Jim O'Brien is new head coach

[Mr.ThunderMakeR]

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I have a feeling that my boy Ike is gonna get buried on the bench, he doesnt seem like O'Brien's type of player. Maybe Ike deserves it, but still, I was hoping to see him get the chance to develop. This will pretty much kill any thought of us winning the GS trade.

[CableKC]

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I have a feeling that my boy Ike is gonna get buried on the bench, he doesnt seem like O'Brien's type of player. Maybe Ike deserves it, but still, I was hoping to see him get the chance to develop. This will pretty much kill any thought of us winning the GS trade.

I guess the question is whether he will bench players for not playing decent defense...or bench players who work hard. I don't know if Ike works hard or not ( I hope he does )....but I do know that his defense isn't that great.

But honestly....if JONeal is gone.....and Defense determines who plays and who doesn't....with a PF rotation consisting of Murphy or Ike.....Foster will end up as our starting PF.

I just hope that Ike shows that he's a hard worker and listens to what O'Brien says.

[Alpolloloco]

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So I guess if Tinsley isn't getting dealt he can stay at home too (like Robinson) and we acquire Snap as our PG, who can really shoot from distance.

[Naptown_Seth]

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So I guess if Tinsley isn't getting dealt he can stay at home too (like Robinson) and we acquire Snap as our PG, who can really shoot from distance.

Snap. Snap Hunter?

Because you did just read the part about DEFENSE right?

A team with Mark Jackson, Reggie Miller, and Rik Smits couldn't possibly play good defense either.

But they did.

A good defensive coach can do a whole lot to cover the weaknesses of multiple defenders. And Harter is a really, really good one.

No, he's not going to turn Murphy to a lock-down defender. Nobody is saying that.

They did? Have you looked at the 2000 Finals team's PPG ALLOWED recently? They were middle of the pack; same with FG% allowed. They just flat-out out-shot everyone they met, not unlike what Jerm was talking about elsewhere.

In fact they had the HIGHEST Effective Offense (basketball database adjusted scoring rate) in 2000, and were 3rd in PPG outright. Let's also remember that the team had Dale Davis, McKey (less critical in 2000, but still) and even Rose at times. The only defensive strength (meaning better than slightly below averge) was 3P% allowed, which they were 2nd in the NBA behind the Lakers.

So let's not pretend that somehow Brown or Bird made slower guys like Mullin and Jackson into these defensive studs. Those guys played because their offense was so freaking lethal it didn't matter. As a team the 2000 Pacers shot the THREE at a 39.6% rate!!! (#1 in the NBA that year) Do the current Pacers have ANYONE that can drop it that well, let alone for a TEAM average?

That's why the concerns over defense are out there. Dunleavy getting beat off the dribble AND shooting 28% from 3 is not about to be confused with Reggie, Mullin, Jax or anyone else from that era.

[Kstat]

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Obie used the "mirage" defense a lot in Boston. More or less a box and 1 defense, but with a couple twists. It was actually effective, unless you met a team that could post up on you.

[Oneal07]

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I guess the question is whether he will bench players for not playing decent defense...or bench players who work hard. I don't know if Ike works hard or not ( I hope he does )....but I do know that his defense isn't that great.

But honestly....if JONeal is gone.....and Defense determines who plays and who doesn't....with a PF rotation consisting of Murphy or Ike.....Foster will end up as our starting PF.

I just hope that Ike shows that he's a hard worker and listens to what O'Brien says.

You forgot about Baston

[CableKC]

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You forgot about Baston

Not that I don't like Baston...I really like him as a player....but I would have concerns if he played ahead of Ike in the Big Man rotation.....and won't complain as much if he shared minutes with Murphy.

[Oneal07]

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I honestly hope Baston starts over Murphy next year. Tht's if Jermaine is gone. If JO is gone I would't mind seein Baston and Ike getting a lot of minutes. Foster will get his regardless so I'm nt worried about him

[Kegboy]

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No I was referring to Kegboy about if this doesn't pan out, then it should be Larry's head.

It's just another example of how Larry's "moves" are stupid, while Donnie gets the credit for good ones.

Isn't Larry in charge? Hello, who was at the press conference? Who was at the press conference when Rick was "reassigned"? Larry's the face of the franchise. Don't use Donnie as an excuse if Larry ****s up for the 97th time. I'm so sick of people saying, "Give Larry a chance". He's been here 4 years, and it's been a ****ing train wreck since the word go. It's about damn time he be held accountable.

And for the record, Donnie gets no credit from me. I couldn't tell you the last good move we made, let alone who should get the credit.

[Shade]

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The downward spiral continues.

EDIT: If he is actually bringing Harter in with him, I feel better about it.

[Kegboy]

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The downward spiral continues.

EDIT: If he is actually bringing Harter in with him, I feel better about it.

Yeah, after reading through everything I missed, everybody says it's a great hire because of Harter. I sure hope Dick's given an indication that he wants to come back. I swear I saw something after Philly where he indicated he was done.

[Unclebuck]

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From watching the press conference it is rather clear to me that Dick Harter is coming with O'Brien. I wouldn't be shocked if he only stays for a year or maybe two

[Oneal07]

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LOL. . .Reggie Miller doesn't like the idea of O'Brien Coaching the Pacers

[Hicks]

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The downward spiral continues.

EDIT: If he is actually bringing Harter in with him, I feel better about it.

I think this is what UB was referring to in his sound-off post on PD3. It's not because it's "we're doomed!" it's because it's "we're doomed!" with no explanations, thoughts, or ideas on what would be better. Sorry to pick on you Shade, it's obviously not just you, but I knew you could take it.

[Arcadian]

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Honestly with the mood here is there any hiring we could make and people would cry about it.

O'brien's solid. It's not a bad move.