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  • #16
    Re: True or False 05-10-07

    Stephen Jackson did things as a Pacer that earned him having some fans dislike him.

    True

    Race was not a major factor in wanting Stephen Jackson gone.

    Probably True

    Stephen Jackson isn't as bad as he's often made out to be when it comes to behavior.

    True

    The trade with the Golden State Warriors is lop-sided because we got the least talented players.

    Painfully True

    The trade with the Golden State Warriors is balanced because we dropped talented players who also carried negative issues, while adding less talented players without negative issues.

    As False as False can be

    The trade with the Golden State Warriors is not a bad trade IF Mike Dunleavy Jr. and Ike Diogu improve/develop.

    False

    Mike Dunleavy Jr. is a smart basketball player.

    If by smart you mean white and slow then True

    Openly and loudly cheering for another team is turning your back on the Indiana Pacers.

    False

    Maceo Baston is good enough to be in the rotation of a good team.

    Hard to say but I think True

    Jamaal Tinsley will improve under a new coach.

    True

    Jamaal Tinsley should stay an Indiana Pacer because it's best for the team.

    True

    The majority of our problems are the fault of Larry Bird, not Donnie Walsh, Rick Carlisle, Jermaine O'Neal, or other players on the team.

    Larry and Rick

    Rick Carlisle should have been fired.

    True (along with Bird)

    The Pacers will find a better coach for the Indiana Pacers for the 2007-2008 season than Rick Carlisle.

    I hope its true but I am worried. Regardless of if the new coach is better the team will play better because they quit on Rick. Larry Bird was not a better coach than Larry Brown but they went to the finals with Bird.

    Statistics can be used to support almost any argument, including two sides of the same argument.

    True

    Indiana Pacers fans are mostly comprised of fickle people who ride the latest bandwagon.

    False if this were true there would be no fans.

    Keith McLeod can be a solid backup point guard for the Indiana Pacers.

    False

    Jermaine O'Neal was never good enough to be the best player on a championship team.

    Maybe True 50/50

    Jermaine O'Neal was never good enough to be the best player on a championship team, but the Indiana Pacers should still keep him unless there's a "no brainer" trade offer.

    True

    Jermaine O'Neal is good enough to be the best player on a championship team.

    Maybe True 50/50

    Contrary posters can go too far with their stance and become detrimental to a debate.

    True but only if they are flaming

    Troy Murphy was limited by injuries this season and will look at least slightly better next year.

    False He is slow and could not defend me if I had a broken foot

    The Indiana Pacers are closer to being a good team than the majority of fans realize.

    Hard to say the long term impact of the VERY bad trade

    Pacers Digest, as of this posting, is more hostile than it should ever be.

    False TPTB have made some serious boneheaded moves and look to be making another on with the coaching search we need to be able to vent.

    The Indiana Pacers have more talent on their current roster than the majority of fans realize.

    True we have 6 or 7 talented players we just need to dump the high priced dead weight we acquired this year.

    Larry Bird was probably smoking cigars, not weed, with John Mellencamp.

    True well cigarettes

    While they may have viewed it as a two-headed operation where one was not more "in charge" than the other, the truth is Donnie Walsh is responsible for most of the moves the Indiana Pacers have made the past 4 seasons.

    I wish I knew but it seems hard to believe Donny got that stupid recently.

    Dislike of the 80's Boston Celtics and its players has clouded some people's judgments of Larry Bird's job as a General Manager.

    Maybe true but I hate Bird as GM and I did not hate the 80's celts (only because I did not start watching NBA until 93)

    Too many people pretend to know who is responsible for what in regards to the Indiana Pacers' management, when the truth is no one on the outside knows a thing one way or the other.

    True

    People with sources make their "reports" murky with opinion.

    50/50

    Pacers Digest is damaged beyond repair.

    False nothing wrong

    Herb Simon has more influence on management decisions than we will ever know.

    ? no idea

    It is possible to be satisfied and happy as a fan of the Indiana Pacers without the team winning a championship.

    True

    Hard core fans take the Indiana Pacers and the NBA too seriously.
    False how dare you

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    • #17
      Re: True or False 05-10-07

      True or False?

      Stephen Jackson did things as a Pacer that earned him having some fans dislike him.
      True.

      Race was not a major factor in wanting Stephen Jackson gone.
      False. It wasn't a major factor, but it was a factor.

      Stephen Jackson isn't as bad as he's often made out to be when it comes to behavior.
      True, but he's still pretty bad.

      The trade with the Golden State Warriors is lop-sided because we got the least talented players.
      False. They got Cabbage.

      The trade with the Golden State Warriors is balanced because we dropped talented players who also carried negative issues, while adding less talented players without negative issues.
      Eh, I guess.

