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    Mike Dunleavy article and Pacers thought Jax was untradeable

    The part on jackson is in the second post

    http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/ar...2608&siteId=36


    marc j. spears - nba report
    Dunleavy: Perfect move
    By Marc J. Spears
    Denver Post NBA Beat Reporter
    Denver Post
    Article Last Updated:01/27/2007 10:46:08 PM MST

    It's music to new Indiana Pacers forward Mike Dunleavy Jr.'s ears that he isn't hearing the boos anymore.

    Dunleavy was drafted by Golden State with the third overall pick in 2002 after his junior season at Duke. Much was expected from the versatile guard-forward upon arrival to Oakland, Calif., after he was selected before the likes of Amare Stoudemire, Caron Butler, Nene, Oakland's own Drew Gooden and much later in the draft Tayshaun Prince and Carlos Boozer. And with the high pick came expectations Dunleavy would be an NBA all-star.

    "People wanted a lot more out of me," Dunleavy said. "I didn't really look at it like that like, 'I'm the third pick and I have to do this.' I just tried to play the right way. What happened happened. It didn't work out. But being the third pick, I earned that."

    Dunleavy averaged 5.7 points as a rookie and 11.7 and 13.4 points the next two seasons, respectively. While he had respectable growth, Warriors fans expected a superstar.

    Before the 2005-06 season, expectations grew much greater when the Warriors signed him to five-year, $45 million contract. And after Dunleavy started last season slowly, Golden State fans began booing him after any mistake was made at home.

    It got so bad that even if he hit several shots in a row he would get booed again once he missed. And even when he had 18 points, 13 rebounds, three assists and a blocked shot in his final Warriors game against the Los Angeles Clippers on Jan. 15, the home fans still booed.

    "At first it was disappointing because I am a sports fan," Dunleavy said. "I don't think that's necessary if you're out there playing your (butt) off and trying to help the team win. If you're not playing hard and messing up off the court, I can understand. But it got to be ridiculous. ...

    "It affected other people more than it affected me. My teammates, coaches and the staff, it was rattling them more than me."

    The booing ended Jan. 18 when Dunleavy, forward Troy Murphy and Ike Diogu and guard Keith McLeod were dealt to Indiana for forward Al Harrington, swingman Stephen Jackson, forward Josh Powell and guard Sarunas Jasikevicius. Dunleavy, whose San Francisco crib is already up for sale, couldn't be happier. The 6-foot-9, 230-pounder averaged 12.7 points, five rebounds and four assists in his first three games with Indiana, numbers slightly better than he had at Golden State this season. He said he never asked Golden State to trade him.

    "I always had a feeling that I needed to be moved. It was a big relief," Dunleavy said.

    Another team interested in Dunleavy was the Clippers, who are coached by his father, Mike Dunleavy Sr. Rumors still persist about a potential exchange for Clippers swingman Corey Maggette. But if you thought the pressure of playing in Golden State was tough, imagine what it would be like playing for Pops. Junior feels such a situation could be "shaky."

    "It's not so much the pressure," Dunleavy Jr. said. "It just can be an awkward situation. Here I have a fresh start. Normal. Just one of the guys on the team. It's a clean slate.

    "If I played for my dad it's a whole different realm. It's a new team. But how do you deal with relationships with teammates? There is a lot of different variables."

    After a tumultuous tenure in Oakland, Dunleavy is now in bliss in Indianapolis.

    The slender swingman is not playing out of position at power forward anymore. The draft is old news there. And with a huge need in Indiana for clean-cut guys without a rap sheet, he is exactly what the Pacers needed. The booing? It won't return until he is in tough Oakland again.

    "I honestly tried my best. It didn't work out. It's best for me and the Warriors," he said.

    Footnotes

    The Boston Celtics are the front-runner to land Memphis center Pau Gasol. The Celtics are dangling talented young forward Al Jefferson and several draft picks. Memphis is desperately trying to cut costs. ... Word is that the formula to land swingman Maggette via trade is a decent veteran, a good young player and a future first-round pick. ... BDA Sports vice president of marketing Bill Sanders laughed at the rumor that Houston Rockets all-star center Yao Ming, one of his company's clients, was dating actress Nia Long. "If he is dating Nia Long, then I'm dating Paris Hilton," Sanders said. ... Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony's fiancée, La La Vasquez, said last week that her pregnancy was going well and that her baby boy was on schedule to be born soon after NBA All-Star Weekend in Las Vegas in February. ... One NBA agent said rumblings that Ohio State center Greg Oden is seriously considering staying in school are getting louder. Once Oden decides to go pro, expect him to be represented by his AAU coach and former Olympic champion Mike Conley. Conley also is rumored to likely represent Duke sophomore forward Josh McRoberts if he leaves school early. ... Former Colorado forward Chris Copeland recently was signed by Fort Worth of the NBADL. ... One NBA draft prospect sleeper to watch is Virginia State's Avis Wyatt, a 6-11, 230-pound senior center.

