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  • blanket
    Expect Delays
    • Feb 2004
    • 1829

    Re: The Official JO trade rumors/speculation/discussion thread

    JO for Alston/Battier/Head/Sura/Lucas would work, although it wouldn't give us a big to replace JO's shot blocking.
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    • Bball
      Jimmy did what Jimmy did
      • Jan 2004
      • 26903

      Re: The Official JO trade rumors/speculation/discussion thread

      "It has been long rumored that Indiana might buy out veteran Darrell Armstrong, who has two years remaining on his deal. The 39-year-old has many of the skills the Nets would need, but Thorn cannot comment on a player still under contract with another team..."

      Buyout? I thought we owned the option in the contract?

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      • Doug
        Member
        • Jan 2004
        • 4025

        Re: The Official JO trade rumors/speculation/discussion thread

        Originally posted by naptownmenace
        Am I the only one that is sickened by that prospected NJ Nets deal? I'm not sold on Krstic and I'm not sure that Jefferson will be enough. Ultimately, I think having those two players would make the Pacers considerably worse and without any salary relief.
        Nope. I hated that trade.

        The quote from Donnie posted above about how we would only do the trade if we could move RJ somewhere else makes sense to me.
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        • bulldog
          Member
          • Jan 2006
          • 1580

          Re: The Official JO trade rumors/speculation/discussion thread

          Originally posted by Anthem
          Wow, no kidding. Put Bynum Brigade on suicide watch.
          Are all these quotes coming from the fact that one writer chose to use the word "persuade"? If anything, it seems like he was just throwing this idea out there, which suggests he's not very in the loop on this one.

          I think you guys are a little off base. Not saying the trade will happen, but it's a ridiculous to be jumping all over the LA kids because of this source.

          Originally posted by Doug
          Nope. I hated that trade.

          The quote from Donnie posted above about how we would only do the trade if we could move RJ somewhere else makes sense to me.
          I agree with both aspects of that, Doug. I don't want RJeff, but moving him on makes sense. Maybe swing him to the Mavs for Devin Harris? That would be a nice PG fix for us, and I've heard they've been dangling him while looking for a swingman scorer to take pressure off Dirk. RJ's a playoff and finals tested swingman that can score at the rim, maybe they'd be interested? It's just his contract that doesn't really work for us.

          Getting Nenad and Devin Harris as part of a JO package would seem great to me though.

          Edit: This works in ESPN trade checker. We get Harris, Krstic, and DJ Mbenga from the Mavs, who get R Jeff, and we get a ton of filler with small, expiring contracts (and some prospects). Maybe a draft pick or two our way. Details on the trade board: http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-...429#post584429.
          Last edited by bulldog; 08-03-2007, 12:21 PM.
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          • Kegboy
            How are you here?
            • Jan 2004
            • 12997

            Re: The Official JO trade rumors/speculation/discussion thread

            Originally posted by bulldog
            Are all these quotes coming from the fact that one writer chose to use the word "persuade"? If anything, it seems like he was just throwing this idea out there, which suggests he's not very in the loop on this one.
            Who would be "in the loop"? The only writer people would argue is Vecsey, and he said this trade was a done deal 2 months ago.
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            • count55
              100 Miles from the B
              • Jun 2007
              • 5773

              Re: The Official JO trade rumors/speculation/discussion thread

              Originally posted by blanket
              JO for Alston/Battier/Head/Sura/Lucas would work, although it wouldn't give us a big to replace JO's shot blocking.
              Wow...what an awful trade for the Pacers.

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              • bulldog
                Member
                • Jan 2006
                • 1580

                Re: The Official JO trade rumors/speculation/discussion thread

                Originally posted by Kegboy
                Who would be "in the loop"? The only writer people would argue is Vecsey, and he said this trade was a done deal 2 months ago.
                Sure, I just meant that if we're going to dissect his words, he seems to suggest almost that he just threw this out there, that its his idea or that he's passing along something he read briefly, which means he hasn't been paying attention to the ongoing JO to LA saga too much, so his words shouldn't really be dissected.

                Honestly, even I'm kinda confused by what I meant. I guess my point is to not look at it too closely.
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                • oneofthesedays
                  Member
                  • Jun 2007
                  • 129

                  Re: The Official JO trade rumors/speculation/discussion thread

                  First of all that article is bogus. The Lakers don't have to "persuade" the Pacers on a LO+AB trade. That's what Walsh has been wanting all along. Walsh needs to persuade the Lakers to make that deal.

