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  • #76
    Re: Pacers sign Travis Diener

    draft profile:

    http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/travisdiener.asp

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    Travis Diener
    Birthdate: 3/1/82
    NBA Position: Point Guard
    College: Marquette
    Class: Senior
    Ht: 6-1
    Wt: 175
    Hometown: Fond du Lac, WI
    High School: Goodrich
    Team Site Profile 2004 Stats

    NBA Comparison: Dan Dickau

    Size- At MU Diener is listed at 6'1", but in high school he was listed at 5'11". I assume he's somewhere in between-approximately 6'0", which would make him about two inches shorter then the average point guard. He does not play bigger then his listed height (as opposed to former teammate Dwyane Wade, a nearly 6'5" guard who plays like he's 6'7" or taller), as he possess an average wingspan and below-average leaping ability. His strength could also be an issue. Before his senior season (he'll be 23 in March), he weighed 160-165 lbs. He has noticeably bulked up, and now weighs about 175, but he still is much physically weaker then just about every NBA point guard, and he lacks the blazing quickness of other lithe guards, such as Allen Iverson or Tony Parker.

    Wingspan/Hands-Travis appears to only have only an average wingspan, which is a tremendous detriment to undersized players. Many players a few inches shorter compensate by having a long wingspan, thus making them play bigger then their listed height, i.e. the 6'61/2" Josh Howard with a 7'2" wingspan lets him play like he's 6'9". For points, long arms help them interfere in passing lanes. However, Diener will not have this advantage. But to his credit, he deflects a good deal of passes, much more than someone with his height and wingspan would indicate. Another glaring weakness he has are his small hands. He can't palm a ball, making penetration more difficult, although his game isn't based on drives.

    Overall Defense- His defense at the collegiate level is above par, mainly due to his tremendous effort. Diener possessed slightly above-average quickness in college, but in the NBA that will likely be below average. He'll suffer against players like Tony Parker or Stephon Marbury, who'll blow by him at their whim. As mentioned already, he has active hands, which cause a good deal of steals and deflections. His hustle is impressive, he never takes a possession off, always goes 100% on defense, which many college stars don't. Travis has a blue-collar mentality, and isn't afraid to defend anyone, but his physical limitations are troubling.


    Overall Offense-Travis' offensive potential is far superior to his defense. His long-range shooting is dynamite, as he displays range several feet behind the NBA three-point line and a sniper-like release. He frequently needs to carry MU's often anemic and dysfunctional offense. He shoots 39% from three, and that number would be much higher if he had an offensively competent post player (the leading primarily "interior" scorer is freshman Ryan Amoroso at a paltry 6.5 ppg). MU's offense frequently gets bogged down with him in, forcing Diener into tough shots, also lowering his percentage. But without Diener, the Golden Eagles don't have any flow to their offense at all. Travis' driving ability suffers due to his lack of quickness and a good first step. When he does penetrate, he exhibits grit, determination, and isn't afraid to attack players a foot taller. His free-throw shooting, when he gets to the line, is outstanding. However, there are have been games in which he attempts 10 to 15 throws, and games in which he doesn't get to the line at all. Despite excelling at long range shots, his mid-range game is surprisingly sound. His passing ability is okay, but nothing great. His transition passing is also adequate, but it won't ever be confused with Steve Nash or Jason Kidd. What he does exceptionally well in the full court is stop and shoot from three-point range, although he can often get carried away. Due to his small size and somewhat slow feet, his penetrate and pass ability won't ever be great. Dwyane Wade was much better at driving and dishing. Despite his weaknesses, his overall offense is among the best in the NCAA, especially considering his weak supporting cast.

    Athleticism-Diener's athleticism is a good deal below average by NBA standards. His speed and quickness are okay if he where 6'5", but its pretty bad for a six-footer, and a little below average for the typical 6'2" point guard. He might have trouble getting enough space to release his jumper due to his small stature and lack of agility, although his rapid release will probably help compensate for this. Travis' leaping ability is mediocre for a college player, but borderline atrocious for an NBAer. He has never (in the 20 plus games that I've seen) had an in-game dunk, and its doubtful he has ever thrown one down.

    Versatility-Another weakness for Travis, as his height forces him to play point guard despite owning skills that would be more appropriate for a shooting guard. He could play off the ball if the teams point guard was capable of guarding twos. On defense he could only guard point guards.

    Experience-He's a three-year starter at MU who is in the top two in scoring in program history, and probably will be number one at season's end. He will be twenty three in early March, meaning he was a year behind in school (he did not redshirt). He isn't very raw, but he could conceivably improve in strength and maybe nimbleness. Diener also could improve his currently superb shooting skills, by, practice, man.

