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Re: opinions on the future of Yi in Milwaukee
The Bucks deserve it, since he’s really 22 and Stanko was on the board
The Bucks deserve it, since he’s really 22 and Stanko was on the board
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Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and
/ laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"
"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good?"
In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.
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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.
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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.
When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:
A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.
B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.
To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!
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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.
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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.
It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.
A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.
Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.
Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.
Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and
/ laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*""Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good?
"In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.
The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.
The right places to do so are:
A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.
B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.
If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.
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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.
When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:
A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.
B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.
To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!
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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.
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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.
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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
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Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star
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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.
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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.
It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
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Re: opinions on the future of Yi in Milwaukee
No offense folks, but if the man doesn't want to play for the Bucks, that is his choice. After all, this is AMERICA, not CHINA.
That doesn't mean that he is able to choose the team that he wants to play for. It just means that, if drafted, he is able to state that he will not play for that one team by choosing not to sign the contract.
This has always been the way the draft works. An amateur player selected by a team can choose to remain an amateur for one year (not playing pro basketball anywhere) and re-enter the draft the following year.
A team that has drafted a player continues to retain the rights to that player in the event the player plays as a professional in another league.
How many of you that have a problem with this are also worshippers of the great Kobe Bryant. Similar story, only in an earlier year.
From my perspective, the Bucks were quite stupid to draft a player after they were unsuccessful in their attempts to open a dialog with said player. For Pete's sake, I certainly wouldn't hire an employee without having conducted an interview with him... not matter who recommends him and no matter how good the prospective employee supposedly is. That's just plain stupid.
On the other hand, the devil in me just kind of hopes that if the player refuses to play for the Bucks and sits out his year, that all the teams cooperate with each other and just blackball the SOB. Even though the Bucks were stupid, the player's manager should have made his special request common knowledge and didn't.Comment
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Re: opinions on the future of Yi in Milwaukee
Don't blame Yi. I don't think he has a say in this matter. When you are in China or from China, you do what the PRC says.Comment
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Re: opinions on the future of Yi in Milwaukee
i agree with this post 100%Originally posted by dcpacersfan View Post
yi and his handlers are apparently making a marketing decision, but yi's main appeal should be in china, not in the us. where does it matter where yi plays, as long as he is in the nba?
it's much more important that he becomes a successful nba player. i mean, look at wang zhizhi and menk bateer. not anything close to marketing icons eh? if he puts up good numbers and heavy minutes then he'll be a marketing win, period.
it's worth pointing out though, that nike is apparently one of those handlers who are pushing to place yi in a better market.Comment
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Re: opinions on the future of Yi in Milwaukee
It kind of ****es me off that Yi simply thinks he can just ignore the Bucks and that they are obligated to trade him. It makes me mad because I could easily see this happening with the Pacers.
Either way, I'll be actively rooting against this guy for his entire career. I don't think he'll be a bust, but I don't think he's going to be that good.Comment
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Re: opinions on the future of Yi in Milwaukee
Originally posted by Stryder View Post
kind of a sweeping statement
as a national athlete, yi is probably under more restrictions than most normal people, which is not all that different from other countries i would think. but china now is almost as freewheeling a capitalist economy as anywhere, and mainland chinese are under less restrictions than you might think. political restrictions are still there yes, but very little when it comes to jobs/livelihoodComment
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Re: opinions on the future of Yi in Milwaukee
yeah, i dislike kobe and steve francis for the same reasons so i could understand your logic.Originally posted by Moses View Post
actually, i don't think he'd be that good too, so i'm surprised that he would endanger his career by pulling this sort of stunt.Comment
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Re: opinions on the future of Yi in Milwaukee
:shakeheadOriginally posted by JayRedd View Post
http://www.jahozafat.com/0028375953/...n/excessiv.wav
The truth is, nobody knows why Marsellus tossed Tony Rocky Horror out of that window except Marsellus and Tony. But when you scamps get together, you're worse than a sewing circle.Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!
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Re: opinions on the future of Yi in Milwaukee
Thank you. This is exactly how I feel. If Yi doesn't want to play for the Bucks, fine, then he doesn't have to play for the Bucks. He wouldn't be doing anything wrong; I mean, he told them he didn't want to play for them beforehand.Originally posted by beast23 View Post
I especially don't have a problem with it because he isn't taking their money; if he doesn't want to sign, he won't be payed a cent. What I have a problem with is guys like Vince Carter mailing it in every night or guys like Tim Thomas acting like jerkoffs and collecting their millionaire checks while sitting on their rear end. But if he doesn't want to play, he doesn't want to play, simple as that. I'm sure a European team will take him.Last edited by bulldog; 07-02-2007, 08:18 PM.2010 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champion Baltimore BulldogsComment
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Re: opinions on the future of Yi in Milwaukee
Then everyone's OK with a system that allows a lottery pick to decide he doesn't want to play for that team, and thus essentially making it as if the team didn't have a pick to begin with? Everyone's fine with this? Really?Comment
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Re: opinions on the future of Yi in Milwaukee
Welcome to America. Have a burger, we make'em great over here.Originally posted by Mal View Post
The system in place is as good of a system as can be made. If the lottery pick doesn't want to play, he doesn't get paid and he can't play in the NBA. It's not like Yi gets to sign a $60 million contract with the Lakers now.
Do your homework, talk to your pick before you select him. And if he says he doesn't want to play for you before you pick him, it'll be your darn fault when he doesn't.