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                  • Purple & Gold
                    Member
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 112

                    Re: The Official JO trade rumors/speculation/discussion thread

                    Originally posted by CableKC
                    Not that some Pacer fans don't overvalue JONeal, but the way I see it is that Laker fans are willing to overvalue Bynum and tout him as the next future all-star but will undervalue JONeal and what impact that he could have in the next 2-3 seasons if he were in a Laker uniform.

                    I am one of the few here in PD that would begrudingly accept a JONeal trade centered around a Bynum+Kwame+Crit+future considerations.....but just like you say that we are overvaluing JONeal...you are doing the exact same for Bynum.

                    The difference is that you're doing it based SOLELY on potential and what he could do in the future ( for both Bynum and to a greater extent Crittenton ) when we already know that JONeal is a proven 20ppg/9rpg/2bpg player. Name me any other player that doesn't put up those numbers that wouldn't have significant value.

                    Heck, even if JONeal plays 2/3 of the season over the next 2 seasons ( the time that the Lakers have before Kobe can opt out ), I am pretty sure that with a Kobe/LO/JONeal combo would get the Lakers further in the Playoffs then a Kobe/LO/Bynum combo would in the same timeframe ( if not further ). The difference is that you can hit the ground running with a proven 20ppg/9rpg/2bpg PF or do the same with a 8ppg/6rpg/1.5bpg Center that is still learning the ropes. Don't get me wrong, I think that Bynum COULD be a solid Center of the future....the only question is how long it will take him to do it. That's the question you have to ask yourself....do you honestly think that Bynum will develop into the player that the Lakers need before Kobe has the option to opt out? I think he can be...I just don't think that he will reach the same level that JONeal is at right now in a short period of time.

                    But just like the Pacers FO has to decide whether to "stay put" or "rebuild".....I think the Lakers FO has to decide whether they want to "win now" or hopefully "win later".

                    One more thing, before you bring up the "injury-prone" stuff about JONeal, I have no doubt in my mind that if the offense did not run through JONeal ( like it does here in Indy but wouldn't be the same on the Lakers ) where he was not double-teamed as much and wouldn't have to work so hard on the offensive end, he could easily average 70+ games a season.
                    Well let's compare JO to Bynum

                    JO - proven
                    Bynum - potential
                    JO - huge contract
                    Bynum - rookie contract
                    JO - injury prone
                    Bynum - not injury prone
                    JO - not a true center
                    Bynum - true center
                    JO - jumpshooter
                    Bynum - back to the basket game

                    JO's defense is much better as of right now, but Bynum has showed that he has the potential to be a very good defense player as well. I know you say you believe JO will not get injured, but that is the same as Bynum's potential. They are both unknowns. As you don't want to take a chance on Bynum's potential the same risk exists with JO's health concerns. And to be honest I'd rather gamble on Bynum's potential then JO's health.

                    With all this talk about how Bynum will not develop in time before Kobe can opt out, well I say first of all Kobe is on a grandfathered contract and I doubt he will opt out of it. Lots of money for him to lose. And let's say you believe Kobe will opt out, if we get JO and he finds out he's not the answer then Kobe will still opt out anyways. Then we are stuck with no future, no Kobe, plus JO's huge contract. Not a very nice looking future at all.

                    So I understand why you don't want to trade JO, but please don't act like the Lakers must make a trade just to make a trade and accept any offer the Pacers throw at them.

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                    • Purple & Gold
                      Member
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 112

                      Re: The Official JO trade rumors/speculation/discussion thread

                      Originally posted by CableKC
                      It's entirely possible that he can make a similar jump....but it's also entirely possible that he won't.

                      Can you explain to me why Bynum didn't get more minutes as the season progressed and why his scoring #s didn't improve as the season ended?

                      If he is ready to make that jump...why doesn't Phil play him more?

                      I'm not asking as a "hater" ( or even disagreeing with you ), I'm asking only because I can go off of what I see in what he produced last season. He started off before the ASB with an 8.4ppg/6.6rpg/1.65bpg average then ended up averaging 6.6ppg/5.5rpg/1.4bpg after the ASB. Averaging these #s in his sophmore year is pretty good considering that he didn't really play in this rookie season.....but there wasn't any significant improvement over the course of the season ( especially since his performance seemed to slow down a little towards the end of the season ), that can guarantee that he will put up better #s in his 3rd season. I guess the answer is that he's a Big Man...and they...especially young ones....take time to develop.

