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TJ Leaf, Doug McDermott, Tyreke Evans

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
    Leaf is a bust. McDermott is a 3 point sniper that cannot make open 3ís. Evans is Monta Ellis all over again. Why isnít Kevin Pritchard getting any heat for these blunders?
    Leaf is slowly showing improvements, he probably won't be a starter, but could be a very nice back-up big man.

    McDermott just doesn't fit our offensive system very well, Bogdanovic looks way better this year because he has started to out the ball on the floor to score. (Let's trade Doug for Lance!!!)

    Evans is a 1 year deal it was worth the risk, his play has won us a game or 2 this year. You can be pissed off if we sign him back on long-term.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

      I agree. He is a very skilled player and needs grow into his body. He has a shot to be a good NBA player if he just gets in the gym and starts packing on some muscle. Not to get big and bulky but to get stronger. There will be a direct correlation between his strength and effectiveness because he is naturally gifted.
      Maybe he can join Myles & Domas in Texas this Summer.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Eleazar;n3427184[B
        ]If we had a more structured offense McDermott would look a lot better.[/B]

        Some people just have no patient for draft picks. Not every draft pick immediately enters the league and is successful. Leaf has improved a lot since last year, if he continues to improve he won't be a bust.

        Evans has been bad, but unlike Monta he is on a great ****ing contract.

        KP's only real blunder has been extending McMillian. I've given him a lot of heat over that.
        Would he? I mean let's be honest here there is a reason that he is on his 5th team in 5 years and its not because he is in high demand. Doug is a one dimensional player and the problem with one dimensional players is that when their one dimension is not working they either become a detriment at worst or just invisible at best. Fortunately for us he has just become invisible most games and not a detriment. Now I freely admit our offense in general is atrocious and has been all year so he does not get a lot of help. But he doesn't really help himself either. Many times he's on the floor for 5-6 min at a time and you forget he is there because he is not doing anything of any value. He's not a horrible defender but he's not a defender either. He doesn't rebound, pass, set screens or do any of the hustle plays on a routine basis. It doesn't mean he doesn't do it at all but he just doesn't do it with any regularity. Giving him a three year deal was just a joke then and it has not gotten any better now IMO.

        I would much rather we tried to spend all the cap money we put into these three and have gotten Marcus Smart. The Celtics might have signed him back but maybe not.

        Leaf, well when I see John Collins was picked right after Leaf I want to jump off of a bridge. But I know that drafts are typically a crap shoot. I'm not hating on him for picking him but let's not run to jump on hand grenades to defend him either. I'm not sure leaf gets past his rookie deal in the NBA.

        Tyreke Evans is exactly what I thought he would be and said so last summer.


        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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        • #19
          Originally posted by bumpercar3 View Post
          ÖÖÖ. they know how to draft, we donít.
          You do know that they drafted McDermott - right ??

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          • #20
            The more time passes, the more last summer looks like a train wreck.

            First, Tyreke is not a player I want to see next year and I have no idea why the Pacers would fork out 12M/yr when they had a better SG in Lance Stephenson for 1/3 the cost.

            Second, the Pacers tried and failed to get JJ Redick and instead got McBrickets who not only cannot defend a fence post, but needs the perfect situation that will never exist in Indiana to be productive on offense.

            Third, the Pacers acquire and bench Kyle O'Quinn. For the same money they had Lance playing a significant role on the team last year.

            Fourth, the Pacers, Kevin Pritchard specifically, got played by LeBron stealing Lance. We now know that KP expected that Lance would wait around after getting cut but business is business and KP lost that deal.

            He really failed miserably. I guess there is some hope that Holiday might turn into a player but he's been benched most of the year too. No wonder he's throwing up shots with reckless abandon. Dude did not get developed.

            With Dipo done, the Pacers are in a very bad place for a long time.
            Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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            • #21
              Let's say, for argument's sake, that we swap out Tyreke Evans and Kyle O'Quinn for J.J. Redick and Lance Stephenson right now. Does it really make a difference? Would we be 1st or 2nd in the East? Either way, we can't win a championship - maybe not even a series - without last season's Oladipo, so the other guys on the roster don't really matter much now. I can't get too worked up about last offseason's "failures" when most of the money spent will come off the books after this, a lost season, anyways.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                The more time passes, the more last summer looks like a train wreck.

                First, Tyreke is not a player I want to see next year and I have no idea why the Pacers would fork out 12M/yr when they had a better SG in Lance Stephenson for 1/3 the cost.

                Second, the Pacers tried and failed to get JJ Redick and instead got McBrickets who not only cannot defend a fence post, but needs the perfect situation that will never exist in Indiana to be productive on offense.

                Third, the Pacers acquire and bench Kyle O'Quinn. For the same money they had Lance playing a significant role on the team last year.

