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    The Knicks made an inquiry into PG Chucky Atkins, bought out by the Wizards yesterday. However, sources said he'll be signing with Memphis in a prearranged deal. Like the Knicks, Memphis was searching for a backup PG.

    http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/61815.htm

    Looks like I guessed right.... which it makes the most sense...

    Why Not Us ?

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      Pieces from Tuesday's and Wednesday's NJ Daily(Newark Star Ledger) column..

      Other bigs, they’ll take under consideration when opportunities arise.

      Wednesday, January 18, 2006
      2. The Nets are now convinced that there’s nothing they can do to get Chris Wilcox. We told you back in November that Elgin Baylor didn’t even want his draft pick back. Now they’re just telling the Nets this: We’re not interested in anything you have to offer. And the Nets are convinced that they’re using Wilcox for a bigger deal – if not Artest, then something else.


      Dave: What is it going to take for the Nets to get Chris Wilcox?

      As for Wilcox: The last time they talked to Elgin Baylor, he didn’t even want his first-round pick back, and he didn’t want of the spare parts on the Nets’ roster, either. Even now, the Clips believe Wilcox is one of the pieces that would help them acquire Artest. And last I heard, Nets/Clips haven’t talked lately, but there’s still 37 days before the deadline.
      http://www.nj.com/newslogs/nets/

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        Originally posted by Frank Slade
        Pieces from Tuesday's and Wednesday's NJ Daily(Newark Star Ledger) column..

        Other bigs, they’ll take under consideration when opportunities arise.

        Wednesday, January 18, 2006
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        Dave: What is it going to take for the Nets to get Chris Wilcox?



        http://www.nj.com/newslogs/nets/

        Thanks for digging that up.

        When does Maggette's cast come off? Right around the trade deadline, I think. At that time, doctors can do a full physical test on his foot and ankle, and if it's favorable I can see the Pacers making either the 1-for-1 Artest/Maggette trade, or include Wilcox to sweeten the deal, with another one of our players (Jones, Johnson) going to the Clips.
        "I'll always be a part of Donnie Walsh."
        -Ron Artest, Denver Post, 12.28.05

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          I thought it was said last week that his cast would come off in 2 or 3 weeks.

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            Originally posted by Will Galen
            I thought it was said last week that his cast would come off in 2 or 3 weeks.
            I hope you're right about that.


            FYI, everyone, CLubLakers.com is back up. Here's the most recent page of the Artest trade thread, so you can get caught up:

            http://www.clublakers.com/forums/vie...df5b771ac18ce8
            "I'll always be a part of Donnie Walsh."
            -Ron Artest, Denver Post, 12.28.05

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              Originally posted by blanket
              I hope you're right about that.


              FYI, everyone, CLubLakers.com is back up. Here's the most recent page of the Artest trade thread, so you can get caught up:

              http://www.clublakers.com/forums/vie...df5b771ac18ce8
              "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                Originally posted by GetOdom
                Thanks for the heads up CableKC but I wouldn't look to much into it Wilcox has always been in a dog-house.
                Could be....but considering that he has averaged about 15mpg over the last month and didn't even play any garbage minutes......it seems odd.

                Interesting thing to note though about Wilcox:

                Despite averaging about 15 mpg over the last 6 games in January, he put up 5.3ppg/6.2rpg. Not bad for 15 minutes. If given the minutes, he could be a solid backup PF. Too bad we don't have the money to sign him in the offseason.
                Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                  OK, Wilcox...I know he has shown flashes of being something very exciting but how is he an exciting prospect for the Pacers? Something better than say Fred Jones who right now is one of our most consistent scorers and players overall?

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                    How slow can a day be when there talking about Chucky Atkins rather then Ron? seriously i better see a update from one of the TNT broadcasts tonight on Ron this is ridiclous.

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                      Anyone have ESPN Insider access to post the latest Chad Ford chat?

                      http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=10531

                      Probably nothing Artest-related, but...
                      "I'll always be a part of Donnie Walsh."
                      -Ron Artest, Denver Post, 12.28.05

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                        Chad Ford said thre is nothing new on the Artest trade front.

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                          PRETTY BIG MAGGETTE UPDATE BELOW!

                          Browsing the web....came to ClippersTalk, which appears to be the Clippers answer to PD (aka, best Clippers board on the net )....

                          Appearantly, Corey Maggette did a live radio interview with a station in LA, 570 AM...here's the thread URL - http://p199.ezboard.com/fclippersfrm...cID=7813.topic

                          Below is me relaying what I read, and you can read for yourself, I didnt hear the interview or I wouldve posted this a lot sooner....

                          Appearantly Maggette's cast is already off. He was asked if he'll return this year....he said he went on his tip-toes with no pain....he'll be running in 2 weeks. He's still concerned about explosion, but we'll see in 2 weeks. Said he's broke nothing, and he's thankful for that.

                          About an hour later, the hosts had a follow up conversation on Maggette/Artest/Sprewell...

                          Spree should no doubt take the minimum with a contender like Detroit or Miami.

                          Artest was seen again at a Laker game and has been in LA for awhile...as if he is moving here. All three guys on 570AM saw this Artest - Maggs deal still happening. Two of them supported it and the other not. And for all the obvious reasons.....

