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  • #61
    Re: Kravitz bashes the Pacers offseason lethargy

    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post


    The Atlanta Hawks, who have twice fleeced the Pacers in trades involving Al Harrington, smartly held firm to their Nos. 3 and 11 picks, adding talent and character with Al Horford and Acie Law.

    This is the KEY POINT. When Billy KNight BENDS YOU OVER, TWICE, you really have no business making any kind of player moves. Last thing we need is to lose another 1st rounder and to take another 20 years worth of max contracts on slow white guys who can't shoot.

    The best that BIRD(brain) et al can do, is NOTHING. They already broke it.

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    • #62
      Re: Kravitz bashes the Pacers offseason lethargy

      Originally posted by v_d_g View Post
      This is the KEY POINT. When Billy KNight BENDS YOU OVER, TWICE, you really have no business making any kind of player moves. Last thing we need is to lose another 1st rounder and to take another 20 years worth of max contracts on slow white guys who can't shoot.

      The best that BIRD(brain) et al can do, is NOTHING. They already broke it.
      Can you explain yourself please? Other than stereotyping both Murphy & Dunleavy, I mean.

      Troy Murphy is quite agile for a big man. Now if you wanted to say not bulky or physical enough that's one thing, but slow????

      Dunleavy is far from a snail either as far as I can tell.

      I will await your further clarification before I respond.


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      • #63
        Re: Kravitz bashes the Pacers offseason lethargy

        All this "gutsy move/ gutsy management bs is what got us in this mess in the first place!!!
        Management hasn't done anything yet because they want to improve the team- not make the most offseason moves in the league! we dont know what kind of talks they were/are involved in. They know that every move they make has to be the right one. They know not trade or make changes just for the sake of making them- and thank god for that!!
        I dont want a gutsy management- I want a smart management that doesn't go out on a gut feeling or try to prove it has balls- this isn't Hollywood and we're in no position to start gambling...
        Most importantly I want our management to be a responsible one- and realise that even if they're looking for a trade- if it doesn't improve the team- it should not be made.
        All this waiting for something to happen- while all around us teams are making moves- is realy painfull to all of us. We have to remember DW/LB deffinitely want what's best for the team. When and IF they find something good they'll make it happen.

        On another subject- I am :shakehead at some of your experiences with the fans...
        The NBA has so much going for it- a league where any team could win the championship. In European football (that's soccer!)- for those of you who aren't following- there are a few very rich, elite teams (no more than 3-4 in each major league) who have a chance to win titles-and buy all the young prospects from the weak teams. The weaker teams' fans still chant and cheer (some dont even watch the game- they stand in the stands with their backs to the pitch and orchestrate the other fans!!) in every game- and the stadiums are packed every game too!
        When have you guys seen a player kiss the symbol (yes symbol, not logo!) of the team after a win/ important play. I personaly can't recall such an incident.

        I find it sickening that managements have to sell the team as a product to the fans, as if it was a new car or new coke flavour.I am disgusted at the idea of a fan saynig:
        -"Hmm, that Pacers team sure looks tempting don't it Bob?
        -"No, it's not for me, I think I'll go with a Celtics. Maybe in a couple of years....
        Fans should be loyal to the team all the time! in the good times and the bad, like a marriage. Sure we can whine and b**ch- we're allowed to because we care about the team- real fans dont just stop caring about the team because they suck- and if they do- they're just glory hoggers and not fans at all.

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        • #64
          Re: Kravitz bashes the Pacers offseason lethargy

          Yet again with someone needing to point out their race while negatively describing their game.

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          • #65
            Re: Kravitz bashes the Pacers offseason lethargy

            Originally posted by FlavaDave View Post
            I wonder how much the common fan's pessimism and negativity towards the Pacers is caused by Kravitz being their only real source of opinion on the Pacers. I truly, honestly think he is a huge reason why home games are like funerals.

            ...Because if he wrote 'rah rah' columns the place would be packed as the losses stack up.

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            • #66
              Re: Kravitz bashes the Pacers offseason lethargy

              Originally posted by FlavaDave View Post
              E No. But I do wonder if he was a contributing factor. We've had Reggie Miller, Jermain O'Neal, and Peyton Manning on our teams,
              Pick the name that doesn't belong.