    MARC J. SPEARS' NBA MIDSEASON AWARDS
    MOST VALUABLE PLAYER

    Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant

    Comment: Bryant has led the Lakers to a winning record with the team's only other upper-echelon player, Lamar Odom, out with an injury. He also is making his teammates better. Washington's Gilbert Arenas, Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki and Phoenix's Steve Nash deserve mention.

    COACH

    Phil Jackson, Los Angeles Lakers

    Comment: No Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen. No Shaq and Kobe. It's just Kobe and role players, and Jackson has the Lakers winning. Dallas' Avery Johnson, Denver's George Karl and Phoenix's Mike D'Antoni deserve mention.

    MOST IMPROVED PLAYER

    Sacramento Kings guard Kevin Martin

    Comment: Martin has nearly doubled his scoring average to 20.5 per game through Friday and has nicely filled Bonzi Wells' shoes as a scoring threat. The Lakers' Luke Walton, Denver's J.R. Smith and Utah's Carlos Boozer deserve mention.

    DEFENSIVE PLAYER

    Nuggets center Marcus Camby

    Comment: Camby was second in the NBA in defensive rebounds per game (9.8) through Friday, was third in blocked shots per game (2.9) and second in rebounds per 48 minutes (18.2). Without him, Denver isn't a playoff team. Charlotte's Emeka Okafor, Phoenix's Shawn Marion and Minnesota's Kevin Garnett deserve mention.

    SIXTH MAN

    Chicago Bulls guard Ben Gordon

    Comment: Gordon is averaging a team-best 21.3 points off the bench. Only one sixth man, Milwaukee's Ricky Pierce in 1989-90, has led his team in scoring. Phoenix guard Leandro Barbosa was also considered.

    ROOKIE

    Portland Trail Blazers guard Brandon Roy

    Comment: Even with an early-season injury, Roy has locked down the award in a weak rookie class. The former University of Washington star plays like a veteran and is averaging 14.3 points, 4.3 rebounds and 2.9 assists through Friday's games.

    SPOTLIGHT ON ... NUGGETS CENTER MARCUS CAMBY
    Background: The 11-year NBA veteran has never been an all-star. Missing 16 games before Western Conference coaches voted for reserves last season likely cost the 6-foot-11, 235-pounder an all-star roster spot despite solid statistics. He finished last season averaging 12.8 points, career-highs of 11.9 rebounds and 1.4 steals per game and led the NBA with 3.29 blocked shots per game. "I broke my finger and missed an extended period of time," Camby said. "I've seen other guys make it with injuries."

    What's up: Camby is the West's most deserving true center candidate. He is averaging 12.3 points, an NBA-leading 12.5 rebounds, ranked third in blocked shots per game (2.9) and also averaged 2.9 assists. If the NBA goes with a true center to replace Houston's Yao Ming, who was voted in by the fans, Camby's biggest competition will be Phoenix's Amare Stoudemire while Utah's Mehmet Okur is a dark horse. Stoudemire is averaging 18.7 points, 9.1 rebounds and ranked third in the NBA in field-goal percentage (.605). While talented, Stoudemire's offensive numbers are strongly aided by two-time MVP guard Steve Nash. Camby ranks 14th in NBA efficiency rating (23.53) while Stoudemire is 21st (22.1).

    "I would love to make the (West all-star) team," Camby said. "But I'm not going to cross my fingers and be let down."

    What's next: NBA commissioner David Stern will pick Yao's replacement. Western Conference coaches will pick seven West all-star reserves who will be announced Thursday. Camby will be hurt by tough competition from a long list of deserving forwards, including Denver's Carmelo Anthony, Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki, Utah's Carlos Boozer, Phoenix's Shawn Marion, Dallas' Josh Howard and the Los Angeles Clippers' Elton Brand. Could Denver have three all-stars in a likely addition of guard Allen Iverson, Anthony and Camby? Iverson and Anthony strongly overshadow Camby in popularity and media attention.

