5 minutes. He played good defense, he handled the ball well in a couple of PnRs and he moved well off the ball and cut hard for some two buckets. Unfortunately, he got into foul trouble early and then he wasn't able to find his footing again. Still, he belongs in the league athletically, he has defensive and rebounding potential and his ball-handling seems promising as well. I'd say that the early returns on Sumner are good even if his shooting numbers are horrible.

                              Leaf: Another good game by Leaf. He has been quite good at finishing inside lately. He needs to keep doing that to become a dependable scorer. He had a very sweet drive with a pass fake in the first half. It looked really good.

                              Holiday: His shooting comes and goes but I liked how he pressured the ball in the third quarter. I believe that he will develop into a plus defender and I think that a potential Holiday/Sumner back-court is quite intriguing.

                              Reed: Played a bit less than 3 minutes and he had a pretty nice assist to Holiday.

                              Look, I'll say it again. Right now is not the time to worry about the results and our record. Our chances of missing the playoffs (I'm talking about the playoffs because that's the prevailing opinion on PD, that the FO is happy just to make the playoffs) are extremely slim. If there was ever a time when we could afford to make as many mistakes possible, it's right now. It's the time to try out the young guys, it's the time to try out crazy lineups. Simply put, it's the time to try out what works. For that to happen, though, we need those young guys to assume more offensive responsibility. Run the offense through them as much as you can. Run more PnRs with Myles, run more DHOs with Domas, let Sumner and Holiday handle the ball and make plays, give Leaf looks inside and outside. We need to do more of that.
                              People who try to win arguments are the worst. The point of an argument isn't to find a winner, it is to find the truth.

                              Originally posted by IrishPacer
                              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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