              But someone has clearly poisoned the Indy well.
              The lack of direction and total mismanagement from ownership right on down thru the management consortium is what has poisoned the well.

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              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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              • #67
                Re: Kravitz bashes the Pacers offseason lethargy

                Originally posted by Bball View Post
                Pick the name that doesn't belong.
                Peyton Manning, for being easily the best of the 3 and the one with a ring.

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                • #68
                  Re: Kravitz bashes the Pacers offseason lethargy

                  Originally posted by Mal View Post
                  Peyton Manning, for being easily the best of the 3 and the one with a ring.
                  I was thinking more along the lines of who shows up in the 4th qtr and elevates their teams...

                  -Bball
                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Kravitz bashes the Pacers offseason lethargy

                    Kravitz would find something to complain about if Peyton Manning started buying homes for the homeless. Having said that, the basic gist is hard to argue with. The invective manner in which it is presented, however, isn't.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Kravitz bashes the Pacers offseason lethargy

                      Originally posted by DgR View Post
                      All this "gutsy move/ gutsy management bs is what got us in this mess in the first place!!!
                      Management hasn't done anything yet because they want to improve the team- not make the most offseason moves in the league! we dont know what kind of talks they were/are involved in. They know that every move they make has to be the right one. They know not trade or make changes just for the sake of making them- and thank god for that!!
                      I dont want a gutsy management- I want a smart management that doesn't go out on a gut feeling or try to prove it has balls- this isn't Hollywood and we're in no position to start gambling...
                      Most importantly I want our management to be a responsible one- and realise that even if they're looking for a trade- if it doesn't improve the team- it should not be made.
                      All this waiting for something to happen- while all around us teams are making moves- is realy painfull to all of us. We have to remember DW/LB deffinitely want what's best for the team. When and IF they find something good they'll make it happen.

                      On another subject- I am :shakehead at some of your experiences with the fans...
                      The NBA has so much going for it- a league where any team could win the championship. In European football (that's soccer!)- for those of you who aren't following- there are a few very rich, elite teams (no more than 3-4 in each major league) who have a chance to win titles-and buy all the young prospects from the weak teams. The weaker teams' fans still chant and cheer (some dont even watch the game- they stand in the stands with their backs to the pitch and orchestrate the other fans!!) in every game- and the stadiums are packed every game too!
                      When have you guys seen a player kiss the symbol (yes symbol, not logo!) of the team after a win/ important play. I personaly can't recall such an incident.

                      I find it sickening that managements have to sell the team as a product to the fans, as if it was a new car or new coke flavour.I am disgusted at the idea of a fan saynig:
                      -"Hmm, that Pacers team sure looks tempting don't it Bob?
                      -"No, it's not for me, I think I'll go with a Celtics. Maybe in a couple of years....
                      Fans should be loyal to the team all the time! in the good times and the bad, like a marriage. Sure we can whine and b**ch we're allowed to because we care about the team- real fans dont just stop caring about the team because they suck- and if they do- they're just glory hoggers and not fans at all.
                      Agreed on your point of being patient with the roster moves. It's certainly more important to make smart moves rather than gutsy.

                      But you really should have stopped right there. Maybe part of the reason you only have a few teams who can win a championship is that your loyal fans don't b**ch and whine enough. They just sit back and cheer at whatever comes their way...and remain quiet as the elite take control. There's an analogy here to politics and life in general. Basically, if you're satisfied with poor performance that's all you're going to get.

                      Many of the people here do want to see more optimism from the posters, and I can understand that. But a significant number will continue to express negativity until management starts to turn this team around. The expectation is not a championship, it's making the team better not continuing to make it worse. In the case of Indiana, management has made a string of mistakes for several years that has sent this franchise on a steep decline. This is not whining, it's fact that cannot be denied. Some of the players, rather than kissing symbols, have embarrassed the city and committed crimes on our streets. They do not deserve cheers. This is not whining, it's fact that cannot be denied. And it has to change. Until that time, TPTB need to hear it.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Kravitz bashes the Pacers offseason lethargy

                        Originally posted by Bball View Post
                        ...Because if he wrote 'rah rah' columns the place would be packed as the losses stack up.

                        -Bball
                        No, but the people who went to the games might be more apt to actually cheer. Did you go to Conseco this year? It was like a funeral, every game.