      The trade with the Golden State Warriors is not a bad trade IF Mike Dunleavy Jr. and Ike Diogu improve/develop.
      True.

      Mike Dunleavy Jr. is a smart basketball player.
      True.

      Openly and loudly cheering for another team is turning your back on the Indiana Pacers.
      False. It's accepting the team turned their back on you.

      Maceo Baston is good enough to be in the rotation of a good team.
      Hell no. False.

      Jamaal Tinsley will improve under a new coach.
      True.

      Jamaal Tinsley should stay an Indiana Pacer because it's best for the team.
      False.

      The majority of our problems are the fault of Larry Bird, not Donnie Walsh, Rick Carlisle, Jermaine O'Neal, or other players on the team.
      Hee hee. What do you think?

      Rick Carlisle should have been fired.
      False. He shouldn't have been given the extension.

      The Pacers will find a better coach for the Indiana Pacers for the 2007-2008 season than Rick Carlisle.
      Better is a subjective term. Better fit, true.

      Statistics can be used to support almost any argument, including two sides of the same argument.
      Most definitely, and I've got the math degree to prove it.

      Indiana Pacers fans are mostly comprised of fickle people who ride the latest bandwagon.
      False.

      Keith McLeod can be a solid backup point guard for the Indiana Pacers.
      Solid? False.

      Jermaine O'Neal was never good enough to be the best player on a championship team.
      True.

      Jermaine O'Neal was never good enough to be the best player on a championship team, but the Indiana Pacers should still keep him unless there's a "no brainer" trade offer.
      False.

      Jermaine O'Neal is good enough to be the best player on a championship team.
      False.

      Contrary posters can go too far with their stance and become detrimental to a debate.
      Eh, not really.

      Troy Murphy was limited by injuries this season and will look at least slightly better next year.
      God I hope so.

      The Indiana Pacers are closer to being a good team than the majority of fans realize.
      No. N O.

      Pacers Digest, as of this posting, is more hostile than it should ever be.
      No, that was last summer/fall, where you had the darksiders seeing what was coming, the sunshiners with their heads in the sand, and the fans of individual players (like the CPK's), causing trouble. Now most everybody is past the denial and realize we suck.

      The Indiana Pacers have more talent on their current roster than the majority of fans realize.
      False.

      Larry Bird was probably smoking cigars, not weed, with John Mellencamp.
      I don't care. Haven't even read the thread.

      While they may have viewed it as a two-headed operation where one was not more "in charge" than the other, the truth is Donnie Walsh is responsible for most of the moves the Indiana Pacers have made the past 4 seasons.
      No, it's Larry, damnit, it's all Larry. [/CaptainAhab]

      Dislike of the 80's Boston Celtics and its players has clouded some people's judgments of Larry Bird's job as a General Manager.
      No. I don't have a problem with any of the other Celtics.

      Too many people pretend to know who is responsible for what in regards to the Indiana Pacers' management, when the truth is no one on the outside knows a thing one way or the other.
      Oh, I don't think so. Somebody must know something.

      People with sources make their "reports" murky with opinion.
      Yeah, probably. Makes it fun, figuring out which is which.

      Pacers Digest is damaged beyond repair.
      Really? Is that why it keeps crashing?

      Herb Simon has more influence on management decisions than we will ever know.
      Oh, I doubt it.

      It is possible to be satisfied and happy as a fan of the Indiana Pacers without the team winning a championship.
      Yeah.

      Hard core fans take the Indiana Pacers and the NBA too seriously.
      Probably.
      Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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      • #18
        Re: True or False 05-10-07

