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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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  • #16
    Originally posted by docpaul View Post

    The way heís being played now starts to feel weirdly out of place. Like heís getting minutes he doesnít deserve. Something is up, and if not, itís going to start creating chemistry problems for kids like Holiday if we are not careful.


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    Yeah it feels like they are force feeding him minutes for some reason.

    I dont expect that to increase his value though that didnít work with him averaging 20ppg last year that is not working now.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by docpaul View Post
      One more thing: letís not give short shrift to team chemistry. Two of the main east contenders are dealing with major chemistry issues at the moment, while Pacers seems relatively tight overall.
      Yet another reason why being healthy is important and why Turner's injury hurt us. Domas is a key part to our bench's offense and having him inserted into the starting lineup hurt our bench's production. The same thing goes for all the starters. When Dipo was out earlier in the year, Reke was thrust into the starting lineup and he struggled mightily as he had zero chemistry with the starters. He has been relatively fine off the bench but he was a disaster with the starters. Our bench was fine without Dipo because Aaron Holiday stepped up and played very well but Reke struggled a ton individually. And even last season when DC went down. CoJo was thrust into the starting lineup and he just didn't do as well as he normally does off the bench.

      Chemistry depends on trust and you build that trust when you play next to each other. That's why injuries have a ripple effect. You don't only lose the guy that got injured, you also lose the familiarity that the rest of the lineup has with him.
      People who try to win arguments are the worst. The point of an argument isn't to find a winner, it is to find the truth.

      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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      • #18
        Easy peasy. The margin in strength between these is HUGE. Final score doesn't even show the size separation between these two clubs.

        Onto the the next one - Philly. 9/10 chancethat Pacers will get a W 30. Not because Pacers are soooo goooood, but we are very inconvenient opponent. Philly has Embbid, but sadly for him, Pacers have even better center. Drum roll (because you didn't know it before. Right now the best center in the NBA is.... Your own.....!!!!!!!

        MyleDomas!


        His stats are beyond anything people witnessed after wilt and Arvydas (though Arvydas didn't put such numbers for log - just till he was just 22 years and approximately 4 months old). Avrydas never reached he was deprived for whatever reason for what his true potential, he got broken on the lift-of, and never was as good as he was before his first thorn Achilles.

        Domas dad was born December 19th 1964, the tragedy to basketball fans happened in the spring of 1987. Yep, pretty sad. Just because Sabonis is a GIANT, with GIANT FEET. Those days all the steps every there for the normal people with certain specific regulations. If you just think for real, it's even almost a miracle that he was able to be healthy and play pro ball for about 6 years. OK, enough, or I'll begin to fielg sad after good pacers W.


        MyleDomas! Stats so far: (they are correct, I calculated averages from the all the shots the duo made, missed, ........ and etc.:

        Myles and Domas combined stats this season so far before today's game:

        Points - 1086,
        28.1 per game.

        Field goals made and attempted - 437 out of 773, 56.53%

        Rebounds offensive - 159, 4.1 per game.

        Rebounds defensive - 491, 12.7 per game
        Rebounds total -
        650, 16.8 per game

        And it goes on, Myles very good blocker, Domas steels and assists. Both are really good from the line and from the deep.

        I hope nobody will show Embiid with what kind of two-headed center he will have to deal two days from today.

        I like numbers. I think number 30 looks much, much better than number 15.

        We will now that two days from now, in the evening.

        Last edited by bball_nomad; 01-16-2019, 02:08 AM.
        12-12-2018, 09:20 PM


        Myles Turner during Vic's postgame interview: "Tell you what the East is in trouble now boy"

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        • #19
          Do you guys remember back when Miles was drafted, and we were all worried about his physical ability to run?

          Man, do we look stupid now.
          This space for rent.

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          • #20
            Love have Myles back & Domas back in the 2nd unit. Definitely my favourite 2 on this rosters!!!