    Effort-Travis' effort is fantastic. He goes all-out at every minute of the game. He never gives up, wether Marquette leads by twenty or loses by twenty. His decision making has greatly improved since he first became the starter as a sophomore, after playing mostly shooting guard as a freshmen. His shooting has always remained about the same, although he as a soph he had much better teammates, and took better shots. Despite this, his percentage this year is higher, but less then last year, as he has become more aggressive finding his offense.

    Intangibles-Diener's the unquestioned emotional leader of his team. If teammate Steve Novak had Diener's heart, he'd be a 22 ppg 8 rpg player. His fiery demeanor spreads to everyone on the team. He has a decent basketball IQ, maybe a shade above average for an NBA player. Travis has a swagger to his game that few hold. He is very coachable and well-like by the entire MU basketball community.

    NBA comparison-Travis will likely have a career similar to New Orleans' Dan Dickau or Atlanta's Tyronn Lue. He has Dickau's shooting touch with athleticism closer to (but not at) Lue's level.


    Bottom Line-Diener will likely be a career backup, maybe a starter for a his prime years. Won't ever be a stud due to his physical limits, he'll find a niche in the NBA as a long-range bomber if zones are still in use. His prime years could see him produce numbers like 11 ppg 4 apg 1 rpg 1 spg. Another alternate for Travis is Europe, which is more congruent to his game. Oversees whe could put up close to his college numbers, and may make more money.
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    • #77
      Re: Pacers sign Travis Diener

      Not to excited about this signing.

      McLeod or Pargo were the guys I really wanted.

      I really don't know that Diener is any better than Andre Owens. Seriously I wonder.

      Hopefully Diener suprises us, that's all I got to say.

      As much as I am not excited about this signing it isn't that bad. When you look at what we need, one of our needs is a backup point guard. Take a look at the free agent opitions and you have Pargo, McLeod, Brevin Knight, Dee Brown, Diener, Earl Boykins, Charlie Bell, Jeff McInnis, and Derek Fisher.

      Bell will probably be out of our price range, Fisher wanted to go to LA or NY, McInnis seems to have an attitude problem, Knight is not a good fit, Boykins will likely want more money then we wanted to spend. Dee Brown is likely to stay in Utah and not any better then any of the guys on the list. Unproven.

      That leaves you with McLeod, Pargo, and Diener. I have no idea why we wouldn't/couldn't sign either McLeod or Pargo but I guess we couldn't and that left us with Diener. Hurray.

      This may not be the big change everyone is anticipating but so what quit crying about it. We signed a backup point guard which is something we needed. I'm sure if the right deal for Jermaine comes along we will make the deal so just be paitent. It's a long summer that is only about half way over. Training Camp isn't until October. We still have 2 1/2 months for something to get done.
      Last edited by Young; 07-19-2007, 02:17 PM.

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      • #78
        Re: Pacers sign Travis Diener

        I think this is the 3rd or 4th point guard....still think we will sign McLeod if the price is resonable.
        Go Pacers!

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        • #79
          Re: Pacers sign Travis Diener

          Well, you have your shooter and your backup PG.

          The league better watch out.

          Seriously - until this thread got to about 70 replies (didn't read it until then) I thought he'd been signed to a camp invite - three years???
          The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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          • #80
            Re: Pacers sign Travis Diener

            I'll beat that old dead horse I still think the Pacers will get either Crittenden or Farmar in a JO trade. Personally I hope Crittenden.

            As I see it whether that occurs or not signing Owens and Diener prob 2 year 1.5 mil total with 3rd year option , I think both Armstrong and McLeod are history here.

            I'd not be surprised to see Armstrong end up in Orlando.

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            • #81
              Re: Pacers sign Travis Diener

              Me, I really like Travis Deiner. Always have. I wouldn't be upset at all if he was a No. 2 PG. It's only 12-15 minutes a game, and he can put up 12-15 points in that span on a hot night. If he gets lit up defensively, put in Quis, or whoever else.

              My biggest question, with Tinsley's history, is what happens when Diener is needed to start for > 10 games at a time. That worries me.

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              • #82
                Re: Pacers sign Travis Diener

                Originally posted by BobbyMac View Post
                I think this is the 3rd or 4th point guard....still think we will sign McLeod if the price is resonable.
                That would make me feel a lot better. But we're running out of money.
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                • #83
                  Re: Pacers sign Travis Diener

                  First off...Isn't DA coming back to be in that PG rotation?