        Stephen Jackson did things as a Pacer that earned him having some fans dislike him.
        True.
        Race was not a major factor in wanting Stephen Jackson gone.
        True.
        Stephen Jackson isn't as bad as he's often made out to be when it comes to behavior.
        False. Just watching him on the NBATV replay of last night's game; he was hopping up and down after not getting a call and his man went down and hit a 3. Glad he's gone.
        The trade with the Golden State Warriors is lop-sided because we got the least talented players.
        Half a season is not enough time to make a fair assessment.
        The trade with the Golden State Warriors is balanced because we dropped talented players who also carried negative issues, while adding less talented players without negative issues.
        Same answer as above.
        The trade with the Golden State Warriors is not a bad trade IF Mike Dunleavy Jr. and Ike Diogu improve/develop.
        True.
        Mike Dunleavy Jr. is a smart basketball player.
        True. But that is an over-rated part of his game.
        Openly and loudly cheering for another team is turning your back on the Indiana Pacers.
        False. Cheer for whoever you want to...
        Maceo Baston is good enough to be in the rotation of a good team.
        True.
        Jamaal Tinsley will improve under a new coach.
        True. It can only get better...
        Jamaal Tinsley should stay an Indiana Pacer because it's best for the team.
        False.
        The majority of our problems are the fault of Larry Bird, not Donnie Walsh, Rick Carlisle, Jermaine O'Neal, or other players on the team.
        False.
        Rick Carlisle should have been fired.
        True.
        The Pacers will find a better coach for the Indiana Pacers for the 2007-2008 season than Rick Carlisle.
        True.
        Statistics can be used to support almost any argument, including two sides of the same argument.
        True.
        Indiana Pacers fans are mostly comprised of fickle people who ride the latest bandwagon.
        Not by the fact that the same group of gluttons for punishment (including myself) keep coming to talk about them here.
        Keith McLeod can be a solid backup point guard for the Indiana Pacers.
        False.
        Jermaine O'Neal was never good enough to be the best player on a championship team.
        False.
        Jermaine O'Neal was never good enough to be the best player on a championship team, but the Indiana Pacers should still keep him unless there's a "no brainer" trade offer.
        False.
        Jermaine O'Neal is good enough to be the best player on a championship team.
        True.
        Contrary posters can go too far with their stance and become detrimental to a debate.
        True.
        Troy Murphy was limited by injuries this season and will look at least slightly better next year.
        I don't know what the extent of his injuries were.
        The Indiana Pacers are closer to being a good team than the majority of fans realize.
        True. (Why think about it any other way?)
        Pacers Digest, as of this posting, is more hostile than it should ever be.
        False. I think it lives up to the goal of "civil discussion" more often than not. Not nearly as much of the "you're more racist than me" crap on that other board.
        The Indiana Pacers have more talent on their current roster than the majority of fans realize.
        True.
        Larry Bird was probably smoking cigars, not weed, with John Mellencamp.
        It doesn't matter to me.
        While they may have viewed it as a two-headed operation where one was not more "in charge" than the other, the truth is Donnie Walsh is responsible for most of the moves the Indiana Pacers have made the past 4 seasons.
        True.
        Dislike of the 80's Boston Celtics and its players has clouded some people's judgments of Larry Bird's job as a General Manager.
        Don't know.
        Too many people pretend to know who is responsible for what in regards to the Indiana Pacers' management, when the truth is no one on the outside knows a thing one way or the other.
        Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
        People with sources make their "reports" murky with opinion.
        Probably.
        Pacers Digest is damaged beyond repair.
        False. I think it's a great forum.
        Herb Simon has more influence on management decisions than we will ever know.
        Don't know.
        It is possible to be satisfied and happy as a fan of the Indiana Pacers without the team winning a championship.
        True.
        Hard core fans take the Indiana Pacers and the NBA too seriously.
        Not if it makes them happy.

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        • #19
          Re: True or False 05-10-07

          Originally posted by Mal View Post
          True or False?

          Stephen Jackson did things as a Pacer that earned him having some fans dislike him. True

          Race was not a major factor in wanting Stephen Jackson gone. True

          Stephen Jackson isn't as bad as he's often made out to be when it comes to behavior. False

          The trade with the Golden State Warriors is lop-sided because we got the least talented players. True

          The trade with the Golden State Warriors is balanced because we dropped talented players who also carried negative issues, while adding less talented players without negative issues. False

          The trade with the Golden State Warriors is not a bad trade IF Mike Dunleavy Jr. and Ike Diogu improve/develop. True

          Mike Dunleavy Jr. is a smart basketball player. True

          Openly and loudly cheering for another team is turning your back on the Indiana Pacers. False unless tht team is currently playing against the pacers

          Maceo Baston is good enough to be in the rotation of a good team. True

          Jamaal Tinsley will improve under a new coach. True

          Jamaal Tinsley should stay an Indiana Pacer because it's best for the team. False

          The majority of our problems are the fault of Larry Bird, not Donnie Walsh, Rick Carlisle, Jermaine O'Neal, or other players on the team. False

          Rick Carlisle should have been fired. True

          The Pacers will find a better coach for the Indiana Pacers for the 2007-2008 season than Rick Carlisle. True

          Statistics can be used to support almost any argument, including two sides of the same argument. True

          Indiana Pacers fans are mostly comprised of fickle people who ride the latest bandwagon. That is true of a lot of teams including the pacers

          Keith McLeod can be a solid backup point guard for the Indiana Pacers. True

          Jermaine O'Neal was never good enough to be the best player on a championship team. False

          Jermaine O'Neal was never good enough to be the best player on a championship team, but the Indiana Pacers should still keep him unless there's a "no brainer" trade offer. False

          Jermaine O'Neal is good enough to be the best player on a championship team. True

          Contrary posters can go too far with their stance and become detrimental to a debate. True

          Troy Murphy was limited by injuries this season and will look at least slightly better next year. True