    "They are great players that will be on the team," Camby said about Iverson and Anthony. "I get overshadowed a lot."

    Spears' take: Camby flat out deserves to be there. If the West coaches truly weigh the statistics and importance to the team, he will be there. Camby played a key role in the Nuggets staying afloat during Anthony's 15-game suspension. Unfortunately, politics and a long list of competition in the talented West will hurt him.

    Camby: Ewing the best
    Nuggets forward Marcus Camby has played with numerous superstars during his 11-year NBA career. Camby lists Patrick Ewing as the best and declined to rank his other four favorites.

    * Carmelo Anthony

    * Patrick Ewing

    * Allan Houston

    * Allen Iverson

    * Latrell Sprewell
    Tags: None
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    Re: Mike Dunleavy article and Pacers thought Jax was untradeable

    Mike Monroe's NBA Beat notebook

    Web Posted: 01/27/2007 11:44 PM CST


    San Antonio Express-News

    Kudos to Antonio McDyess. McDyess showed restraint after he and Kevin Garnett got involved in a near-fight in Minneapolis on Jan. 19. After they were separated. McDyess said a courtside fan started hollering at him, threatening him and using the most inflammatory of racial epithets. "That really made me angry, and I thought about going after the guy," McDyess said. "I mean, if we get suspended and thrown out, why can't the fan get thrown out if the referee is listening to that. But I just walked away. I wasn't going to do a Ron Artest." ...

    A member of Pacers' basketball staff whispered in our ear a few days ago that the atmosphere in the Indy locker room is 100 percent better now that one-time Spurs player Stephen Jackson isn't in it, traded to the Warriors. "We actually thought he was untradeable and couldn't believe we were able to get rid of him in the trade," our friend said. ...

    By blowing an 18-point lead to Atlanta on Wednesday, the Celtics set a franchise record for consecutive home losses with eight, eclipsing the seven from both the 1993-94 and '96-97 seasons. This is a franchise that once lost only eight home games over the course of three complete seasons (1985-86 through 1987-88). ...

    Every time the Nets play the Warriors in Oakland, local media types ask Jason Kidd if he'd like to return to his hometown some day and play for the Warriors. Kidd used to say it would be great if that could happen. This time, he said he's happy in New Jersey and wants to finish out his career there. ...

    Until he airballed a late 3-point try that could have sent Friday's game at Utah into overtime, Steve Blake had been money in the bank on big shots since joining the Nuggets. His four-point play at Houston and two late 3-pointers against Seattle sealed two Nuggets victories. ...

    Jazz coach Jerry Sloan never has had a curfew for his players, but after two of his players were accused of sexual assault at 2:30 in the morning (no charges were filed) he has told them to be in their hotel rooms by midnight when the team travels.

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    • #3
      Re: Mike Dunleavy article and Pacers thought Jax was untradeable

      Originally posted by Mike Dunleavy
      "I didn't really look at it like, 'I'm the third pick and I have to do this.' I just tried to play the right way.
      Remember the thread we had not long ago about, "playing the right way?"

      We've gotten what we wished for.
      And I won't be here to see the day
      It all dries up and blows away
      I'd hang around just to see
      But they never had much use for me
      In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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      • #4
        Re: Mike Dunleavy article and Pacers thought Jax was untradeable

        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
        A member of Pacers' basketball staff whispered in our ear a few days ago that the atmosphere in the Indy locker room is 100 percent better now that one-time Spurs player Stephen Jackson isn't in it, traded to the Warriors. "We actually thought he was untradeable and couldn't believe we were able to get rid of him in the trade," our friend said. ...
        There it is. I remember someone saying that RC and Jack had a close relationship. I wonder if he will give Jack a big hug on 2/5...LMAO!!!

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        • #5
          Re: Mike Dunleavy article and Pacers thought Jax was untradeable

          "rid of him" is the perfect use of words there....

          I'm glad we made the trade. I miss Al's personality, but not his game. The new guys are working out well. Even if they weren't, that was a great trade for us...



          RESIDENT COUNTING THREAD PHILOSOPHIZER

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          • #6
            Re: Mike Dunleavy article and Pacers thought Jax was untradeable

            I suspected as much.

            Even if the product on the floor wasn't better (and it seems to be), I think the trade was very good for us in a "what it enables us to do" type way.

            As in, we don't have to wonder if we can find someone to take Stephen Jackson off our hands.
            This space for rent.