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            • #21
              Is there any possible way that we could get Aaron Holiday to play either Evans or McDermotts minutes or preferably both? I don't care what Evans ended up with score wise he was an absolute black hole on offense and i legitimately believe he only passed the ball 5 or 6 times the entire game. I know a lot of McDermotts problems stem from having to play with Evans but for the love of God do something while you are out there even if it means foul somebody.

              BTW, if Ayton had even 1/8 of Shaq's meanness or attitude there would be no stopping him. As it stands he honestly is just to nice of a guy to truly realize how good he could be right now.

              Turner was great, Sabonis finally picked it up and Collison for about 4 minutes became a one man wrecking crew.

              Good win. Now let's try and beat a good team on Thursday.


              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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              • #22
                Amazing how quickly the defense snapped back... Thanks, Myles!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                  Do you guys remember back when Miles was drafted, and we were all worried about his physical ability to run?

                  Man, do we look stupid now.
                  I was just thinking about this the other day. I mean it did look weird to be fair, but he seems to have figured it out.
                  #LanceEffect

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    Tyrekeís value is never going to be higher.
                    Phoenix is enough to make people forget how it feels playing good teams.
                    Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Peck View Post
                      Is there any possible way that we could get Aaron Holiday to play either Evans or McDermotts minutes or preferably both? I don't care what Evans ended up with score wise he was an absolute black hole on offense and i legitimately believe he only passed the ball 5 or 6 times the entire game. I know a lot of McDermotts problems stem from having to play with Evans but for the love of God do something while you are out there even if it means foul somebody.

                      BTW, if Ayton had even 1/8 of Shaq's meanness or attitude there would be no stopping him. As it stands he honestly is just to nice of a guy to truly realize how good he could be right now.

                      Turner was great, Sabonis finally picked it up and Collison for about 4 minutes became a one man wrecking crew.

                      Good win. Now let's try and beat a good team on Thursday.
                      I'd easily give Tyreke's minutes to Holiday. Whenever I see Holiday out there, he hits his shots, is very active on the defensive end and way more athletic than Tyreke. His energy and athleticism adds something to the lineup that Tyreke doesn't.

                      Unfortunately, it's obvious that Tyreke has lost a step and isn't able to finish as much as he used to ( Which was his calling card ). Honestly; when Tyreke is out there, it just looks like he's going through the motions.

                      As for McDermott, his role is just to hit the spot up 3pt shot and cut to the basket for quick and easy buckets while coming off the bench. I have no problem with him filling that role.
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                      • #26
                        Tyreek Evans is in the wrong town for the lack of effort he gives on defense. Wrong town, wrong team, wrong coaches, wrong teammates. This isnít going to last much longer. Kinda sad that heís learned losing basketball during his career, he has talent. Itís maddening to watch him not move his feet or close out on shooters, his teammate have to hate it when they are all tied together and hustling to help each other selflessly.

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                        • #27
                          Turner should be an all-star....Vic, well maybe next year.

                          I hope we move Evans and get Holiday in the line-up.

                          I liked the post game interview with Vic. When asked if the next step was for the team to win comfortably without him scoring, Vic said no. The next step is for us to consistently beat the top tier teams like Boston, Toronto, Milwaukee and Golden State. He is exactly right.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Speed View Post
                            Tyreek Evans is in the wrong town for the lack of effort he gives on defense. Wrong town, wrong team, wrong coaches, wrong teammates. This isnít going to last much longer. Kinda sad that heís learned losing basketball during his career, he has talent. Itís maddening to watch him not move his feet or close out on shooters, his teammate have to hate it when they are all tied together and hustling to help each other selflessly.
                            Tyreke Evans "hater" here

                            As somebody that has trash knees I can relate with what I see from him, I think is obvious he is trying but his knees are not that good anymore and there is a reason why he looked amazing after getting a cortisone shot, he also looked good yesterday because of the many days off.

                            So his effort might be there but his body cant do it anymore.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                              Phoenix is enough to make people forget how it feels playing good teams.
                              Tell that to Milwaukee in Milwaukee, Boston in Boston and Denver at Phoenix.

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