          The Indiana Pacers are closer to being a good team than the majority of fans realize. True

          Pacers Digest, as of this posting, is more hostile than it should ever be. False

          The Indiana Pacers have more talent on their current roster than the majority of fans realize. True

          Larry Bird was probably smoking cigars, not weed, with John Mellencamp. True

          While they may have viewed it as a two-headed operation where one was not more "in charge" than the other, the truth is Donnie Walsh is responsible for most of the moves the Indiana Pacers have made the past 4 seasons. True

          Dislike of the 80's Boston Celtics and its players has clouded some people's judgments of Larry Bird's job as a General Manager. True

          Too many people pretend to know who is responsible for what in regards to the Indiana Pacers' management, when the truth is no one on the outside knows a thing one way or the other. True

          People with sources make their "reports" murky with opinion.True

          Pacers Digest is damaged beyond repair. False

          Herb Simon has more influence on management decisions than we will ever know. I have no idea

          It is possible to be satisfied and happy as a fan of the Indiana Pacers without the team winning a championship. True

          Hard core fans take the Indiana Pacers and the NBA too seriously. True
          Well, that's my opinion.
          That'll do.

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          • #20
            Re: True or False 05-10-07

            True or False?

            Stephen Jackson did things as a Pacer that earned him having some fans dislike him.
            True within reason regarding dislike. Hate, aggressively hostile booing, etc aren't the same as "hey, I don't care for him"

            Race was not a major factor in wanting Stephen Jackson gone.
            True, but it clearly is a factor. Responses to players like Foster, Croshere and Saras vs JO and Tins suggest it w/out Jack being brought into it.

            Stephen Jackson isn't as bad as he's often made out to be when it comes to behavior.
            True, because I'm pretty sure cancers ruin teams when they arrive and that getting rid of cancers is supposed to make a team better...otherwise how was he being a cancer?

            The trade with the Golden State Warriors is lop-sided because we got the least talented players.
            True, but also because they cost something like $5m more per season or more with longer deals (in Jack's case)

            The trade with the Golden State Warriors is balanced because we dropped talented players who also carried negative issues, while adding less talented players without negative issues.
            False. I'll let the attendence records post-trade speak on that issue.

            The trade with the Golden State Warriors is not a bad trade IF Mike Dunleavy Jr. and Ike Diogu improve/develop.
            True, but it would require Mike being able to defend at the Jackson level at the SG position and for Ike to be reliable against even the most minor double teams...lots of room to go, naturally if they climb that high the deal looks balanced then. Nothing prior to now suggests that level of change at this point.

            Mike Dunleavy Jr. is a smart basketball player.
            True, modestly. His smarts are overrated at times and he makes plenty of silly mistakes. Not to mention that many think it's his own brain that is holding back some of his game.

            Openly and loudly cheering for another team is turning your back on the Indiana Pacers.
            False, unless they are playing against the Pacers. I spent the 80's as a huge Lakers fan, hating the Celtics and Pistons along the way. But in 2000 I hated the Lakers with a passion and have never gone back since the Kobe/Shaq era began. I root for the Suns, now the Warriors, used to be a huge Mavs fan with Det and Tarp

            Maceo Baston is good enough to be in the rotation of a good team.
            False, maybe. 8th guy? Yeah, I can see that certainly.

            Jamaal Tinsley will improve under a new coach.
            False. His flaws have never changed. Doesn't take care of the ball, doesn't play man-up defense very well, has no outside shot, always has had issues finishing at the rim. That's college, Isiah and Rick.

            Jamaal Tinsley should stay an Indiana Pacer because it's best for the team.
            Iffy, depends on the deal. He isn't horrible at all, he does seem to lack motivation, he will always be flawed as mentioned but is good enough to be part of a strong team...61 wins says that clearly.

            The majority of our problems are the fault of Larry Bird, not Donnie Walsh, Rick Carlisle, Jermaine O'Neal, or other players on the team.
            True, but I wonder. Rick's first year the players were basically the Walsh assembled group. Since then things got worse and since then Bird's fingerprints have to have been more on the team than when they got here he must be a strong suspect. How much has been DW, we just don't know for sure. Rick won in Detroit with no Bird, DW or JO. DW's teams have won without Bird. Only JO and Bird are truly uproven on their own in their current roles.

            Rick Carlisle should have been fired.
            False, but it that's the NBA for you. That's one reason teams continue to struggle, they change coaches but not players. You don't dump a guy who per season has been better than Sloan at this point, with Sloan just missing the post season a couple of seasons ago. Guys that lost in round 1 this year - Phil, JVG, Riley, Avery, COY Mitchell. Coaches have years like this, when it's once every 6 years it means they are great coaches. Scoreboard trumps all opinions.

