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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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  • #46
    Re: Kobe suspended 1 game for striking Ginobili

    Kobe suspended tonight vs. Knicks
    By Chris Sheridan
    ESPN.com


    Kobe Bryant was so stunned and angered by his one-game suspension, he took the extraordinary step Tuesday of asking NBA commissioner David Stern to convene an immediate appeal hearing.


    "I'm blown away by it. It makes no sense."
    -- Kobe Bryant on his suspension


    Shortly before 5 p.m. ET the league turned down that request, meaning Bryant had to sit out the Los Angeles Lakers' game against the New York Knicks at Madison Square Garden on Tuesday night. He wasn't paid for the game.

    Bryant was staying at the Lakers' team hotel just a few blocks from NBA headquarters in Manhattan and was on call to dash down Fifth Avenue to Stern's office if the request was granted. But barring the unlikeliest turn of events, Bryant was officially banned from the Garden for the Lakers' only visit of the season to play the Knicks.

    "This is not the process that we use at the NBA," Stu Jackson, the league's chief disciplinarian for on-court actions, said of Bryant's request. "Certainly, in theory, given the fact that the Lakers were in New York, we could have heard an appeal. But again, we never have, as it's not part of our process. He does have the right to an appeal at a later date. If he were to win that appeal, he would get his money back."
    "I've been waiting to play here, it's always been a fun place for me to play here, and I'm surprised. Shocked, by it, actually," Bryant said before his appeal was denied. "I unintentionally caught Manu Ginobili. What do you say, it's a basketball game. You unintentionally catch people with elbows every once in a while."

    The suspension, for elbowing Ginobili while Bryant was attempting a jump shot late in the Lakers' game against the Spurs on Sunday, caught Bryant completely off-guard.

    "I haven't seen a precedence for this. There's unintentional elbows that take place in a game all the time," Bryant told reporters at Madison Square Garden following the Lakers' shootaround. "I'm blown away by it. It makes no sense."

    The NBA news release announcing the suspension said Bryant was being penalized for "striking" Ginobili. Jackson elaborated on Tuesday.

    "Some of the determining factors were the fact that there was contact made with Ginobili above the shoulders and the fact that this particular action by Kobe was an unnatural basketball motion. Following a shot, he drove a stiff arm in a backward motion and struck Ginobili in the head," Jackson said. "We did not view this as an inadvertent action."

    No foul was called on the play.

    "This blow was so swift in real time that it's understandable why, in fact, an official would have missed the contact," Jackson said. "In our view, this was not an attempt to draw a foul."

    Bryant is averaging 28.4 points, 5.5 assists and 5.4 rebounds.

    Bryant scored 40 points in his only visit last season to Madison Square Garden, which he called his favorite place to play. Sasha Vujacic started in his place to the disappointment of a sellout crowd that booed when it was announced during pregame introductions that Bryant was not with the team because of the suspension.

    "We have one appearance in Madison Square Garden," Lakers coach Phil Jackson said earlier Tuesday. "People obviously look forward to this game because Kobe last year was being chanted 'MVP!' on this court during the course of a game in which he had a great game. The crowd obviously likes him here and likes to watch him play. To miss this game cheats the fans."

    Last season, Bryant was suspended for two games without pay for elbowing Mike Miller of the Memphis Grizzlies in the throat -- but Stu Jackson said that incident was not a factor in Tuesday's penalty.

    Chris Sheridan covers the NBA for ESPN Insider. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

    LINK
    12/27/2005 at Spurs - SamBear - 3

    1/2/2008 vs Memphis - SamBear - 19

    4/9/2014 - Luis Scola also recorded a season high with 24 points and Evan Turner added 23 for Indiana.

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    • #47
      Re: Kobe suspended 1 game for striking Ginobili

      Does no one else really see the thing that I do when I see this.

      Regardless of intent or not, this is on par with Supreme Dictator David Stern inforcing his NEW NBA on the world.

      Carmelo gets 15 games for one swing and Kobe gets a game in the course of play for an eblow. Expect Foster to be out the the rest of the year when he sets a block on an unexpecting defender and his shouldar is met by the guys face. Defender hits floor, and the legal screen becomes a 25 game suspension.

      The NBA will be a glorified game of HORSE in 10 years, watch.

