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    Pacers took care of business and win. Now the the real challenge comes into town with Toronto.
    Victor going to shoot himself out of his slump
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  • #2
    Vic looked better today, DC was a beast.
    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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    • #3
      To me this is what I envisioned for our team at the start of the season - well for the most part.

      Victor Oladipo - Better game of late, he scored around that 20ppg mark, dished out some assists & got some steals.
      Myles Turner - Hit the long-ball (3-5), pulled down rebounds & blocked shots. (16 a little more than anticipated, but I don't expect him to miss though easy shots next time either) He is really showing an ability to put up numbers like the Gobert, Capela, Nurkic, Adam's of the league but in a different way given his shooting ability.

      Sabonis + Evans - Combined for 30 points, did so reasonably efficiently, Domas rebounded & Tyreke dished it out.

      Young did Thad, Bogdanovic scored effectively, CoJo & McDermott were both solid.


      To me this does signal what a lot of people have been talking about recently though & that is that an upgrade at the PG spot greatly improve this team. Collison was fantastic with an efficient 19 points & 9 assists. If we could get a PG that could do that for us nightly would be phenomenal for this teams success.
      Walker, Jrue Holiday, Conley (Same age as DC) should all be options that Pritchard is looking at.
      Last edited by festar35; 01-20-2019, 08:35 PM.

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      • #4
        If Tyreke Evans can keep this up..... please
        "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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        • #5
          Great win. Much more comfortable than I expected. I'm very happy to see that.

          Reke is making the lay-ups that he was missing earlier in the year. That's great to see, especially on a back-to-back.

          Doug is still cold from 3 point range but he did a good job dishing out assists tonight (he had 4). He always looks pretty good when he's involved in DHOs with Domas as he was tonight. The problem is when we don't involve him in those DHOs. That's when he gets lost in our offense and doesn't contribute enough.

          DC was great. He took it to Kemba tonight and he frankly outplayed him for parts of the game (especially when you consider how much better Kemba actually is).

          Dipo had a very good second half. Ever since Dipo came back from injury he has made a concerted effort at creating plays for his teammates (with the exception of that Boston game). It hasn't always worked for him and for the team and it may take him out of his scoring mentality at times but I do appreciate that he keeps trying to make things happen for others. Yes, he is in a shooting slump and he clearly isn't as potent scoring-wise as he was last year. He may even be still injured as some folks are thinking. But even when he's taking shots that I personally don't like, I don't think that it's happening because he's being selfish or anything. I believe that it's just hard to find the right balance between being the #1 scoring option and consistently making plays for others. I think that Dipo will find the balance and when he does, we'll be a much better team for it.

          Myles was great on the boards and on defense tonight. Those 3 straight 3s were amazing too. I was pretty bummed that he didn't get a lot of chances to get his double-double later on but the game was so good overall that I can't complain.

          Domas was very good and he got a number of tough rebounds.

          Thad and CoJo were their usual selves. Active defense and they scored a bit when we needed them. We didn't need them a lot tonight as other players were on.

          Bojan is struggling with his outside shot and he knows it which is why he's trying to take it inside. It's a good strategy to get his rhythm back and he did a fine job tonight.

          Leaf had two nice blocks. I believe that he has a brighter future as a stretch 5 than a stretch 4. He isn't good at moving his feet laterally but he is pretty explosive vertically.
          Originally posted by IrishPacer
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          • #6
            I still like this team to do some damage come playoff time. Myles & Domas are better than last year. The defense is ahead of last year. Bogie (while not great lately) is a better player than last year. Just need Vic to get his shot & efficiency back on offense....

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            • #7
              I was worried before this game and oy boy, I am so happy that this one was almost effortless W, like a sparring match during preseason.

              OK, Pacers are very good. BUT I hate how they shy away from th e chance to do some real damage to their direct opponents. Last year's team had a little bit different approach. Crazy lance could do whatever and that irritated opposition. Current Pacers are just too nice and humble. Kyle O'Oquinn maybe should see floor once in a while more. That dude is a bad news. Domas is a very bad news, but he just so nice. He plays tough, but doesn't act tough.

              Onto to Toronto - everything is in our favor for that game, it will be a test. Winning 124-93 would easy our concerns a bit
              Last edited by bball_nomad; 01-23-2019, 02:35 AM.
              12-12-2018, 09:20 PM


              Myles Turner during Vic's postgame interview: "Tell you what the East is in trouble now boy"

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                Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                Leaf had two nice blocks. I believe that he has a brighter future as a stretch 5 than a stretch 4. He isn't good at moving his feet laterally but he is pretty explosive vertically.
                you just made me visualize leaf guarding embiid in the post

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dal9 View Post

                  you just made me visualize leaf guarding embiid in the post
                  Eh, Embiid's one dude. We could easily just not play Leaf in that game
                  Originally posted by IrishPacer
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                  • #10
                    I really liked what I seen from DC this game. I wish he would stay this aggressive every game.