            The Pacers will find a better coach for the Indiana Pacers for the 2007-2008 season than Rick Carlisle.
            False, probably. SVG is interesting, Ivoroni is interesting, heck JVG is interesting. But the bar is high, winning division titles and hitting the ECF every 3rd year is not the norm out there.

            Statistics can be used to support almost any argument, including two sides of the same argument.
            False. Not the same statistics. Stats are facts. All GOOD arguments are made by logic and facts, BAD arguments are based solely on opinion. When 1 set of facts suggests different views it's due to OPINION entering the debate, as in "I think those stats means X, not Y".

            Indiana Pacers fans are mostly comprised of fickle people who ride the latest bandwagon.
            True, at least since around 98 or so. Of course that's true of Indiana fans period, or did everyone stop going to IU in the 90's and did the RCA dome suddenly start selling itself out after years of apathy despite wins.

            Keith McLeod can be a solid backup point guard for the Indiana Pacers.
            False, Saras impact perhaps, but better than a Felton or Ellis or even Fisher? Nope.

            Jermaine O'Neal was never good enough to be the best player on a championship team.
            False, I think healthy JO hitting 48% of his shots is plenty good enough to lead the way. Haven't seen much of that lately.

            Jermaine O'Neal was never good enough to be the best player on a championship team, but the Indiana Pacers should still keep him unless there's a "no brainer" trade offer.
            True, talent is money in the NBA. You can't bartar and improve without it. That's why you should never overpay on talent in a trade. Certainly contract costs are a factor, but that still doesn't warrant a foolish "let's just move him to start fresh" attitude.


            Think of it as selling the stuff you have now to pay for the refurb on your home. The cheaper you go at the garage sale the less nice your house is going to look later. You may need the current stuff gone to start the process, but rushing it out only brings it to a halt later instead.

            Jermaine O'Neal is good enough to be the best player on a championship team.
            Didn't you just ask this? Yes, if JO could return to that level of shooting and be there down the stretch without major injury then yes. Not certain he's there or will be in the future.

            Contrary posters can go too far with their stance and become detrimental to a debate.
            True, but since half these questions appear based around me then I wonder if detrimental is code for "just won't shut up and agree with us". Was it detrimental last year when people complained about JO, Jack and Tins every day?

            Troy Murphy was limited by injuries this season and will look at least slightly better next year.
            False, WYSIWYG there. He'll get hot from 3 but he's not a good defender and nowhere near the rebounder Foster is. Not much else to say.

            The Indiana Pacers are closer to being a good team than the majority of fans realize.
            False, though I do think things could line up, I think that falls heavily on what happens with Danny, Shawne and Dun. But honestly I think the team is closer to disaster than a majority of fans realize.

            Pacers Digest, as of this posting, is more hostile than it should ever be.
            False. I don't think it's that bad.

            The Indiana Pacers have more talent on their current roster than the majority of fans realize.
            False.

            Larry Bird was probably smoking cigars, not weed, with John Mellencamp.
            Sheesh, isn't there a thread for this already.

            While they may have viewed it as a two-headed operation where one was not more "in charge" than the other, the truth is Donnie Walsh is responsible for most of the moves the Indiana Pacers have made the past 4 seasons.
            False, Shawne, Saras, Baston for certain weren't DW. Al, maybe, GS deal maybe, but I think that stuff was even a case of both or perhaps DW helping Bird take the team in a direction Larry wanted.

            Dislike of the 80's Boston Celtics and its players has clouded some people's judgments of Larry Bird's job as a General Manager.
            False, GM X takes team from title contender to doghouse. Most places GM X is fired. Come on.

            Too many people pretend to know who is responsible for what in regards to the Indiana Pacers' management, when the truth is no one on the outside knows a thing one way or the other.
            False, who's pretending? Bird said he scouted Shawne, Bird spent months in Europe scouting Saras and Baston. The rest is gray and everyone admits that.

            People with sources make their "reports" murky with opinion.
            Not sure what this refers to.

            Pacers Digest is damaged beyond repair.
            Is Able not telling us something?

            Herb Simon has more influence on management decisions than we will ever know.
            True.

            It is possible to be satisfied and happy as a fan of the Indiana Pacers without the team winning a championship.
            True, it is for me at least.

            Hard core fans take the Indiana Pacers and the NBA too seriously.
            False, I don't see anyone around here do more than discuss the team actively. Did I miss the part where people gave up their regular lives for the team other than sitting at Perkins till 3 am?

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            • #21
              Re: True or False 05-10-07

              True or False?

              Stephen Jackson did things as a Pacer that earned him having some fans dislike him.
              True.

              Race was not a major factor in wanting Stephen Jackson gone.
              True.

