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  • #46
    Originally posted by Strummer View Post

    Myles and Dipo were both named to the 35 member USA National Team roster this summer. The next Olympic team is expected to be chosen from those players. Myles seems to be highly thought of on a national level.
    So you're saying his trade value will never be higher?
    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Drew46229 View Post

      I think he was making the comparison between your negativity on Myles to OB's negativity about... well... everything? At least everything Indy sports.
      I know this is the "post-truth" culture we live in right now, but the fact is he said this: "Don't you know that Old Blu and Gold makes EVERY discussion a negative about Turner ??"

      Old Blu is a positive around Turner discussions. Not sure why, but he is.
      Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post

        So you're saying his trade value will never be higher?
        Your reading comprehension skills baffle me.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post

          No offense, but you've taken a position on Myles. That he isn't a good player. So when you watch him, you see what is bad, because that is what you are looking for. There is a rule for this kind of thing, something about fulfilled expectations.

          The ESPN guys are looking more at what a guy can do, rather than what he cannot do. That is why Karl-Anthony Towns is rated 17th, in spite of his bad post season, allegedly.

          Also, ESPN is listing guys on what they think they will do next season, not where they are now. It is more prediction and less analysis than SI Top 100. SI is listing the Top 100 players right now and ESPN is listing the players that will have the top 100 best seasons next season.
          Maybe you're right. I just think 48th in the league is very high for him. David West was ranked in that range in his hayday here and I have a hard time seeing how Myles is at that level. He seems to get ranked more on potential than actual impact because he is young.
          Lifelong pacers fan

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          • #50
            Originally posted by pacers_heath View Post

            Maybe you're right. I just think 48th in the league is very high for him. David West was ranked in that range in his hayday here and I have a hard time seeing how Myles is at that level. He seems to get ranked more on potential than actual impact because he is young.
            The first word title of the article is Predicting and you are complaining that it is based to much on potential? Reading is fundamental...

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post

              That's one way to look at it, but I think the reality is Sabonis is still undervalued nationally by a lot of people. 12 and 7 with good passing and solid shooting splits (though he needs to choke back the mid range jumper some), if he wasn't sharing time with Myles and Oladipo's star wasn't so bright right now, Domas would be a lot higher on all these lists. Especially these top 100 lists, once you get past 50 how do you even know? It's kinda silly.

              The Ringer did a list of 8 players in the NBA that could break out and both Myles and Sabonis were on it.

              Feels good to be a Pacer fan right now.
              I think this is the right answer. I would rate Myles and Sabonis as being on the same tier neck and neck with each other, and I would say they both have equal chances at breaking out and being an all-star this season. I think the only way you can rate one better than the other is if you have a personal preference for a certain style. In this arena, on a national scale, favors Myles tremendously over a player like Sabonis. Whereas I would say locally, a player like Sabonis would typically be rated higher than Myles. (nationally people tend to value flash while Hoosiers tend to value BBIQ)

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

                I think this is the right answer. I would rate Myles and Sabonis as being on the same tier neck and neck with each other, and I would say they both have equal chances at breaking out and being an all-star this season. I think the only way you can rate one better than the other is if you have a personal preference for a certain style. In this arena, on a national scale, favors Myles tremendously over a player like Sabonis. Whereas I would say locally, a player like Sabonis would typically be rated higher than Myles. (nationally people tend to value flash while Hoosiers tend to value BBIQ)
                ...

                Right. Hoosiers value substance, not flash.

                Right. Ha. HAHAaaha. HA.

                That's why they love Lance Stephenson. Who offered roughly zero substance.

                And they hated George Hill who was the definition of steady production on every aspect of the court while playing the most mundane basketball ever.

                That's why they threw a hissy fit when we signed Doug McDermott, and not an injured Boogie Cousins, who couldn't win games with ****ing Anthony Davis.

                Hoosiers may at one time appreciated basketball, all substance no flash. But today, you throw flashy passes that end up in the stands and shoot 27% from three, they'll love you. Play fundimental defense like GH3, be unselfish, literally do what the coaches tell you to the detriment of the team, sacrifice your own numbers, and put up with half the city talking **** about you about not "loving the city" enough despite his entire body being covered in tattoos giving Indy love... and well, Indiana fans will hate you.

                Sabonis dunks on PnRs. Indiana fans: OMG HE GOOD

                Myles shoots jumpers: "He's too flashy"



                This just in: Indiana stopped caring about substance a long time ago.

                Flash. Flah. Flash. Flash.

                Big names. Give us names.

                That's why Indiana fans hated Bill Polian who built thru the draft instead of signing over the hill awful free agents... Every year they complained about the best President in football.

                That's why Indiana fans want: Boogie Cousins, Kevin Love, Jabari Parker, and a long list of flashy players that aren't actually good at basketball.

