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  • #31
    Re: Montieth blog

    The draft complaining is stupid to me. So we didn't trade one of our young guys for a mid 20's pick. GOOD. That would be STUPID. I'm glad we didn't give up Ike (if that's who it really was) just to look "good" on draft night.

    I think Seth nailed it on the bigger issue. Montieth's right about most fans and media and how they overhype, overreact, over-everything what does and doesn't happen and it's always about now, now, now, now, now. Kegboy's also right that signs point to nothing happening, and that's frustrating when there's nothing else (Pacers-wise) to do for the next 3 months and/or you expect the roster as-is to suck.

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    • #32
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      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
      If I'm stuck rooting for a lousy team, I'd rather be stuck watching guys that didn't have court dates to worry about than watching players who kept showing up on the police arrest records.

      And, young with the hope of an upside and major ceilings.

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      • #33
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        Draft picks can be bought, and Phx sold their 24 pick to Portland for 3mil. Why wouldn't the Ps use their 4mil TE and get a draft pick if they were really interested in getting one?

        Also what in the world were they thinking about when taking Stanko, especially when Aaron Gray was still on the board? Gray is much closer to NBA ready, and actually has a C body.
        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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        • #34
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          Overall I think that It is too early to complain about the roster moves. However, I think a lot of my frustration comes from Larry's ability to oversell and under deliver: saying that we are getting a draft pick and getting Stanko or promising that we will get one of the league's best shooters and bringing in Rush. Those are two recent examples which aren't bad moves but fall far short of what he promises.
          "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

          "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."

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          • #35
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            Originally posted by Since86 View Post
            Draft picks can be bought, and Phx sold their 24 pick to Portland for 3mil. Why wouldn't the Ps use their 4mil TE and get a draft pick if they were really interested in getting one?

            Also what in the world were they thinking about when taking Stanko, especially when Aaron Gray was still on the board? Gray is much closer to NBA ready, and actually has a C body.
            I laid this out already in both of the threads discussing it at draft time. It basically boiled down to taking James Jones + dishing out 3 million in cash for a draft pick could have ended up costing the Pacers upwards of 12 million in year one alone. They're not going to spend that for an end of first round pick after the financial hit they took last year and since they're paying two guys to run the team and two to coach it......
            Last edited by Robobtowncolt; 07-10-2007, 04:09 PM.
            Narf!

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            • #36
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              Originally posted by Robobtowncolt View Post
              I laid this out already in both of the threads discussing it at draft time. It basically boiled down to taking James Jones + dishing out 3 million in cash for a draft pick could have ended up costing the Pacers upwards of 12 million in year one alone. They're not going to spend that for an end of first round pick after the financial hit they took last year and since they're paying two guys to run the team and two to coach it......
              Plus that type of trade has to get 100% support from the Simons, since it's their pocketbook being the primary tool in the trade... When it comes to that type of moves Larry and Donnie have their hands tied, it's the Simons who have to want to make the payout...
              "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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              • #37
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                Originally posted by tadscout View Post
                Plus that type of trade has to get 100% support from the Simons, since it's their pocketbook being the primary tool in the trade... When it comes to that type of moves Larry and Donnie have their hands tied, it's the Simons who have to want to make the payout...
                Larry and Donnie have more or less a green light to do whatever they want. So long as the avoid the luxury tax unless they're sure that move will be a tremendous difference maker. I know the Simons well enough to never be one to criticize their financial commitment to making the Pacers a winner given the limited profit it typically turns (if they're lucky enough to turn one.)
                Narf!

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                • #38
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                  Originally posted by Robobtowncolt View Post
                  I laid this out already in both of the threads discussing it at draft time. It basically boiled down to taking James Jones + dishing out 3 million in cash for a draft pick could have ended up costing the Pacers upwards of 12 million in year one alone. They're not going to spend that for an end of first round pick after the financial hit they took last year and since they're paying two guys to run the team and two to coach it......
                  yeah but there have also been rumors about us taking on banks (both before the draft and now). im sure phoenix would have given us banks and rudy the way they gave that package to portland. taking on banks makes little sense right now but would have made more sense when trading for almond or rudy.
                  This is the darkest timeline.

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                  • #39
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                    Originally posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
                    yeah but there have also been rumors about us taking on banks (both before the draft and now). im sure phoenix would have given us banks and rudy the way they gave that package to portland. taking on banks makes little sense right now but would have made more sense when trading for almond or rudy.
                    Rumors? From DD? I enjoy reading DD and all, but the next time he's remotely accurate about something will be the first (don't mean that as any sort of personal shot DD, enjoy your posting.) Pheonix is likely just trying to create a market for him if there's anything to that outside of DD's computer.
                    Narf!

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                    • #40
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                      Originally posted by Mal View Post
                      signs point to nothing happening, and that's frustrating when there's nothing else (Pacers-wise) to do for the next 3 months and/or you expect the roster as-is to suck.
                      IOW, I advise you all to start drinking heavily.
                      Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                      • #41
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                        I'd say for the most part Montieth is right about the fanbase going nuts because the Pacers have yet to make a trade. I just wish he would be a little more sympathetic to the fanbase. Afterall, we aren't in the front office, and so we don't know what trades should go down and when (for the most part anyways). But it isn't like we don't have reason to be hoping for a trade. Like someone said earlier, no moves on a lottery team is bad.

                        Having said all of that, we did hire a new coach, and although it wasn't anything flashy, it will make a world of difference. I don't know if it will be good or bad difference. I don't even know if we will be able to see the difference, but if anyone has played basketball for a long time, then you should know what kind of a difference a different coach can make if your a player like Tinsley, or Ike, or Quis, or Dunleavy. I mean, look at how Al did with Golden State in the playoffs. At the very least, he would have played more with a different coach. Then you look at San Antonio and pretty much anyone you put in that system is going to play defense, and they're going to play it Popp's way, or they aren't going to play at all. And they've won 4 out of 10.

                        I guess I just wish Montieth would say something like "I understand your concern and impatience, but we can't just trade Jermaine away for nothing, take on more large, lengthy contracts, and set this team back another couple of years again and repeat the GS trade." But at the same time, no one from the Pacers is ever going to publicly come out and say "We are aiming to have a good team but not until 2009." Sometimes, especially if you hire a new coach, no action is good action, even with a lottery team that didn't get a lottery pick.
                        This is only my opinion. Please hold it against me.

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                        • #42
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                          Originally posted by Kegboy View Post
                          IOW, I advise you all to start drinking heavily.
                          I advise you all if drinking heavily is not your choice, to see the light and find the good in any situation.

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                          • #43
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                            it is facinating how fans look at things differently - those that tend to be positive (you know the real fans) and those that tend to look at things negatively (you know the non-real fans)



                            please, I'm joking about the real fans and non-real fans stuff - just a joke.

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                            • #44
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                              Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                              Also what in the world were they thinking about when taking Stanko, especially when Aaron Gray was still on the board? Gray is much closer to NBA ready, and actually has a C body.
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                              • #45
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                                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                                it is facinating how fans look at things differently - those that tend to be positive (you know the real fans) and those that tend to look at things negatively (you know the non-real fans)



                                please, I'm joking about the real fans and non-real fans stuff - just a joke.
                                Whew, glad you're joking. It's pretty harsh to make blanket statements about your sunshine comrades. You know, you all. Everybody.



                                Last time. Promise.
                                Last edited by Robobtowncolt; 07-10-2007, 04:57 PM.
                                Narf!

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