              Stephen Jackson isn't as bad as he's often made out to be when it comes to behavior.
              False.

              The trade with the Golden State Warriors is lop-sided because we got the least talented players.
              False.

              The trade with the Golden State Warriors is balanced because we dropped talented players who also carried negative issues, while adding less talented players without negative issues.
              True.

              The trade with the Golden State Warriors is not a bad trade IF Mike Dunleavy Jr. and Ike Diogu improve/develop.
              True.

              Mike Dunleavy Jr. is a smart basketball player.
              True.

              Openly and loudly cheering for another team is turning your back on the Indiana Pacers.
              It's true when you're doing it while bashing heavily the team you supposedly root for. I'd say it's false when you just are rooting for another team because your team is out of the playoffs.

              Maceo Baston is good enough to be in the rotation of a good team.
              False.

              Jamaal Tinsley will improve under a new coach.
              True.

              Jamaal Tinsley should stay an Indiana Pacer because it's best for the team.
              False.

              The majority of our problems are the fault of Larry Bird, not Donnie Walsh, Rick Carlisle, Jermaine O'Neal, or other players on the team.
              False.

              Rick Carlisle should have been fired.
              True.

              The Pacers will find a better coach for the Indiana Pacers for the 2007-2008 season than Rick Carlisle.
              True.

              Statistics can be used to support almost any argument, including two sides of the same argument.
              False.

              Indiana Pacers fans are mostly comprised of fickle people who ride the latest bandwagon.
              True.

              Keith McLeod can be a solid backup point guard for the Indiana Pacers.
              TRUE.

              Jermaine O'Neal was never good enough to be the best player on a championship team.
              False.

              Jermaine O'Neal was never good enough to be the best player on a championship team, but the Indiana Pacers should still keep him unless there's a "no brainer" trade offer.
              False.

              Jermaine O'Neal is good enough to be the best player on a championship team.
              True.

              Contrary posters can go too far with their stance and become detrimental to a debate.
              True.

              Troy Murphy was limited by injuries this season and will look at least slightly better next year.
              True.

              The Indiana Pacers are closer to being a good team than the majority of fans realize.
              True.

              Pacers Digest, as of this posting, is more hostile than it should ever be.
              True.

              The Indiana Pacers have more talent on their current roster than the majority of fans realize.
              True.

              Larry Bird was probably smoking cigars, not weed, with John Mellencamp.
              True.

              While they may have viewed it as a two-headed operation where one was not more "in charge" than the other, the truth is Donnie Walsh is responsible for most of the moves the Indiana Pacers have made the past 4 seasons.
              False.

              Dislike of the 80's Boston Celtics and its players has clouded some people's judgments of Larry Bird's job as a General Manager.
              True.

              Too many people pretend to know who is responsible for what in regards to the Indiana Pacers' management, when the truth is no one on the outside knows a thing one way or the other.
              True.

              People with sources make their "reports" murky with opinion.
              False.
              Pacers Digest is damaged beyond repair.
              False.

              Herb Simon has more influence on management decisions than we will ever know.
              False.

              It is possible to be satisfied and happy as a fan of the Indiana Pacers without the team winning a championship.
              True. (But that doesn't mean I'm content with never winning one.)

              Hard core fans take the Indiana Pacers and the NBA too seriously.
              False.
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              • #22
                Re: True or False 05-10-07

                True or False?

                Stephen Jackson did things as a Pacer that earned him having some fans dislike him.
                True

                Race was not a major factor in wanting Stephen Jackson gone.
                Race was a factor, but it had more to do with attitude. Jack reminded me a lot of Jeff George for the Colts, and everyone was pretty happy when he was gone.

                Stephen Jackson isn't as bad as he's often made out to be when it comes to behavior.
                I'd rate his citizenship as "below average" but I wouldn't condemn him as a terrible hardened criminal like some people on this board tend to.

                The trade with the Golden State Warriors is lop-sided because we got the least talented players.
                False. Harrington didn't fit into our system and I don't like the way he plays anyway. Saranus sucked terribly. Jackson was a good player but he was inconsistent and prone to melting down. The player I wish we would have retained, believe it or not, is Josh Powell. If we still had him we should have simply let Maceo go and resigned Powell to a 2-3 year deal.

                The trade with the Golden State Warriors is balanced because we dropped talented players who also carried negative issues, while adding less talented players without negative issues.
                Eh, kind of. We were bordering on mediocrity before, and now we're not very good at all, which might compel us to improve faster than we actually would have improved before.

                The trade with the Golden State Warriors is not a bad trade IF Mike Dunleavy Jr. and Ike Diogu improve/develop.
                True, but that's a pretty big if

                Mike Dunleavy Jr. is a smart basketball player.
                False

                Openly and loudly cheering for another team is turning your back on the Indiana Pacers.
                False. It's accepting the team turned their back on you. (I like that answer to whoever provided it originally)

                Maceo Baston is good enough to be in the rotation of a good team.
                True. He was poorly utilized by Carloser like so many other Pacers. The list is endless.