                        Originally posted by Bball View Post
                        The lack of direction and total mismanagement from ownership right on down thru the management consortium is what has poisoned the well.

                        -Bball

                        BS. How does that explain the Colts? Why did half this city throw this team under the bus when they were two quarters from a Super Bowl and down only two scores? We had a great GM, great owner (for football purposes), great coach, and the best QB in football. And that wasn't enough.

                        Look, I'm not saying Kravitz is the sole cause. That would be a ridiculous argument. And its true that he has some material to work with. But I've noticed a trend amongst Indy fans that some will turn on their team at the tiniest sign of trouble. And that really didn't seem to happen until Kravitz came to town.

                        Sports used to be a kind of magic thing among Indy residents. I mean, this is a city that found a way to worship Jim Harbaugh. Do you really think we will ever worship an athlete based solely on one AFC Championship loss ever again? I can't see that happening.

                        So what happened? What changed? Why is our fanbase so cynical?
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                        • #72
                          Re: Kravitz bashes the Pacers offseason lethargy

                          Originally posted by FlavaDave View Post
                          But I've noticed a trend amongst Indy fans that some will turn on their team at the tiniest sign of trouble.
                          You're kidding, right? Tiniest bit of trouble? Wow.
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                          • #73
                            Re: Kravitz bashes the Pacers offseason lethargy

                            I remember when Dom Rhodes got nabbed, I felt bad for feeling bad for him and hoping it would all work out, hell I still do and he's not even a Colt anymore.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Kravitz bashes the Pacers offseason lethargy

                              Originally posted by DgR View Post
                              All this "gutsy move/ gutsy management bs is what got us in this mess in the first place!!!
                              Management hasn't done anything yet because they want to improve the team- not make the most offseason moves in the league! we dont know what kind of talks they were/are involved in. They know that every move they make has to be the right one. They know not trade or make changes just for the sake of making them- and thank god for that!!
                              I dont want a gutsy management- I want a smart management that doesn't go out on a gut feeling or try to prove it has balls- this isn't Hollywood and we're in no position to start gambling...
                              Most importantly I want our management to be a responsible one- and realise that even if they're looking for a trade- if it doesn't improve the team- it should not be made.
                              All this waiting for something to happen- while all around us teams are making moves- is realy painfull to all of us. We have to remember DW/LB deffinitely want what's best for the team. When and IF they find something good they'll make it happen.

                              On another subject- I am :shakehead at some of your experiences with the fans...
                              The NBA has so much going for it- a league where any team could win the championship. In European football (that's soccer!)- for those of you who aren't following- there are a few very rich, elite teams (no more than 3-4 in each major league) who have a chance to win titles-and buy all the young prospects from the weak teams. The weaker teams' fans still chant and cheer (some dont even watch the game- they stand in the stands with their backs to the pitch and orchestrate the other fans!!) in every game- and the stadiums are packed every game too!
                              When have you guys seen a player kiss the symbol (yes symbol, not logo!) of the team after a win/ important play. I personaly can't recall such an incident.

                              I find it sickening that managements have to sell the team as a product to the fans, as if it was a new car or new coke flavour.I am disgusted at the idea of a fan saynig:
                              -"Hmm, that Pacers team sure looks tempting don't it Bob?
                              -"No, it's not for me, I think I'll go with a Celtics. Maybe in a couple of years....
                              Fans should be loyal to the team all the time! in the good times and the bad, like a marriage. Sure we can whine and b**ch- we're allowed to because we care about the team- real fans dont just stop caring about the team because they suck- and if they do- they're just glory hoggers and not fans at all.
                              I feel like in the US we have that kind of passion for our College sports teams more than the professional sports teams. At least on average, I know there are fanatics of pro baseball, football, and basketball too.

                              I often wish that at Pacer games there would be more of a college arena atmosphere.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Kravitz bashes the Pacers offseason lethargy

                                Originally posted by Kegboy View Post
                                You're kidding, right? Tiniest bit of trouble? Wow.
                                I totally agree with Flava on this one. Look at the uproar from drafting Stanko , I wouldn't even call that trouble at all and people started turning.

                                Bird told us before hand there was a 50/50 of getting into the draft, his guy got drafted before the #26.

                                Do you seriously not find a lot of people on this board to be 100% reactionary?

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