                    I do not understand why nate doesn't Play TJ in the 3rd quarter especially yesterday when we had a lead for the whole game. Instead he plays bogey at the 4.

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                    • #11
                      If we go 18-18 the rest of the way, we would be at 49-33.

                      29-7 puts is at 60 wins...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by kent beckley View Post
                        If we go 18-18 the rest of the way, we would be at 49-33.

                        29-7 puts is at 60 wins...
                        Might be interesting to do a schedule breakdown, it’s been a bit soft lately so I’m expecting a tough road ahead.

                        i think my pre-season prediction was 52 and I’m feeling good about that number. Would not be shocked if they surpass it, but I think 60 wins would be a serious long shot.
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                          Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force View Post

                          Might be interesting to do a schedule breakdown, it’s been a bit soft lately so I’m expecting a tough road ahead.

                          i think my pre-season prediction was 52 and I’m feeling good about that number. Would not be shocked if they surpass it, but I think 60 wins would be a serious long shot.
                          I posted a breakdown in the Pacers ownership and FO thread along with a short breakdown of Philly's and Boston's schedule. Allow me to quote myself:

                          Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

                          3rd or 4th seed. We could even fall to the 5th seed but it depends on how much separation we can get until we hit the rough patch of our schedule in March. That brutal stretch starts with the game @ Milwaukee early in March. We have the following games remaining until then:

                          vs Toronto
                          @ Memphis
                          vs Golden State
                          @ Washington
                          @ Orlando
                          @ Miami
                          @ NOLA
                          vs LA Lakers
                          vs LA Clippers
                          vs Cleveland
                          vs Charlotte
                          vs Milwaukee
                          vs NOLA
                          @ Washington
                          @ Detroit
                          @ Dallas
                          vs Minnesota
                          vs Orlando
                          vs Chicago

                          Those are the next 19 games. Only 3 of those games are going to be against elite teams (vs Toronto, vs Golden State, vs Milwaukee). Two more games are going to be against above .500 teams (LA Lakers, LA Clippers) and 5 or 6 games are going to be against teams that are a bit below .500 right now (depending on how you feel about Dallas which has a 16-6 record at home) but have a chance of being at or above .500 when we face them (@ Miami, @ NOLA, vs Charlotte, vs NOLA, @ Dallas, vs Minnesota).

                          One of the main reasons why we have the record that we have right now is that we are really, really good at beating the teams that we should be beating. We are currently 22-3 against teams below .500. That's a .880 winning percentage. Conversely, our record against teams .500 or above is not that good (and it always fluctuates due to the nature of this statistic). Right now, we are at 9-12 against teams .500 or above. That's a .428 winning percentage.

                          So, let's try to apply those numbers in the above 20 game stretch. We have 5 games that are going to be for sure above .500. If we apply that .428 percentage on those games, we come out with a 2-3 record in those 5 games. I think that this is a realistic outcome.

                          The 6 games against the teams hovering around .500 should be looked at individually, imo. Personally, I believe that we drop the games @ NOLA and @ Dallas and that we win the rest. So, a 4-2 record there.

                          That leaves us with 8 games. If we were to apply our .880 record to those 9 games, we come out with a 7-1 record. Combine those 3 and we come out with a 13-6 record in those 20 games. That would put us at 44-21 with 17 games remaining and our brutal stretch coming up.

                          In those last 17 games, we face 11 teams above .500 and most of them are at the very top of the standings. We are facing Denver twice, OKC twice and Boston twice and we also play @ Milwaukee, @ Philly, @ Portland, @ Golden State and @ LA Clippers. It goes without saying that this is going to be a very rough patch. If we keep up our .428 winning percentage against the top teams in that stretch then our possible record in those games is 5-6. But since those aren't just above .500 teams but they are mostly the absolute elite of the league and because a lot of those games are away from home then I think that expecting 5 wins is a bit optimistic here. 4 or 3 wins are probably more probable. So, let's take the absolute worst scenario here and go with 3 wins here. A 3-8 record.

                          Our remaining games are vs New York, vs Orlando, vs Detroit, @ Detroit, vs Brooklyn and @ Atlanta. Keeping up our .880 winning percentage against below .500 teams would have us at 5-1 against those teams which could even be pessimistic if we're chasing a seed and we're playing all out. Add up those two and we get an 8-9 record in the final 17 games which is possible albeit a bit pessimistic. Add that record to our record so far and we end up with a 52-30 record.