                Jamaal Tinsley will improve under a new coach.
                False. He won't be here for the new coach.


                Jamaal Tinsley should stay an Indiana Pacer because it's best for the team.
                False.

                The majority of our problems are the fault of Larry Bird, not Donnie Walsh, Rick Carlisle, Jermaine O'Neal, or other players on the team.
                True

                Rick Carlisle should have been fired.
                Absolutely True

                The Pacers will find a better coach for the Indiana Pacers for the 2007-2008 season than Rick Carlisle.
                Probably not. But we weren't going anywhere with Carlisle and we need to alter our style of play. It's a long rebuilding process. But maybe.

                Statistics can be used to support almost any argument, including two sides of the same argument.
                Of course


                Indiana Pacers fans are mostly comprised of fickle people who ride the latest bandwagon.
                False.

                Keith McLeod can be a solid backup point guard for the Indiana Pacers.
                Definately true

                Jermaine O'Neal was never good enough to be the best player on a championship team.
                False. He's the league's best second option, however.

                Jermaine O'Neal was never good enough to be the best player on a championship team, but the Indiana Pacers should still keep him unless there's a "no brainer" trade offer.

                Eh, I'll go with true, although I probably have a more liberal definition of a "no brainer" than some people on this board.

                Jermaine O'Neal is good enough to be the best player on a championship team.

                False.

                Contrary posters can go too far with their stance and become detrimental to a debate.
                It can happen but it's not only true.

                Troy Murphy was limited by injuries this season and will look at least slightly better next year.
                I'd like to hope so.

                The Indiana Pacers are closer to being a good team than the majority of fans realize.
                Um..I don't know what most fans really think. I'd say they're a middle of the road team that, if they make a couple of dramatic moves, can contend in the next 5-7 years but probably no better than that. They need to get on the right path to rebuilding, and even if their record isn't good, I'll consider them a good franchise moving in the right direction.

                Pacers Digest, as of this posting, is more hostile than it should ever be.
                True.

                The Indiana Pacers have more talent on their current roster than the majority of fans realize.
                True

                Larry Bird was probably smoking cigars, not weed, with John Mellencamp.
                False. It was the 1970's and they were talking about smoking under the table. That didn't have anything to do with cigars. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't enjoyed the night life since 1962

                While they may have viewed it as a two-headed operation where one was not more "in charge" than the other, the truth is Donnie Walsh is responsible for most of the moves the Indiana Pacers have made the past 4 seasons.
                I'd hope that it was Larry and that Donnie hasn't lost his touch and his ability to set the franchise on the right course right before he leaves.

                Dislike of the 80's Boston Celtics and its players has clouded some people's judgments of Larry Bird's job as a General Manager.
                Hahaha, absolutely not.

                Too many people pretend to know who is responsible for what in regards to the Indiana Pacers' management, when the truth is no one on the outside knows a thing one way or the other.
                True. That's fair.

                People with sources make their "reports" murky with opinion.
                True, but that's every aspect of the media.

                Pacers Digest is damaged beyond repair.
                I wish the admins were a little less polarizing, but it's not enough of a problem for me to make some dumb thread cussing them out and then getting banned. Ok, I'll shut my mouth and obey the rules


                Herb Simon has more influence on management decisions than we will ever know.
                I doubt it, but I don't think anyone knows for sure. Oh, to own a sports team!

                It is possible to be satisfied and happy as a fan of the Indiana Pacers without the team winning a championship.
                True

                Hard core fans take the Indiana Pacers and the NBA too seriously.
                True
                Proudly supporting the Indiana Pacers since 1992.

                Currently on the Darrell Armstrong, Mike Dunleavy, Jr., and Marquis Daniels bandwagons.

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                • #23
                  Re: True or False 05-10-07

                  Stephen Jackson did things as a Pacer that earned him having some fans dislike him. True

                  Race was not a major factor in wanting Stephen Jackson gone. False

                  Stephen Jackson isn't as bad as he's often made out to be when it comes to behavior. Depends on what day it is.

                  The trade with the Golden State Warriors is lop-sided because we got the least talented players. See Kegboy's answer.

                  The trade with the Golden State Warriors is balanced because we dropped talented players who also carried negative issues, while adding less talented players without negative issues. Let's see: team who hadn't been in the playoffs for 13 years get in and the team who hadn't been out of the playoffs in 10 years misses. I'm sure there's some statistics guru who could say that balances the universe or something like that.

