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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Welcome TJ Leaf!

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  • #91
    Re: Welcome TJ Leaf!

    Originally posted by Kstat View Post
    McBob could jump. Leaf doesn't have that on his bag. Way better shooter though.
    Josh McRoberts pre-draft no step vertical and max vertical = 27.5" and 31.5"
    T.J. Leaf pre-draft no step and max vertical= 29" and 34.5"

    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Josh-McRoberts-227/
    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/T.J.-Leaf-7242/


    I would expect this kind of analysis from Grimp....

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    • #92
      Re: Welcome TJ Leaf!

      Originally posted by ndcoltsnpacers View Post
      Josh McRoberts pre-draft no step vertical and max vertical = 27.5" and 31.5"
      T.J. Leaf pre-draft no step and max vertical= 29" and 34.5"

      http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Josh-McRoberts-227/
      http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/T.J.-Leaf-7242/


      I would expect this kind of analysis from Grimp....
      Josh McRoberts jumping in actual live action where you don't take 4 steps and a gather w/o a ball for the sole reason to be jumping as high as possible = TO THE MOON

      Leaf can get up fine. but combine jumps are worthless. it's the NFL's 40 yard dash in spandex and no pads and helmet and running 40 yards in a straight line sprint which a non special teams guy may do like 5 times a season.

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      • #93
        Re: Welcome TJ Leaf!

        Leaf seems like a super nice kid. so there's that I guess.

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        • #94
          Re: Welcome TJ Leaf!



          this Wheat Hotchkiss character has lampshades made of human skin

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          • #95
            Re: Welcome TJ Leaf!

            Still can't figure out why this kid can't guard. He seems to have solid size and measurables - is it just bulk?

            Guess I'll go peruse the TBird writeup on him again...

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            • #96
              Re: Welcome TJ Leaf!

              Originally posted by funnyguy1105 View Post
              Still can't figure out why this kid can't guard. He seems to have solid size and measurables - is it just bulk?

              Guess I'll go peruse the TBird writeup on him again...
              he's a stick that's never been asked, let alone taught, to play defense. just has no desire to do it. it's true that defense is as much effort as anything in basketball, but if you come up as a kid (literal kid, like 8 years old) never being told to give a **** about guarding someone you just flat out don't see it as part of the game. your entire approach is focused on getting the ball and putting it in the rim. if a kid's lazy or scoring focused or whatever that's one thing, this is a the way he was taught to play growing up deal where the "important" facets of the game get hardwired. that's really, really, hard to correct.

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              • #97
                Re: Welcome TJ Leaf!

                Not as pissed about this pick as most. Kid clearly has a combo of length, skill and athleticism that is pretty good for an 18 pick. Absolutely do question the long-term fit with Myles but in the Pacers current situation (and with Thad still on the roster) he doesn't need to line-update next to Turner for 25 minutes a night anytime soon. Given his defensive versatility OG's medical's must not be great if he still slipped another 5-picks after the Pacers.

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                • #98
                  Re: Welcome TJ Leaf!

                  I keep hating our roster more and more every day...

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                  • #99
                    Re: Welcome TJ Leaf!

                    Welcome, TJ! Don't know very much about him to be honest, but seems to be a good shooter, passer and competitor, defense seems like a serious concern, but we will see.

                    Probably considered the best player available when we picked, because from a roster-lineup perspective I'm thinking mainly duplication with Turner, but maybe I'm wrong . Good luck, TJ, I hope you'll pan out with us!
                    2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                    2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                    2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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                    • Re: Welcome TJ Leaf!

                      Don't love or hate the pick. Seems to be a good kid with a good work ethic, so maybe his defense will become passable. I have read a lot that he has a tough streak and isn't just a Troy Murphy-type finesse player, that would be good if true. A player with Troy's 3 point shooting, McBob's athleticism, and a Hansbrough/Biyombo type garbage pail mentality could be nice at 18.

                      Only real problem is I probably would have used the pick on a higher ceiling guy, but hey, that's typical Pacers drafting most years.

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                      • Re: Welcome TJ Leaf!

                        Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                        I'm not trying to say that stereotypes don't exist. They certainly exist and they are usually far more negative than "white men can't jump". What I'm disputing is that these stereotypes played a role on how the board views this pick.

                        The majority of the board was approaching this draft (correctly, in my opinion) as the first rebuilding draft of our team in years. Therefore, they expected the team to pick someone with a lot of potential. TJ simply isn't that player. He is a pick that suits a contending team much better than it suits a team that is going through a rebuild. He doesn't look to be a great fit next to Myles Turner either since neither is particularly good at defensive rebounding or at guarding big Cs.

                        Those two reasons plus the fact that T-Bird didn't like him a lot and put him at #21 in his big board (and yes, T-Bird's opinion carries a lot of weight in this forum) are enough to make people view the pick apprehensively. The unresolved PG situation isn't helping things either.
                        The Pacers fans have low IQs too. The Facebook posts are pretty much all calling him trash. That he's unathletic and soft and will be the next no defense soft Troy Murphy. All the typical white guy stereotypes and I know for a fact 90 percent of those people know little or nothing about him. He's going to be a bruiser in the post when he gets his NBA body and training I think and he will work hard and play hard every night. No soft Troy Murphy in his game.

                        Plus I'm from Evansville and his mom is from here and his dad is from Indy and they met at the University of Evansville like 5 minutes from my house. With him and Lance I have my two favorite Pacers on the roster now.

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                        • Re: Welcome TJ Leaf!

                          Also it does not matter how good the player actually is or their potential. I will not hesitate to pull up the threads right before we drafted PG and everyone thought it was a lock Bird would draft the white guy Hayward and how bad that would be for us and that he fits all the white stereotypes and will be garbage. Well looking back now I'd much rather have him than PG and his diva *** that screwed us out of assets so he could help the scrub *** Lakers build a super team.

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                          • Re: Welcome TJ Leaf!

                            Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                            Need only matters if we planned on contending. With PG out of the picture we aren't contending so in the draft we should aim for upside.
                            We just drafted a freshman from UCLA who will be a rookie. Like what age do you think he will enter his peak physical prime? 23, 24, 25? Well that is like between 4 and 6 years from now. So no chance we are contending by then? This rebuild is going to be even longer than the JOB era or something? I bet we make a top 5 spot in the East next year. Pacers don't rebuild, we retool. Other than after the brawl when we gutted our franchise, but that was a special case where we got screwed to get rid of a toxic thug culture permeating the team.

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                            • Re: Welcome TJ Leaf!

                              All Pritchard talked about during his Dakich interview was acquiring tough, defensive-minded players that are big for their position. And then he drafted a guy who is none of these things.

                              That's why I'm totally confused. I didn't even think it was a possibility that we'd draft Leaf. I was legitimately stunned when I saw his name.

                              Some people will like him. I think it's very likely that his basic stats will be good, just like Troy Murphy's were. They are different style players though.
                              Last edited by imawhat; 06-23-2017, 08:13 AM.

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                              • Re: Welcome TJ Leaf!

                                The more I watch on Leaf the more I think he'll be a very good offensive player in the NBA. He's fairly athletic on that side of the ball. He's Turner Esque with more range. Bad part is he's nothing on defense while Turner has great potential on that side of the ball.

                                That said- Leaf was a good pick with what was left on the board.

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