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Odd thoughts after 21 games & beating Portland

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  • #46
    Re: Odd thoughts after 21 games & beating Portland

    Take JO out of our lineup and we have no interior defense whatsover.

    I sympathize with the thought that running the offense through JO all the time is not pretty to watch and will not take us close to a championship, but it was also awful tonight watching our lack of interior defense. We were not nearly big enough or good enough tonight to compete with the Cavs on the inside.

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    • #47
      Re: Odd thoughts after 21 games & beating Portland

      Originally posted by Shade View Post
      The problem concerning JO and the Pacers is pretty simple, really. We're trying to run superstar plays...and JO is not a superstar.

      Don't get me wrong, he's a very good player, but he's not on the same level as a Kobe or Wade or even Iverson. If JO were our second-best player, we'd be all set. In fact, when Ron was here, JO WAS our second-best player. And that's when we were close to being title contenders. Unfortunately, having a superstar who's a bonehead is no better than trying to run superstar plays for a regular star player.
      Amen. JO is nowhere near SUPERSTAR status.

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      • #48
        Re: Odd thoughts after 21 games & beating Portland

        Originally posted by Arcadian View Post
        I'd like to know how many superstars make their teams true title contenders without a second all star?

        I don't know about all this Batman and Robin but the reality is the Pacers overall talent level isn't good enough top be contenders. Replace JO with any player and we still wouldn't be contenders.
        JO IS Robin and Batman retired a couple years ago...and is working as an analyst.

        But you are right, it would take more than replacing JO with just about anyone except Lebron James. Our main problem is a poor strategy and a string of bad personnel decisions.

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        • #49
          Re: Odd thoughts after 21 games & beating Portland

          Also big men are always under-appreciated.
          "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

          "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."

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          • #50
            Re: Odd thoughts after 21 games & beating Portland

            Originally posted by Peck View Post
            Well leave it to Shade to have to come in & clean up my mess.

            This is exactly the right answer without all of the bile & hatred that I was uttering.

            To use a DC analogy (forgive me Scott) J.O. would be a good Robin to someones Batman.

            However I think J.O. envisions himself more along the lines of the all-father Odin.
            Hopefully JO is soon the Robin to Iverson's Batman.




            Ooh.... just thought of this: Then we can win it all with two players that you can't stand. Just kidding there, of course.

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            • #51
              Re: Odd thoughts after 21 games & beating Portland

              Excuse me, did I miss something?

              I love Jermanine very much and think he is a very good player, but of course I know he is not as great as Tim Duncan. And if there are fans who think J.O. is not better than Gooden or Rahim, it doesn't matter for me. Although I don't agree with them, that's their opinion. I respect that.

              But, in my opinion, even if it's Tim Duncan, any players shouldn't be given a right to DEMAND to change the style of the team. To say just his opinion, I think that's OK. Jermaine could say his when he feeled the style was the problem, and at least it's his right.

              And Rick, or Larry and Donny had their rights to disagree with him when they feeled his opinion was wrong or not good for the team. Then why should they be FORCED to obey J.O.?? Why couldn't they disagree with him and couldn't they persuade him to figure better conclusion? It was their job, wasn't it?

              I'm not saying J.O.'s expressing his feeling in an emotional way was best thing he could do. But he was not only person to be blamed. If Rick, Larry and Donny blindly obeyed him and it caused the team going into wrong direction, it was their fault too.

              It was not about whether J.O. is great player or not. Even if that was Tim Duncan, I think Popovich shouldn't allow him to DEMAND to change the style of the team. Coach should tell it his player, it's coach's job.

              Anyway, I agree with Burtrem Redneck. We never know what was really going on in the lockerroom from what based on just some comments on media. Maybe J.O. really DEMANDed to adjust the team to his comfortable style and not cared what was good for the team, but who knows? Maybe he just wanted to win and honestly wanted to say something what he thought the best way for the team was, although it might not be a perfect opinion. There are nothing to prove J.O. is not a selfish player, but nothing to prove he is selfish either.

              Sorry for my poor English. If there are error on spelling or grammer, please let me know... I am willing to learn.
              If there are error on spelling or grammer, please let me know... I am willing to learn.