                  The trade with the Golden State Warriors is not a bad trade IF Mike Dunleavy Jr. and Ike Diogu improve/develop. True, if they improve/develop enough to get the Pacers into at least the 2nd round of the playoffs.

                  Mike Dunleavy Jr. is a smart basketball player. Uh, true?

                  Openly and loudly cheering for another team is turning your back on the Indiana Pacers. Only if the other team is playing the Pacers at that time and you have your back to the court. New Question: If you're openly and loudly cheering for another team and no one is there to listen are you turning your back on the Pacers?

                  Maceo Baston is good enough to be in the rotation of a good team. Uh, whatever Kegboy said.

                  Jamaal Tinsley will improve under a new coach. Only if the coach is Dr. Rudy Wells from "The Six Million Dollar Man" and "The Bionic Woman."

                  Jamaal Tinsley should stay an Indiana Pacer because it's best for the team. False.

                  The majority of our problems are the fault of Larry Bird, not Donnie Walsh, Rick Carlisle, Jermaine O'Neal, or other players on the team.
                  Depends on how you look at it. To me Larry is 50% at fault. If you add up Donnie, Rick, Jermaine, and the rest of the team they're 50% at fault. I think that's a statistical push.

                  On the other hand if you think Larry is running the team then everything that Rick, Jermaine, and the rest of the team do is on him so I think that gives him the majority.

                  But then there's the fact that Donnie hired Larry in the first place so...my head hurts.


                  Rick Carlisle should have been fired. He shouldn't have gotten a contract extension in the first place.

                  The Pacers will find a better coach for the Indiana Pacers for the 2007-2008 season than Rick Carlisle. Depending on who's playing for the team I'm not sure Mr. Neismith could fix it. John Wooden would be smart enough not to even try.

                  Statistics can be used to support almost any argument, including two sides of the same argument. See colored answer above.

                  Indiana Pacers fans are mostly comprised of fickle people who ride the latest bandwagon. The fans last year or seven years ago?

                  Keith McLeod can be a solid backup point guard for the Indiana Pacers. I don't know, but I do know he's not better than Tinsley.

                  Jermaine O'Neal was never good enough to be the best player on a championship team. If he ever was 11/19 took care of that.

                  Jermaine O'Neal was never good enough to be the best player on a championship team, but the Indiana Pacers should still keep him unless there's a "no brainer" trade offer. No one is untradeable if the return is good enough (and no you can't have any Bulls in return for him).

                  Jermaine O'Neal is good enough to be the best player on a championship team. Well, since Lisa Leslie is on maternity leave this year I think he is as long as he's playing in the WNBA.

                  Contrary posters can go too far with their stance and become detrimental to a debate. I don't know because I put them on my ignore list before it becomes an issue with me.

                  Troy Murphy was limited by injuries this season and will look at least slightly better next year. So you're telling me he's the new version of Jamal Tinsley/Jonathan Bender.

                  The Indiana Pacers are closer to being a good team than the majority of fans realize. Depends on what your definition of good is. Best team not in the playoffs would be an improvement over this year, but I wouldn't say that is good.

                  Pacers Digest, as of this posting, is more hostile than it should ever be. It's been more hostile. I don't know what level of hostility is acceptable.

                  The Indiana Pacers have more talent on their current roster than the majority of fans realize. Mega FALSE

                  Larry Bird was probably smoking cigars, not weed, with John Mellencamp. There are so many places I could go with this, but I'll keep my mouth shut.


                  While they may have viewed it as a two-headed operation where one was not more "in charge" than the other, the truth is Donnie Walsh is responsible for most of the moves the Indiana Pacers have made the past 4 seasons. If you believe that Donnie all the sudden forgot how to run a team then you can believe he made this mess. Me, I think that statement is false.

                  Dislike of the 80's Boston Celtics and its players has clouded some people's judgments of Larry Bird's job as a General Manager. False

                  Too many people pretend to know who is responsible for what in regards to the Indiana Pacers' management, when the truth is no one on the outside knows a thing one way or the other. I know a person or two who know a person or two on the inside so I think that means I know everything that goes on inside the Pacers organization. I know it means I know more than the people at Channel 13 do.

                  People with sources make their "reports" murky with opinion. If you're referring to Peter Vesey I'd say that is absolutely, positively TRUE!

                  Pacers Digest is damaged beyond repair. Seems to be working fine at the moment.

                  Herb Simon has more influence on management decisions than we will ever know. Considering he owns the team I don't have a problem with that statement. However, I don't know if it's true or not.

                  It is possible to be satisfied and happy as a fan of the Indiana Pacers without the team winning a championship. 100% satisfied and 100% happy without a championship is a statistical improbability.

                  Hard core fans take the Indiana Pacers and the NBA too seriously. Don't you just hate questions where both answers are correct?

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