                          What's a 52-30 record good for? Last season, that was the exact record that Philly had and they were the 3rd seed. Two years ago, the #1 seed in the East, the Celtics, had a 53-29 record and the #2 and #3 seeds (Cleveland and Toronto) were at 51-31. Three years ago, the two top seeds (Cleveland and Toronto) wore more than 55 games and the Heat got the #3 seed with 48 wins (on a crazy tie-breaker with 3 other teams). Four years ago, the #2 seed, Cleveland, won 53 games and the #3 seed, Chicago, won 50 games. Five years ago, we won the #1 seed with 56 wins and the #2 seed, Miami, had 54 wins. The #3 seed, Toronto, had 48 wins. I don't think I have to go further back than that. I believe that you get my point here. 52 wins has always been good enough for the 3rd seed in the East.

                          Can Boston get there? Maybe. Their current record is 29-18 which is a .617 winning percentage. They have 35 games remaining and if they were to retain their winning percentage intact that would mean that they'd go 21-14 (or 22-13). That would put them at 50 or 51 wins. 19 of those 35 games are against teams .500 or more. This number could go down to 17 if you don't count the Sacramento Kings who are right around .500 but it could also go up if you count the Hornets or the Nets who are in a similar situation (hovering close to .500). Regardless of the way you count it, though, they're still going to play at least 17 more games against teams .500 or more. Their record against those teams is, once again, quite similar to ours. They are 8-10 which is a .444 winning percentage. Let's be generous to them and only count 17 of those games as .500 or above ones. 44.4% of 17 is 7.55. Let's round it up and give them an 8-9 record in those 17 games. The remaining 18 games would be against teams below .500 (even if some of them would actually be above .500 at the time as the aforementioned Kings or even the Nets) and the Celtics have a 21-8 record against those teams which is a .724 winning percentage. Apply that winning percentage to the remaining 18 games and you get a 13-5 record. Combine that 13-5 record with the previous 8-9 record and we get 21-14 which is exactly what their current winning percentage projects them at.

                          So, the Celtics need to outplay their current production to reach 52 wins. That is indeed possible since their current stats are no doubt affected by their slow start to the season but it's not a given. They can maybe get there.

                          As for Philly, there's nothing stopping Philly from getting to 52 wins themselves. They are in the middle of a tough stretch themselves right now as their next 9 opponents are all going to be .500 and above (and they aren't much better than us at beating those teams, their record against them is 9-11). If we manage to get some good separation against them during this stretch then we can hold on to the 3rd seed. If we can't then Philly can definitely overtake us when we are in the middle of our own tough stretch.

                          That tough stretch for Philly started with the game against us, which didn't prove so tough after all. Tonight's game against Houston didn't prove tough for them either but they did drop the OKC game. They are facing San Antonio in two days and then they embark on their West Coast trip. They play @ Denver, @ LA Lakers, @ GSW and then @ Sacramento. They then return home to face Toronto, then Denver, then LA Lakers and finally Boston. Their schedule then lets up a bit as they face 9 teams .500 or above in the final 25 games. But until they get to that easier stretch, they are a bit vulnerable. Overall, they'll have to face 18 teams .500 or above in their last 34 games. Their winning percentage against those teams is .450. 45% of 18 is 8.1. So, an 8-10 record in those games sounds reasonable. The remaining 16 games are against teams below .500 and their record against them is 22-6 which is an .785 winning percentage. Applying that to the 16 remaining games gives us a 12-4 or 13-3 record. Combine that with the previous 8-10 and you get either 20-14 or 21-13. Given that their record right now 31-17 it means that a projected record for them would be either 51-31 or 52-30. So, as I said at the start of my comment on Philly, they can indeed get to 52 wins.

                          So, I do expect the 3rd, 4th and 5th seeds to be very close record-wise. I believe that our chances of getting either the 3rd or the 4th seed and retain HCA for the playoffs are pretty good. 52 wins are pretty attainable for us this season, especially if we keep taking care of business against teams below .500. Remember, I was pretty pessimistic when I predicted our record in those 11 tough games after the ASB to be 3-8 and we still got to 52 wins.
                          Obviously, I can't vouch for the breakdown of Boston and Philly. The truth is that they are both playing better than they were earlier in the season so it's quite possible that they outplay their current winning percentage the rest of the season. For our breakdown, though, I think that, if anything, I'm being pessimistic. That 3-8 record in that tough 11 game stretch is definitely possible but it's in the low ends of my expectations. And even with that we still are at 52 wins. 538 currently projects us to finish with a 51-31 record -> https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ex_cid=rrpromo

                          Of course, it also projects us to fall in the 5th seed since it projects Philly and Boston to finish 53-29. Those records are all within the realm of possibility. 60 wins or anything below 50 wins is outside of the realm of possibility, imo. 60 wins would require us to start playing great against the top teams of the league and beat them consistently (I don't believe we can play more than .500 ball against them, we aren't in that tier yet) and below 50 wins would require us to either drop a lot of games against teams below .500 or start playing .300 ball against the top teams. One would be overly optimistic while the other would be overly pessimistic. 52 wins, though, sounds quite realistic to me.
                          Originally posted by IrishPacer
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