                  Second...I think a better comparison than Cabbage would be a guy like Tim Legler. He's not quite that great of a shooter, of course, but he is one of the best in the league and would routinely knock down 4 or 5 per night at Marquette (a closer line, I know, but I watched A TON of Marquette basketball back then and trust me, he has PLENTY of range). 45% in this offense is not over-estimating his ability, IMO.

                  I think given 10 mpg in this offense, he'll be helpful. He couldn't have a better coach than J'OB, so we'll see if he ever gets on the court. Because he is definitely in the Eddie House/Salim Stoudamire category of someone that will never see many minutes because of poor defense. And unlike them, it's not that he doesn't know where to stand/what to do, he's just too slow to do it. Putting him on the floor with Tins is probably not possible, but if Quis is gonna get some run at the point, he could be a nice guy to open the lane and keep wing defenders from sagging.

                  The three years seems pretty ridiculous and unnecessary, but it can't be for over $5 million, so it's not anything to really get upset about. All and all, he's a heady kid who knows the game and can knock em down from damn near half-court, so we could have a worse guy as our 11th man.

                  And if all else fails, it's at least one more guy the probably won't get arrested at least.
                  Last edited by JayRedd; 07-19-2007, 02:42 PM.
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                  • #84
                    Re: Pacers sign Travis Diener

                    C'mon guys, let' give the little fella a break. He's our scrawny,
                    pasty white version of O'B's old sharp-shooter, Dana Barros.

                    And besides, he should be able to defend the better NBA PG's
                    at least as well as Jeff Van Gundy put the shackles on Zo
                    Mourning way back when !
                    Last edited by Rajah Brown; 07-19-2007, 02:52 PM.

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                    • #85
                      Re: Pacers sign Travis Diener

                      Originally posted by Kraft View Post
                      Me, I really like Travis Deiner. Always have. I wouldn't be upset at all if he was a No. 2 PG. It's only 12-15 minutes a game, and he can put up 12-15 points in that span on a hot night. If he gets lit up defensively, put in Quis, or whoever else.

                      My biggest question, with Tinsley's history, is what happens when Diener is needed to start for > 10 games at a time. That worries me.
                      He's played 49 games in two years (zero games missed to injuries), and you're comfortable with playing him every night?

                      Take a look at his game log, playing behind Nelson and Arroyo. It's sobering.

                      http://www.nba.com/playerfile/travis...ame_stats.html
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                      • #86
                        Re: Pacers sign Travis Diener

                        Originally posted by blanket View Post
                        Wow, 2 summers in a row a PD request gets honored. First UB gets Daniels and now LG gets Diener. Further proof that TPTB read PD?!?

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                        • #87
                          Re: Pacers sign Travis Diener

                          Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
                          Whats wrong with you Cable? You actually want to discuss a player and not *****. What kind of board do you think this is? Oh wait . . .
                          I'm just trying to take the high-road here. As UB said....we can't really judge the guy until we see what he can do.

                          One thing I noticed that has really stuck out that no one has brought up is that in the 2 full seasons that he has played in Orlando...he only played in 49 games. I'm checking on the RealGM Magic board to find out why that is.

                          From what I can read in ( what had become ) the "Travis Deiner Appreciation" thread on the RealGM Magic board, he's seems to be riding the pine behind some other Guards and never had a chance to really prove himself and was more of a casualty of roster limiations that the Magic have and not because he sucked or anything. What's also good is that he seems to have a good following there as a good charecter guy and player that simply never had a chance to show what he could do.
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                          • #88
                            Re: Pacers sign Travis Diener

                            I guess were trying for the lottery again next year ? ...maybe we wont trade that pick away before the trade deadline...
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                            • #89
                              Re: Pacers sign Travis Diener

                              Speaking of comparisons, I found the reason Larry signed him.

                              http://www.nba.com/magic/news/Get_to...45776-800.html

                              We have heard everyone compare you to Scott Skiles – do you compare yourself to him?
                              "In some ways. That is an extreme compliment for me when people compare me to guys like that because he is a great player. The similarities are that he is competitive and he is a hard worker, and I am grateful that people would say that about me. That is a great compliment for me.”
                              Hey, Lar, we wanted him as a coach!

                              (And don't for one second think that Travis has one-tenth of the ability Skiles had.)
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                              • #90
                                Re: Pacers sign Travis Diener

                                Wow, really suprised at the Magic fan's comments on RealGM. They love this guy.

                                http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=693808

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