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"It has been long rumored that Indiana might buy out veteran Darrell Armstrong, who has two years remaining on his deal. The 39-year-old has many of the skills the Nets would need, but Thorn cannot comment on a player still under contract with another team..."
Buyout? I thought we owned the option in the contract?
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The quote from Donnie posted above about how we would only do the trade if we could move RJ somewhere else makes sense to me.You're caught up in the Internet / you think it's such a great asset / but you're wrong, wrong, wrong
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Are all these quotes coming from the fact that one writer chose to use the word "persuade"? If anything, it seems like he was just throwing this idea out there, which suggests he's not very in the loop on this one.
I think you guys are a little off base. Not saying the trade will happen, but it's a ridiculous to be jumping all over the LA kids because of this source.
Getting Nenad and Devin Harris as part of a JO package would seem great to me though.
Edit: This works in ESPN trade checker. We get Harris, Krstic, and DJ Mbenga from the Mavs, who get R Jeff, and we get a ton of filler with small, expiring contracts (and some prospects). Maybe a draft pick or two our way. Details on the trade board: http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-...429#post584429.Last edited by bulldog; 08-03-2007, 12:21 PM.2010 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champion Baltimore BulldogsComment
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Who would be "in the loop"? The only writer people would argue is Vecsey, and he said this trade was a done deal 2 months ago.Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!
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Honestly, even I'm kinda confused by what I meant. I guess my point is to not look at it too closely.2010 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champion Baltimore BulldogsComment
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First of all that article is bogus. The Lakers don't have to "persuade" the Pacers on a LO+AB trade. That's what Walsh has been wanting all along. Walsh needs to persuade the Lakers to make that deal.Comment
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Not that some Pacer fans don't overvalue JONeal, but the way I see it is that Laker fans are willing to overvalue Bynum and tout him as the next future all-star but will undervalue JONeal and what impact that he could have in the next 2-3 seasons if he were in a Laker uniform.
I am one of the few here in PD that would begrudingly accept a JONeal trade centered around a Bynum+Kwame+Crit+future considerations.....but just like you say that we are overvaluing JONeal...you are doing the exact same for Bynum.
The difference is that you're doing it based SOLELY on potential and what he could do in the future ( for both Bynum and to a greater extent Crittenton ) when we already know that JONeal is a proven 20ppg/9rpg/2bpg player. Name me any other player that doesn't put up those numbers that wouldn't have significant value.
Heck, even if JONeal plays 2/3 of the season over the next 2 seasons ( the time that the Lakers have before Kobe can opt out ), I am pretty sure that with a Kobe/LO/JONeal combo would get the Lakers further in the Playoffs then a Kobe/LO/Bynum combo would in the same timeframe ( if not further ). The difference is that you can hit the ground running with a proven 20ppg/9rpg/2bpg PF or do the same with a 8ppg/6rpg/1.5bpg Center that is still learning the ropes. Don't get me wrong, I think that Bynum COULD be a solid Center of the future....the only question is how long it will take him to do it. That's the question you have to ask yourself....do you honestly think that Bynum will develop into the player that the Lakers need before Kobe has the option to opt out? I think he can be...I just don't think that he will reach the same level that JONeal is at right now in a short period of time.
But just like the Pacers FO has to decide whether to "stay put" or "rebuild".....I think the Lakers FO has to decide whether they want to "win now" or hopefully "win later".
One more thing, before you bring up the "injury-prone" stuff about JONeal, I have no doubt in my mind that if the offense did not run through JONeal ( like it does here in Indy but wouldn't be the same on the Lakers ) where he was not double-teamed as much and wouldn't have to work so hard on the offensive end, he could easily average 70+ games a season.
JO - proven
Bynum - potential
JO - huge contract
Bynum - rookie contract
JO - injury prone
Bynum - not injury prone
JO - not a true center
Bynum - true center
JO - jumpshooter
Bynum - back to the basket game
JO's defense is much better as of right now, but Bynum has showed that he has the potential to be a very good defense player as well. I know you say you believe JO will not get injured, but that is the same as Bynum's potential. They are both unknowns. As you don't want to take a chance on Bynum's potential the same risk exists with JO's health concerns. And to be honest I'd rather gamble on Bynum's potential then JO's health.