                          Supporting it was THE CLIPPERS MUST MAKE THE PLAYOFFS! MUST MUST MUST. This is it. Now was the sentiment. Too much has been put into this team now to blow it. Everything is in place to make a playoff run if we fill the CM hole with an equal.

                          This was a bunch of guys who know the LA inside scene and I got the feeling that there is still avery good chance this deal happens.....

                          Appearantly, all 3 of the hosts, and myself, still feel there's something in the works with the Pacers and Clippers.

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                          My thoughts - I still think an Artest/Maggette deal will go down. The only reason it didn't before is, with Maggette out, the Pacers had much more to lose than gain by doing the deal then. Maggette's season was still in question, long term health, etc. I believe right now, the Pacers are using the Lakers, Clippers, and possibly Warriors in a bidding war against each other. That explains why they have no problem with Artest at the Laker games - the more the Lakers like him, the more they'll offer, the more other teams will have to top. I think at this point, nothing short of Lamar Odom or possibly Andrew Bynum will get Artest to the Lakers. No Kwame Brown, Miami 1st, Devean George etc. If Lakers aren't willing to give either of those guys up, then Indiana's got better deals in the works with Pacific Division rivals Clippers and Warriors. The Warriors deal is possibly/hopefully Pietrus and either Ike Diogu or Andris Beidrins. And ofcourse the Clippers with Maggette.
                          Based on gut feelings,and what I've read the past 2 weeks, I would say there's a 50% Artest goes to the Clippers, 20% he goes to the Lakers, 10% he goes to the Warriors, and 20% chance he goes somewhere else.

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                            Sorry if I seem overeager, but after days and days of absolutely nothing, I got pretty excited over this.

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                              Originally posted by DG-33
                              PRETTY BIG MAGGETTE UPDATE BELOW!

                              Browsing the web....came to ClippersTalk, which appears to be the Clippers answer to PD (aka, best Clippers board on the net )....

                              Appearantly, Corey Maggette did a live radio interview with a station in LA, 570 AM...here's the thread URL - http://p199.ezboard.com/fclippersfrm...cID=7813.topic

                              Below is me relaying what I read, and you can read for yourself, I didnt hear the interview or I wouldve posted this a lot sooner....

                              Appearantly Maggette's cast is already off. He was asked if he'll return this year....he said he went on his tip-toes with no pain....he'll be running in 2 weeks. He's still concerned about explosion, but we'll see in 2 weeks. Said he's broke nothing, and he's thankful for that.

                              About an hour later, the hosts had a follow up conversation on Maggette/Artest/Sprewell...

                              Spree should no doubt take the minimum with a contender like Detroit or Miami.

                              Artest was seen again at a Laker game and has been in LA for awhile...as if he is moving here. All three guys on 570AM saw this Artest - Maggs deal still happening. Two of them supported it and the other not. And for all the obvious reasons.....

                              Supporting it was THE CLIPPERS MUST MAKE THE PLAYOFFS! MUST MUST MUST. This is it. Now was the sentiment. Too much has been put into this team now to blow it. Everything is in place to make a playoff run if we fill the CM hole with an equal.

                              This was a bunch of guys who know the LA inside seen and I got the feeling that there is still avery good chance this deal happens.....

                              Appearantly, all 3 of the hosts, and myself, still feel there's something in the works with the Pacers and Clippers.

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                              My thoughts - I still think an Artest/Maggette deal will go down. The only reason it didn't before is, with Maggette out, the Pacers had much more to lose than gain by doing the deal then. Maggette's season was still in question. I believe right now, the Pacers are using the Lakers, Clippers, and possibly Warriors are in a bidding war against each other. That explains why they have no problem with Artest at the Laker games - the more the Lakers like him, the more they'll offer, the more other teams will have to top. I think at this point, nothing short of Lamar Odom or possibly Andrew Bynum will get Artest to the Lakers. No Kwame Brown, Miami 1st, Devean George etc. If Lakers aren't willing to give either of those guys up, then there's the Warriors with possibly Ike Diogu and/or Pietrus and ofcourse the Clippers with Maggette.
                              Just based on gut feelings, I would say there's a 50% Artest goes to the Clippers, 20% he goes to the Lakers, 10% he goes to the Warriors, and 20% chance he goes somewhere else.
                              Thanks for finding this and sharing it with us.

                              This is very good news indeed. I tend to agree with your analysis, too.

                              Seems to me that when teams get THAT far down the trade path as to have face-to-face interviews with players, the players start shopping for new homes, etc. -- and the only thing holding the trade up is the wait for more conclusive medical results -- then the odds of it finally getting worked out are pretty good.

                              Here's to hoping we can squeeze a draft pick and/or Wilcox out of them, too -- although I'd be OK with a 1-for-1 swap alone, as long as Maggette can definitely contribute this season.
                              "I'll always be a part of Donnie Walsh."
                              -Ron Artest, Denver Post, 12.28.05

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                                The thing that we have to worry about is that if Maggette heals faster than expected the Clippers may decide that they should just keep him and not take a chance on Ron. They were only willing to trade him when they thought that he was damaged goods. If this is the player that Donnie wants, he needs to do this NOW!!!!!!!!!!
                                Slug 'em Sabres!!!!!
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