                While ignoring the value of guys like Thad Young who coincidentally destroyed our fan bases favorite trade target in the playoffs.
                Last edited by mattie; 09-21-2018, 12:55 AM.

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                • #53
                  I mean there's nothing wrong with wanting that. I get it.

                  But the Indiana fan base does not appreciate fundamental basketball in the least bit.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

                    I think this is the right answer. I would rate Myles and Sabonis as being on the same tier neck and neck with each other, and I would say they both have equal chances at breaking out and being an all-star this season. I think the only way you can rate one better than the other is if you have a personal preference for a certain style. In this arena, on a national scale, favors Myles tremendously over a player like Sabonis. Whereas I would say locally, a player like Sabonis would typically be rated higher than Myles. (nationally people tend to value flash while Hoosiers tend to value BBIQ)
                    I disagree with this assessment for two reaons. First is defense. I think Myles offers much more on the defensive side of the ball especially rim protection. Second is Domas’ inability to go left. If he lost his left hand, his game would not really change a whole lot. That is a big hole that needs to be fixed.

                    One of of these issues can be fixed and the other probably can’t. So right now I value Myles a lot more than Domas, but it could get closer if Domas becomes more ambidextrous.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by mattie View Post
                      I mean there's nothing wrong with wanting that. I get it.

                      But the Indiana fan base does not appreciate fundamental basketball in the least bit.
                      Enough with the insults to the fan base. Indiana appreciates hard work, a good attitude and toughness.

                      The Indiana fans didn't start the Hill controversy. Nobody had any feelings on that topic until he expressed his feelings that Indy was a "hating city" and he clearly did not want to come here. So no, he isn't going to get love when he sure didn't reciprocate when the Pacers reached out to him. So, he had a terrible attitude coming to Indiana and that is a FACT. People were offended and do not forget that.

                      Myles is probably well liked generally. But he's soft as a cream puff while Sabonis is as tough as nails. We hear Sabonis is looking good. I sure hope Myles has worked on his paper thin frame and string bean arms this summer.

                      Lance is all of that. That's why he gets louder cheers than anyone. He's tougher than any of these players. He has a great attitude and works harder on the floor and in practices. So yeh, dude is the bomb with fans.
                      Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                        Lance is all of that. That's why he gets louder cheers than anyone. He's tougher than any of these players. He has a great attitude and works harder on the floor and in practices. So yeh, dude is the bomb with fans.
                        Nope, gotta agree with Mattie here. Lance is popular because he's unpredictable and has flash and swagger. If he was just another hard worker who kept his head down and played straight ball at his current level he'd be liked (a lot) but not loved.
                        BillS

                        A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                        Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                        • #57
                          nm


                          This is all.
                          Last edited by mattie; 09-21-2018, 10:52 AM.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by BillS View Post

                            Nope, gotta agree with Mattie here. Lance is popular because he's unpredictable and has flash and swagger. If he was just another hard worker who kept his head down and played straight ball at his current level he'd be liked (a lot) but not loved.
                            I liked this comment because I think you're right: Lance is loved for the flash and excitement. But he also has the qualities Hoosiers love. If he didn't, the fans wouldn't be as fawning. He struggles with his outside shot, and that's the main reason he isn't as highly valued by discerning fans and management. So that "hard working" piece is missing. And I've complained about it many times.
                            "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                              Myles is probably well liked generally. But he's soft as a cream puff while Sabonis is as tough as nails.
                              And here you go again. The truth for both is quite far from this.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by BillS View Post

                                Nope, gotta agree with Mattie here. Lance is popular because he's unpredictable and has flash and swagger. If he was just another hard worker who kept his head down and played straight ball at his current level he'd be liked (a lot) but not loved.
                                Lance is a novelty for Indiana fans. He is the exception to the rule. To every rule. I don't think you can conclude that Indiana likes flash when he's the only beloved Pacer who had flash. Dale Davis, Vern Fleming, Reggie Miller, Jeff Foster, Brad Miller (yes they loved him) and Danny Granger among others. There is no flash there. JO had swagger and talked all summer about how great he was, but I would argue he wasn't that popular.. I would argue that Dale Davis was more popular with a lot of hard core fans.

                                Edit: Don't forget the street cred Granger got by busting his mouth on the floor. That brought his toughness level up to near legend status. Right or wrong.

                                ...and Reggie talked trash but he didn't play the game with flash. He just shot extremely well. Another example is Haywood Workman. People loved that guy.
                                Last edited by BlueNGold; 09-21-2018, 06:37 PM.
                                Vnzla81: Yep pretty much, they cut him because they were going to get "their guy" they couldn't get option 1,2,3,4,5 then they went to Lance he said "no thanks" and they had no other choice but to get Lance 2.0 for three times the cost.

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