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Post game #23 Pacers vs Kings

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  • #16
    Bogdanovic is what Mike Dinkeavy was supposed to be, a beast.
    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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    • #17
      How many dribbles did Collison do just past the half court mark in the last two minutes before he got us into any form of offense? Quinn said Domas needed to come out and set a screen, which is true, but how far out did Collison want him to go? By the time Domas made it out there Fox had Collison trapped, jumped into the ball and got the steal.

      Now I have no idea if this was the fault of Collison who was going rogue or if this was the designed play called by Nate. Either way it sucked.

      It was hard to blame Nate though for not taking out Collison those last two minutes. I'm sure he wanted to and then looked down the bench and saw Tyreke Evans and Aaron Holiday and decided to just roll with the chances he had.

      I felt bad for Myles in a way at the end. He had just come in and we had two bad plays (he was a big part of one of them) and he yanked him for Domas. Myles wasn't playing bad and although he had one mistake he should not have been taken out IMO. If anybody should have come out it should have been Thad who did not really do anything in particular in those last two minutes and frankly we lost because we needed scoring and rebounding, two things that Thad often struggles with.

      We really can't afford to go on any type of losing streak if we have any real intentions of home court in the playoffs. Philly will soon leapfrog us and unless they suffer some form of injury there will be no looking back from them and Boston will most likely eventually get their groove back. That is 4 teams right there that most likely will have at least as good as if not better records than we do.

      Let's just hope Victor gets back sooner rather than later.


      Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Peck View Post
        How many dribbles did Collison do just past the half court mark in the last two minutes before he got us into any form of offense? Quinn said Domas needed to come out and set a screen, which is true, but how far out did Collison want him to go? By the time Domas made it out there Fox had Collison trapped, jumped into the ball and got the steal.

        Now I have no idea if this was the fault of Collison who was going rogue or if this was the designed play called by Nate. Either way it sucked.

        It was hard to blame Nate though for not taking out Collison those last two minutes. I'm sure he wanted to and then looked down the bench and saw Tyreke Evans and Aaron Holiday and decided to just roll with the chances he had.

        I felt bad for Myles in a way at the end. He had just come in and we had two bad plays (he was a big part of one of them) and he yanked him for Domas. Myles wasn't playing bad and although he had one mistake he should not have been taken out IMO. If anybody should have come out it should have been Thad who did not really do anything in particular in those last two minutes and frankly we lost because we needed scoring and rebounding, two things that Thad often struggles with.

        We really can't afford to go on any type of losing streak if we have any real intentions of home court in the playoffs. Philly will soon leapfrog us and unless they suffer some form of injury there will be no looking back from them and Boston will most likely eventually get their groove back. That is 4 teams right there that most likely will have at least as good as if not better records than we do.

        Let's just hope Victor gets back sooner rather than later.
        Philly is 16-8
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        • #19
          This 2018-2019 team is not fun to watch as compared last year. I really hate Turner's grin everytime he commits a foul or turnover. CoJo should not handle the ball for more than 5 seconds

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          • #20
            Originally posted by khaos01207 View Post

            Philly is 16-8
            I stand corrected.

            Edit: Well crap. I looked at the standings and the Pistons have already past us as well and we currently are tied with Boston. Since we beat them if playoffs started today we would be 5th. But we are dangerously close to 7 with the Hornets only being 1.5 games back.

            Last edited by Peck; 12-02-2018, 03:40 AM.


            Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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            • #21
              I think we have plenty of talent to compete with best in the East.
              We have 2 All-Stars in Oladipo & Sabonis, 2 well above average role players in Turner (Defensively) & Bogdanovic (Offensively) along with a nice complimentary guard in Joseph. Funny thing is they all can play together but we don't get to see it. Granted Turner & Sabonis are slowly seeing more time together & when Oladipo I hope we see all them on the floor together.

              McDermott is starting to get more involved & after Sabonis our best bench scorer, Holiday is raw but showing good signs, Young can still be effective in limited role.
              I think one more really good bench scorer (what we hoped Evans would be) & we have a force to be reckoned with.
              Last edited by festar35; 12-02-2018, 03:46 AM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by festar35 View Post
                I think we have plenty of talent to compete with best in the East.
                We have 2 All-Stars in Oladipo & Sabonis, 2 well above average role players in Turner (Defensively) & Bogdanovic (Offensively) along with a nice complimentary guard in Joseph. Funny thing is they all can play together but we don't get to see it. Granted Turner & Sabonis are slowly seeing more time together & when Oladipo I hope we see all them on the floor together.

                McDermott is starting to get more involved & after Sabonis our best bench scorer, Holiday is raw but showing good signs, Young can still be effective in limited role.
                I think one more really good bench scorer (what we hoped Evans would be) & we have a force to be reckoned with.
                I like a lot of what you are saying. i don't know if I would go so far as to say a force but you know what crazier things have happened.

                I think we both agree though that the irritating thing right now is that there are lineups that you would want to see but yet for some damn reason Nate just will not do it. I really wonder what is going to happen to Holiday once Victor comes back. i would love to think he's played well enough to keep getting some minutes but I have a nasty feeling we will be seeing DNP-CD by his name a lot.


                Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

                  Are we? Since he has been given regular minutes the team has been +48 with him on the court. This was the first game the team was in the negative when he was on the court.
                  I'm surprised about that, because he's really struggled defensively this entire road trip. He's lost his man or failed to rotate multiple times, even being yanked after missing consecutive assignments against the Lakers. I'm not concerned about his ice cold shooting because he's a scorer who also attacks, but I'm concerned that his turnovers are caused by his size.

                  I look forward to him playing, but that's more of an indictment of poor play or poor energy from several players. Tyreke is playing like he has gambler's debt. His turnovers lately are inexplicable; I mean, who blocks their own shot? And Thad, if it weren't for his 100% effort on defense he'd be at the end of the bench because he's been terrible otherwise. Cory has struggled shooting lately and even got beat defensively late in the game last night. And while McDermott's offense and defense have improved dramatically, our team has been playing worse while he gets extended minutes.

                  Last night's loss was just horrible. Sacramento is terrible defensively yet we managed 3 points in the final 4 minutes, almost entirely our own undoing. Anything less than 3-1 on this trip was a disappointment, imo. We couldn't have asked for a more favorable west coast trip, and we finished 2-2.
                  Last edited by imawhat; 12-02-2018, 10:08 AM.

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                  • #24
                    Pretty disappointing season thus far. Going to be tough to get home court in the first round.

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                    • #25
                      Just finished watching the game. IMO this loss is on Nate to a large degree but admit that Evans suckitude and Holiday's defensive lapses do put him in a tough spot.

                      Too much Bogie/McDermott together in the 4th. They had one nice stretch to get the lead back but the minutes before and after were huge for Sac.

                      Collison was really frustrating tonight The assist numbers were impressive but the turnovers kept the Kings in the game. Kings figured out if they pick him up at half court and pressure he will either pick up his dribble too soon, pass to someone way out on the wing where they can use the sideline & half court line to pressure, or he will call for a pick way out near the half court line where they can use a double and the half court line to force turnovers/bleed out the shot clock. Have seen this in other games as well and wonder if we will start seeing a lot more of it from teams with PG's who can pressure and still stop penetration.

                      IMO Nate needed to pull Collison the last three minutes and put the ball in CoJo's hands. CoJo isn't the creator in the pick and roll Collison is but he is stronger with the basketball, will turn it over less and get the Pacers into the offense sooner.

                      Not sure if Sabonis is still a little injured but the road trip has been tough for him as well. Just kind of inconsistent and either playing well on offense but not on defense or tonight vice versa. Can't complain too much but the turnovers & fouls tonight definitely helped keep the Kings in the game.

                      Thought Myles played pretty good defense actually. The Pacers couldn't keep anybody in front of them in the first half and Myles did yeoman's work stopping penetration & contesting shots. Rebounding was decent as well. The last play was bad but part of it was CoJo kept giving ground and got in Myles way on the contest. Kind of left him in no man's land. Also think Myles needed to be in the game the last four minutes just because of the penetration threat even if it mean't playing with Sabonis. He & Sabonis would have had a nice stretch together in the 3rd if Evan's hadn't been on the court with them.

                      Starting to think there is something to the Evans/McDermott trust issue. Evans will pass to Bogie, CoJo etc. (occasionally) for the open three but won't even look at McBuckets...

                      Defending the three point line continues to be a problem for this team. Still some bad luck to it tonight when Jackson & Troy Williamson go 5 of 6.

                      Even when Oladipo comes back Myles needs to start hitting open jumpers with consistency....

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                      • #26
                        Pretty entertaining game but tough to beat a road team that is .500 when your number one option doesnt play.

                        We also just badly need a number two player at the 1 spot or preferably 4. Thad and DC just arent cutting it game to game...

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                        • #27
                          Sorry, don't get the complaining. Pacers lost, Bojan missed a shot, it happens. Seems silly to lose your mind over it.

                          One thing I did like from the game. The Domas, Bogey, CoJo, Doug, DC lineup. Fun to watch 5 very high BBIQ players at work. Doesn't always work, this lineup is dependent on shooting, and shooting comes and goes. But they do a very nice job of taking advantage of Kings errors or making the right cut or pass. Ability to adjust to the moment. Just all the things smart players do.
                          Last edited by xIndyFan; 12-03-2018, 10:54 AM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                            Could Darren have **** the bed more than he did those final two minutes? Wow. That's an infuriating loss.
                            I could be way off stat-wise, but my impression is that he seems to have that problem in tight situations.
                            "I mean, you'd walk into our dressing room and run into Mel Daniels holding a .45 -- it makes you wonder."

                            Bob Netolicky

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                            • #29
                              Unrelated: in a facebook war I just used the phrase: "You're making my point."

                              So Vnzla does have SOME value and purpose, lol.
                              "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                              • #30
                                There's not another single player on the team that has been an All-Star so we shouldn't be surprised that this team without Vic is mediocre. We're not the Boston Celtics of last year where they were able to still compete after Kyrie went down because they still had Horford.

                                Trying to look at the bright side here but the team is much better this year without Vic than they were without him last year. They were 0-8 without Vic last year so 3-4 IS an improvement.

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