With all this talk about how Bynum will not develop in time before Kobe can opt out, well I say first of all Kobe is on a grandfathered contract and I doubt he will opt out of it. Lots of money for him to lose. And let's say you believe Kobe will opt out, if we get JO and he finds out he's not the answer then Kobe will still opt out anyways. Then we are stuck with no future, no Kobe, plus JO's huge contract. Not a very nice looking future at all.
So I understand why you don't want to trade JO, but please don't act like the Lakers must make a trade just to make a trade and accept any offer the Pacers throw at them.Comment
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It's entirely possible that he can make a similar jump....but it's also entirely possible that he won't.
Can you explain to me why Bynum didn't get more minutes as the season progressed and why his scoring #s didn't improve as the season ended?
If he is ready to make that jump...why doesn't Phil play him more?
I'm not asking as a "hater" ( or even disagreeing with you ), I'm asking only because I can go off of what I see in what he produced last season. He started off before the ASB with an 8.4ppg/6.6rpg/1.65bpg average then ended up averaging 6.6ppg/5.5rpg/1.4bpg after the ASB. Averaging these #s in his sophmore year is pretty good considering that he didn't really play in this rookie season.....but there wasn't any significant improvement over the course of the season ( especially since his performance seemed to slow down a little towards the end of the season ), that can guarantee that he will put up better #s in his 3rd season. I guess the answer is that he's a Big Man...and they...especially young ones....take time to develop.
Again...the question is...does Kobe have the patience to wait it out?Comment
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Well let's compare JO to Bynum
JO - proven
Bynum - potential
JO - huge contract
Bynum - rookie contract
JO - injury prone
Bynum - not injury prone
JO - not a true center
Bynum - true center
JO - jumpshooter
Bynum - back to the basket game
JO's defense is much better as of right now, but Bynum has showed that he has the potential to be a very good defense player as well. I know you say you believe JO will not get injured, but that is the same as Bynum's potential. They are both unknowns. As you don't want to take a chance on Bynum's potential the same risk exists with JO's health concerns. And to be honest I'd rather gamble on Bynum's potential then JO's health.
With all this talk about how Bynum will not develop in time before Kobe can opt out, well I say first of all Kobe is on a grandfathered contract and I doubt he will opt out of it. Lots of money for him to lose. And let's say you believe Kobe will opt out, if we get JO and he finds out he's not the answer then Kobe will still opt out anyways. Then we are stuck with no future, no Kobe, plus JO's huge contract. Not a very nice looking future at all.
So I understand why you don't want to trade JO, but please don't act like the Lakers must make a trade just to make a trade and accept any offer the Pacers throw at them.
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i would consider bynum's oliver-miller-esque conditioning to cancel out JOs injury history. sure bynum's conditioning could improve (nene's did this season...oddly after he signed a contract) but injured or not, JO could give you 19 and 9 without much help around him (see 06-07 Pacers season). bynum sucking air gonna give us that much per night? nope.This is the darkest timeline.Comment
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Sure, I just meant that if we're going to dissect his words, he seems to suggest almost that he just threw this out there, that its his idea or that he's passing along something he read briefly, which means he hasn't been paying attention to the ongoing JO to LA saga too much, so his words shouldn't really be dissected.
Honestly, even I'm kinda confused by what I meant. I guess my point is to not look at it too closely.
The writer just seemed to rehash the previously JO trade rumors that have been circling for the past month and a half. I bet he doesn't even know that the Nets signed Magloire last month.Comment
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This deal for me is officialy over and it should be for the rest of the Laker fans too. It has become obvious Walsh is not going to back off his demands. It is time for us Lakers to look elsewhere or get used to the fact Bynum will be in LA next season unless the tide changes. To all of you Pacer fans, a genuine good luck in getting a good deal from NJ or keeping JO.
Goodbye,
Bynum Brigade.
P.S. I will be back during the season to rub it in your face when Bynum is putting up 15/10/3Comment
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