                Fourth, the Pacers, Kevin Pritchard specifically, got played by LeBron stealing Lance. We now know that KP expected that Lance would wait around after getting cut but business is business and KP lost that deal.

                He really failed miserably. I guess there is some hope that Holiday might turn into a player but he's been benched most of the year too. No wonder he's throwing up shots with reckless abandon. Dude did not get developed.

                With Dipo done, the Pacers are in a very bad place for a long time.
                Dude, your favorite player is rotting on the Lakers bench, and they need bodies baaaad.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                  The more time passes, the more last summer looks like a train wreck.

                  First, Tyreke is not a player I want to see next year and I have no idea why the Pacers would fork out 12M/yr when they had a better SG in Lance Stephenson for 1/3 the cost.

                  Second, the Pacers tried and failed to get JJ Redick and instead got McBrickets who not only cannot defend a fence post, but needs the perfect situation that will never exist in Indiana to be productive on offense.

                  Third, the Pacers acquire and bench Kyle O'Quinn. For the same money they had Lance playing a significant role on the team last year.

                  Fourth, the Pacers, Kevin Pritchard specifically, got played by LeBron stealing Lance. We now know that KP expected that Lance would wait around after getting cut but business is business and KP lost that deal.

                  He really failed miserably. I guess there is some hope that Holiday might turn into a player but he's been benched most of the year too. No wonder he's throwing up shots with reckless abandon. Dude did not get developed.

                  With Dipo done, the Pacers are in a very bad place for a long time.
                  I might be wrong but Evans was a backup to failing to get Redick, not Doug. And KOQ got the money that Lance was suppose to get. We had to cut Lance to have the money to sign Doug and Redick and then use the exemption to sign Lance. The plan was to go into the season with Doug, Redick, Lance and Big Al, instead we ended up with Doug, Evans, KOQ and an open roster spot

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Deadshot View Post

                    Portland drafted Barton
                    It doesnít matter. They were able to trade for him and a first rounder for a washed up Aaron Afflalo. No one seems to get it but they will. Itís a numbers game. You need a lot of assets that have high probabilities of working out better than other teams anticipated in order to win as a small market team that will never have a top 5 pick. Each time u fail to acquire assets that matter in the off-season u set the franchise back ANOTHER year. Just make it stop, Fire KP, bring in someone with a brain please. Unless Simon is making these decisions for him, Fire him and get on with progress.The oladipo trade was not his success, he had a superstar asset and failed to break even bcuz of Vicís injury. Even with out the injury it was a FORCED trade not a decision. Afflalo was on his way down Barton was on his way up. Any first rounder properly scouted has a high probability of being on their way up. If you are trading stock you buy low and sell high. Not the opposite!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by festar35 View Post

                      Evans is a 1 year deal it was worth the risk, his play has won us a game or 2 this year.
                      how many has it lost?

                      Originally posted by festar35 View Post

                      You can be pissed off if we sign him back on long-term.
                      nah, i'm gonna go ahead and be pissed now

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by the_real_lg33 View Post
                        I can't get too worked up about last offseason's "failures" when most of the money spent will come off the books after this, a lost season, anyways.
                        Yeah now the excuse has been moved to ďoh well the money is coming off anywaysĒ

                        Pacers wasting year after year of their players should worry everybody, they did it with Granger and they did it with PG, the excuse making has to stop at some point
                        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                        • #27
                          This thread is hilarious.
                          There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                          • #28
                            Its crazy to call a 2nd year big a bust. Bigs take longer to develop than point guards and I would not call a 2nd year point guard a bust.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                              This thread is hilarious.
                              It is funny. Because players take genearally 1 to 5 years to develop. Look at Satoranski in the Wizards get better and better each year, each opportunity. Pick 32, 2012. What did LB, KP, and company do that year? They drafted Hansborough. Look at KPs resume, I keep providing examples but just google him, he sucks. Each time we trust the guy that wanted Greg Oden instead of Kevin Durant, the guy that sucked in Portland just as bad as he sucks here, we can set our franchise back 5 years. But guess what? Until Dakich, JMV, Grady, Big Joe, Kravitz, and Doyle start calling him out, just like with Grigson, heís not going anywhere, get rid of this bum. I canít believe I ever doubted Victor either, dude didnít want to play hurt. Someone messed that one up as well, thatís not on KP, but Pacers need an overhaul. Why else was Victor quoted ďthe way I play I gotta be 100 percentĒ. He was correct, he was going hard and his knee buckled. Maybe if we had more talent, more guys willing to sprint down the court and make that play, VO is still resting.

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                              • #30
                                Time for the weekly PacerGeek emotional breakdown. Bring the popcorn.

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