Trust me, this is only going to be a problem with foreign players. Americans generally don't want to play overseas; they'll take their money and shut up. This isn't going to become an epidemic any time soon.Last edited by bulldog; 07-02-2007, 08:47 PM.2010 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champion Baltimore BulldogsComment
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Re: opinions on the future of Yi in Milwaukee
Originally posted by JayRedd View Post
BAHAHA. That was gold. I don't care if it's from a movie.You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?
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Re: opinions on the future of Yi in Milwaukee
Absolutely not. I agree with you 100%. If the rules are really written where a player can completely duck the team that drafted him, then they need to be changed.Originally posted by Mal View Post
If a player doesn't want a team to draft him than he can tell the team outright, like Eli Manning did with the Chargers 3 or so years ago. None of this "we won't let you watch him play but we're not going to give you a definitive answer" sort of crap.
Being a Pacers fan I am a huge small market advocate. I'll be booing this guy his entire career as well, given he doesn't become a great player on the Pacers of course
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Re: opinions on the future of Yi in Milwaukee
You should know by now I don't actually come up with anything on my own.Originally posted by SoupIsGood View Post
Also...Thought this was mildly interesting. Apparently Marc Stein watched Yi play in a post-draft Chinese National Team game in Dallas. Nothing too thrilling, but gives a little insight.
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog...ame=stein_marc
Yi struggles in first outing
posted: Monday, July 2, 2007
DALLAS -- This won't come as any great consolation to folks in Milwaukee wondering how long it'll be before Yi Jianlian visits their town ... but I got my own first look Sunday.
Yi was in Dallas and in uniform, coming off the bench for the Chinese senior national team against the under-19 edition of Team USA at SMU.
How'd he do?
You're undoubtedly well aware by now that Yi's representatives want their guy in a major market and are calling for the Bucks to trade him immediately, but here's something I suspect that the warring sides can agree on: They'd probably prefer if I didn't say too much about this one.
That's because it wasn't exactly Yi's finest two hours.
He had one point and four fouls entering the fourth quarter of China's 91-75 defeat. He missed badly on two early attempts to finish inside with his left hand, even though he wasn't facing especially polished defenders. There's no denying it: For long stretches in his first game since the Bucks made him the No. 6 overall selection in Thursday's draft, Yi either looked uptight or tired.
Yet it's probably worth pointing out that Yi, even in that condition, still managed to drop 14 points in a surprisingly spirited final period, even though there were at least two occasions that he lagged behind the action while gasping for breath.
He's not in game shape, true. But a quick flurry of seven points with Bucks scout Scott Howard watching courtside -- one silky J and a long 3-pointer to live up to his vaunted shooting touch, followed by a quick and nimble spin through the lane to sink a running one-hander -- flashed just enough skill to hint at why Howard's bosses felt they couldn't pass on this guy, no matter how much trouble they face getting him to Wisconsin.
Whether you believe he's 19 or 22, Yi is an unquestionably mobile 7-footer. He has quick feet, he's got a perimeter game and, by all accounts, he wants to be coached. Sounds like upside to me. The proverbial stuff you can't teach.
It's also easier to rationalize some of his Sunday struggles when you remember that he's practiced only once with his countrymen since flying in from New York ... and when the international rules in place made the game so much grabbier than an NBA game would be ... and when you're reminded that guard play (Lakers draftee Sun Yue included) remains a big-time weakness for China, which is always going to affect Yi's effectiveness when Yao Ming isn't there to open up the floor (Yao wasn't in attendance due to a shoulder injury).
The Chinese are training in Big D through the July 4 holiday before flying to Vegas to participate in the NBA's ever-growing summer league. So perhaps we'll learn more about Yi's Milwaukee future on Monday, when he's scheduled to participate in a press conference at the newly opened House of Blues with Dallas mayor Tom Leppert in advance of China's encounter Tuesday with the Mavericks' summer-league team.
I know that's not the customary post-draft press conference Bucks fans were counting on. I know this definitely wasn't the sort of post-draft display that Bucks officials or Yi's handlers were hoping for. I know, most of all, that everyone is waiting to hear answers about how the Bucks and Team Yi are going to resolve this standoff.
In the interim, though, at least we did learn a little more about Yi's game. Even on an off night.Last edited by JayRedd; 07-02-2007, 09:06 PM.Comment
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Re: opinions on the future of Yi in Milwaukee
working off first on what beast23 and bulldog said...Originally posted by Mal View Post
they're absolutely correct that yi has the right not to play for the bucks. yi doesn't have a contract with the bucks, doesn't have a contract with the nba. the nba has absolutely no control over him.
what the nba does have, is control over its 30 teams. so they can tell the 29 other teams, hey the bucks drafted this guy, so you can't sign him to a contract.
but if the player absolutely doesn't want to play in the nba, then yes the drafting team essentially wastes their pick. i don't see any kind of rule change which can avoid this situation. that was the case for portland with sabonis (until he finally came over), that was the case for orlando with fran vasquez.
this alleged one year rule complicates things though. to my understanding, if a draftee sits out one year, doesn't play professional ball anywhere, then he can re-enter the draft. i'm not really sure why such a rule is in place, but i'd be fine if this was removed.
in yi's case, i doubt very much he's going to sit out. he's not going to be making many endorsement dollars playing for the national team. ditto for euroleague (the chinese market knows nba, but not euroleague. sad but true.) he'll play in the nba, and if the bucks hold firm, then he'll be playing for the bucks.Comment
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