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              • #52
                Re: Odd thoughts after 21 games & beating Portland

                So then we all agree that JO needs another all-star caliber player in order for us to win a title. Hmmm, I wonder where we could find an all-star player for below market value?

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                • #53
                  Re: Odd thoughts after 21 games & beating Portland

                  Originally posted by Eindar View Post
                  So then we all agree that JO needs another all-star caliber player in order for us to win a title. Hmmm, I wonder where we could find an all-star player for below market value?
                  I thought Al Harrington was supposed to be this "be-all-end-all" that was needed to compliment JO. At least that was what was being shoved down my throat this past summer by people that disagreed with me. What happend to that?
                  Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Odd thoughts after 21 games & beating Portland

                    Originally posted by R-R View Post
                    Sorry for my poor English. If there are error on spelling or grammer, please let me know... I am willing to learn.
                    Your English is better than most. Don't worry about it. And while we're at it, so is your posting. Do it more often.
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                    • #55
                      Re: Odd thoughts after 21 games & beating Portland

                      Originally posted by JayRedd View Post
                      Your English is better than most. Don't worry about it. And while we're at it, so is your posting. Do it more often.
                      Thank you. Your words encouraged me.
                      Actually, the biggest problem on my English skill is, I'm a desperately slow writer...
                      If there are error on spelling or grammer, please let me know... I am willing to learn.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Odd thoughts after 21 games & beating Portland

                        Originally posted by JayRedd View Post
                        Your English is better than most. Don't worry about it. And while we're at it, so is your posting. Do it more often.
                        Agreed.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Odd thoughts after 21 games & beating Portland

                          Originally posted by R-R View Post
                          Thank you. Your words encouraged me.
                          Actually, the biggest problem on my English skill is, I'm a desperately slow writer...
                          Practice will make perfect. I find the Google spell checker helpful.

                          You know how to bang out those smilies, so you're most of the way there already as a poster.

                          You are doing great.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Odd thoughts after 21 games & beating Portland

                            Originally posted by indygeezer View Post
                            I thought Al Harrington was supposed to be this "be-all-end-all" that was needed to compliment JO. At least that was what was being shoved down my throat this past summer by people that disagreed with me. What happend to that?
                            Geez, have you been disappointed in Al's play? I for one have not. What I remember people saying is Al would be a decent pickup at a fair price.

                            Don't hurt me we're still friends, but tell your buddy Cato the Colts need some real help on their D.
                            You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                            • #59
                              Re: Odd thoughts after 21 games & beating Portland

                              I'm not crazy JO fan and don't hate him either.

                              He is what he is. He is not superb passer and rebounder but excellent scorer and shot blocker. He is fast but thin even for PF. He has excellent moves and his shot is OK. He is what most people here think he is - Robin. If he would add one of the things - passing or rebounds and mature, he would become Batman. I guess he can add passing with experience.

                              Is this enough to be a franchise player? For some teams, yes. For mediocre teams that unfortunately Pacers are right now.
                              Yours truly,
                              Israfan, former Lithfan

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                              • #60
                                Re: Odd thoughts after 21 games & beating Portland

                                Originally posted by Israfan View Post
                                Is this enough to be a franchise player? For some teams, yes. For mediocre teams that unfortunately Pacers are right now.
                                Sadly, it's true. I have to admit at present.

                                I also admit Jermanine is not a type of player who completely suits the style of teamball. I understand some fans are frustrated by the fact (and by his emotional attitude sometimes).

                                But I think J.O. has tried to adjust himself. I believe at least he's tried, although he still needs much more effort. That's why his passing skill is improving, I believe.

                                I think it's natural way that any player who believe he can help his team wants to play in his comfortable style. I can't blame him for that only. And if it is not good way for the team, coaches should tell him, make him understand what the better way is. As I said before, it's coaches' job.

                                Don't get me wrong, I am always a big fan of Peck's post. This is rare case I couldn't agree with you, but anyway...

                                By the way, I thank the posters who gave me encouragement. It helps me a lot. Thanks again.
                                If there are error on spelling or grammer, please let me know... I am willing to learn.

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