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            • #7
              Re: Mike Dunleavy article and Pacers thought Jax was untradeable

              I'm not sure any player is truly 'untradeable'. It just depends on how the egos of the wheelers and dealers play out. Which egos think their system, city, coach, players are superior enough to make someone else's bad egg(s) work for them... Compared to how willing the other side is to cut their losses and at what cost can they accept...

              When you look around the league, and take a look at history, there are plenty trades of 'untradeable' players. Whether they were deemed untradeable because of their contract, their behavior, their popularity, or whatever... when push comes to shove TPTB finds a way to get it done- when they want to bad enough.

              -Bball
              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

              ------

              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

              -John Wooden

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              • #8
                Re: Mike Dunleavy article and Pacers thought Jax was untradeable

                That one guy lists four players as considerable DPOY, but not Jermaine.

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                • #9
                  Re: Mike Dunleavy article and Pacers thought Jax was untradeable

                  Isn't it nice to read about new players who say they are "happy to be here" and really mean it?
                  The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Mike Dunleavy article and Pacers thought Jax was untradeable

                    Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                    That one guy lists four players as considerable DPOY, but not Jermaine.
                    I find it interesting that normally the guy leading the league in blocks always gets kudos for being great defensively but it seems JO is being totally ignored SI has a recent article about the "best" blockers in the nba this year and I couldn't find any mention of JO..
                    You didn't think it was gonna be that easy, did you? ..... You know, for a second there, yeah, I kinda did.....
                    Silly rabbit..... Trix are for kids.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Mike Dunleavy article and Pacers thought Jax was untradeable

                      Make no mistake though the Warriors probably believed that Troy and Mike were untradeable at least to a large degree. Most teams in the NBA would have wanted nothing to do with their contracts - but we did because it allowed us to get rid of Jax

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                      • #12
                        Re: Mike Dunleavy article and Pacers thought Jax was untradeable

                        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                        Make no mistake though the Warriors probably believed that Troy and Mike were untradeable at least to a large degree. Most teams in the NBA would have wanted nothing to do with their contracts - but we did because it allowed us to get rid of Jax
                        And it cleans up the image for the next few years at least.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Mike Dunleavy article and Pacers thought Jax was untradeable

                          Originally posted by ABADays View Post
                          Isn't it nice to read about new players who say they are "happy to be here" and really mean it?
                          No, because they all say that. What I prefer is guys that join the team and DON'T SAY "that last team sucked, I hated being there, so glad to be out".

                          I don't need to hear DunDun or Murph or DA or anyone rip into their former team as some justification. When they join the team and don't trash out the last one, then I think you feel good about who you just acquired. So far I think that's how all the recent Pacers additions have been.

                          Of course Al talked that way too and then surprised us all by ripping away at Indy once he was gone again.


                          BTW, Jack hasn't put up great numbers, but so far the results they are getting with him on the court prove why he was tradable. Maybe he's a locker room problem, hard to be sure from one secret source. We've heard rumors about lots of guys being problems, including AJ and Fred. So we don't know for sure on that.

                          To me the trade was a lot more about moving Al based on how Rick spoke of him after the deal and his benching for the 2nd half just before that. Seeing how much better Trophy fits with JO proves that it was a good decision, and hearing Al take his "I'm gonna do a Ron Artest/I really wanted to join the Warriors anyway" act to GS makes it even better.

                          Those weren't secrect comments, those were public statements, so to me they carry a lot more power than the towel boy with the Pacers telling a reporter it was bad.


                          But both are playing great for GS, at least by their standards. We're happy, their happy. Good trade.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Mike Dunleavy article and Pacers thought Jax was untradeable

                            Originally posted by quiller View Post
                            I find it interesting that normally the guy leading the league in blocks always gets kudos for being great defensively but it seems JO is being totally ignored SI has a recent article about the "best" blockers in the nba this year and I couldn't find any mention of JO..
                            Seriously, WTF on this issue? It shouldn't even be close either.

                            On top of that, it's not like he's low profile, hasn't been an MVP candidate before, etc. This isn't the unknown guy with an unknown team. His name is mentioned all the time. He's no less known than someone like KG at this point (partly because of the brawl of course).

                            If this was Reggie Evans or someone I could see being overlooked by accident.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Mike Dunleavy article and Pacers thought Jax was untradeable

                              I love this trade, at first i was mad about runi being gone but it was for the best. the trade has been great for us so far...Danny Granger has stepped his game up and same for the rest of the team, last nights game vs Toronto it really showed.
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