                      Again...the question is...does Kobe have the patience to wait it out?
                      It was mainly due to the fact that Bynum has played very little organized basketball and that his stamina was just not there. Also that the Lakers were making a push for the playoffs and didn't have the luxury of playing youngsters unless absolutely a must. He seems to have been working on that though.

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                      • Trader Joe
                        DIET COKE!
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 46892

                        Re: The Official JO trade rumors/speculation/discussion thread

                        Originally posted by Purple & Gold
                        Well let's compare JO to Bynum

                        JO - proven
                        Bynum - potential
                        JO - huge contract
                        Bynum - rookie contract
                        JO - injury prone
                        Bynum - not injury prone
                        JO - not a true center
                        Bynum - true center
                        JO - jumpshooter
                        Bynum - back to the basket game

                        JO's defense is much better as of right now, but Bynum has showed that he has the potential to be a very good defense player as well. I know you say you believe JO will not get injured, but that is the same as Bynum's potential. They are both unknowns. As you don't want to take a chance on Bynum's potential the same risk exists with JO's health concerns. And to be honest I'd rather gamble on Bynum's potential then JO's health.

                        With all this talk about how Bynum will not develop in time before Kobe can opt out, well I say first of all Kobe is on a grandfathered contract and I doubt he will opt out of it. Lots of money for him to lose. And let's say you believe Kobe will opt out, if we get JO and he finds out he's not the answer then Kobe will still opt out anyways. Then we are stuck with no future, no Kobe, plus JO's huge contract. Not a very nice looking future at all.

                        So I understand why you don't want to trade JO, but please don't act like the Lakers must make a trade just to make a trade and accept any offer the Pacers throw at them.
                        BYnum has played all of two season at no where near the minutes JO has played. Using not being injury prone as an advantage for Bynum is a dumb argument. JO probably wouldn't have been considered injury prone in Portland either his first two seasons.


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                        • Trader Joe
                          DIET COKE!
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 46892

                          Re: The Official JO trade rumors/speculation/discussion thread

                          Originally posted by blanket
                          JO for Alston/Battier/Head/Sura/Lucas would work, although it wouldn't give us a big to replace JO's shot blocking.
                          I'd stop being a Pacer fan until Bird and Walsh died if that trade happened.


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                          • avoidingtheclowns
                            streets ahead
                            • Jul 2006
                            • 6118

                            Re: The Official JO trade rumors/speculation/discussion thread

                            Originally posted by indy0731
                            BYnum has played all of two season at no where near the minutes JO has played. Using not being injury prone as an advantage for Bynum is a dumb argument. JO probably wouldn't have been considered injury prone in Portland either his first two seasons.
                            i would consider bynum's oliver-miller-esque conditioning to cancel out JOs injury history. sure bynum's conditioning could improve (nene's did this season...oddly after he signed a contract) but injured or not, JO could give you 19 and 9 without much help around him (see 06-07 Pacers season). bynum sucking air gonna give us that much per night? nope.
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                            • naptownmenace
                              Member
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 5753

                              Re: The Official JO trade rumors/speculation/discussion thread

                              Originally posted by bulldog
                              Sure, I just meant that if we're going to dissect his words, he seems to suggest almost that he just threw this out there, that its his idea or that he's passing along something he read briefly, which means he hasn't been paying attention to the ongoing JO to LA saga too much, so his words shouldn't really be dissected.

                              Honestly, even I'm kinda confused by what I meant. I guess my point is to not look at it too closely.
                              It's not your fault. It was a poorly written article.

                              The writer just seemed to rehash the previously JO trade rumors that have been circling for the past month and a half. I bet he doesn't even know that the Nets signed Magloire last month.

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                              • Bynum Brigade
                                Member
                                • Jun 2007
                                • 104

                                Re: The Official JO trade rumors/speculation/discussion thread

                                This deal for me is officialy over and it should be for the rest of the Laker fans too. It has become obvious Walsh is not going to back off his demands. It is time for us Lakers to look elsewhere or get used to the fact Bynum will be in LA next season unless the tide changes. To all of you Pacer fans, a genuine good luck in getting a good deal from NJ or keeping JO.



                                Goodbye,
                                Bynum Brigade.


                                P.S. I will be back during the season to rub it in your face when Bynum is putting up 15/10/3

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