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      • #48
        Re: Kobe suspended 1 game for striking Ginobili

        Originally posted by waxman View Post
        Kobe has a history of "accidentally" elbowing opponents.... ask Danny Granger.
        Mike Bibby

        Mike Miller

        etc
        Vulpes pilum mutat, non mores!

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        • #49
          Re: Kobe suspended 1 game for striking Ginobili

          Originally posted by colonialspacers View Post
          However, Phil Jackhole offered his opinion that "I have been a little disappointed with how Kobe has been treated as a premier player."

          That's what's wrong with the NBA, regardless of this incident "premier players" are expected to be treated differently than anyone else, while in the NFL, which enjoys much more popularity than the NBA right now, applies the same rules to everyone (see Chad Johnson).
          This to me is the bigger issue. All players should be treated equally....I could care less about a "premier player". I agree this is what is so wrong about the NBA. Gets old watching Wade, Kobe, Arenas etc. drive the lane, have defenders watch him go by without touching him...."TWEET" foul. As a fan, I'd love to see the Shaq's, Wade's etc. actually foul out of some games....would definitely make the NBA more credible!!

          As for the suspension....One game...big deal...and I bet it was retaliation, but hasn't typically been a suspension...usually a fine. The NBA is continuing their clean up the image campaign.

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          • #50
            Re: Kobe suspended 1 game for striking Ginobili

            The play when viewed from a distant shot looks like it could be incidental but a close up shot shows it to be strictly a cheap shot. He threw is arm to the side with mean intentions. I suppose Ginobli's swollen face was from incidental contact?

            The crybaby should be happy that it was only a one game suspension.

            As far as Jackson goes, his players over the years have reaped many "star" calls, especially after he works the refs through the media. MJ, Pippen, Shaq and Kobe have gotten away with numerous phantom calls.
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            • #51
              Re: Kobe suspended 1 game for striking Ginobili

              Originally posted by Ev_eezy View Post
              In control until Manu ran into his back. The elbow wasnt there until Manu ran into his back causing Kobe to lose his balance and throw his arm. Nobody seems to understand that when you lose your balance, your first instinct is to throw your arms.
              Quit making excuses for the knucklehead. It was an obvious cheap shot. He threw his arm straight out and clothes-lined him. If he had kept his arm in and hit him with only his elbow, it might have been a little different. He brought his arm around and straight back like you would a ball bat with much more force than to merely try to catch his balance.

              He's pissed because they're finally playing some road games and they can't handle the losing. That's what happens when your buddy Stern lines up the first half of the season with mostly home games. Now, it's time to pay the piper.
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              • #52
                Re: Kobe suspended 1 game for striking Ginobili

                Nobody is making excuses for the "knucklehead" if thats what you want to call him. Yes he's elbowed people before, but those were quite obviously intentional. Nobody has answered my question yet though so I'll ask again. If Kobe didn't lose his balance, then how did he nearly end up on his butt after Manu's push?

                Actually, don't answer the question. I know what I saw. Kobe is human like anybody else and threw his arms after Manu ran into him. Watch the slow motion replay 20-30 times like I have and pause it just before his arm goes swinging, then look at his position in the air, and Manu's position going into Kobe's back.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Kobe suspended 1 game for striking Ginobili

                    Originally posted by Ev_eezy View Post


                    My contention is that when Kobe threw his arm out it was with much more force than to simply put it behind him to catch his fall. He had some speed behind his arm with evil intent.
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                    • #55
                      Re: Kobe suspended 1 game for striking Ginobili

                      Originally posted by Roferr View Post
                      My contention is that when Kobe threw his arm out it was with much more force than to simply put it behind him to catch his fall. He had some speed behind his arm with evil intent.
                      He didn't try to put that arm behind him. When you're trying to prevent a bad fall, it's your natural instinct to put your arms out for balance. That's what he did.

                      Check out this random video of this girl falling. Look how fast her arm swings before she hits the ground. That was just as fast as Kobe's arm swung. When you're falling, you don't exactly hesitate to try to prevent a bad fall, at least most normal people don't.

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3G9CyWqUwU

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                      • #56
                        Re: Kobe suspended 1 game for striking Ginobili

                        Those screen captures are about as clear as pea soup. I still have yet to see ANYONE who was involved with the game even mention Manu ever touching Kobe.

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