Re: An answer for Fortaz......
i know u dont endorse his actions...and i truly hope noone does...those people would seriously concern me...as far as this year is concerned...its not just this year...if this was an isolated incident then we wouldnt even be having this conversation...
ron is not a crazed lunatic....what ron does is correctible-because its behavior and response oriented...and it has nothing at all to do with being stupid...i too believe he is able to come back and perform like an allstar...i believe it is very possible for him to come back and have a monster season that merits mvp consideration...however, in not so naive to believe that this will happen on its own....and it really doesnt have much to do with getting lost in games or not knowing where the line is or anything else....
its very simple in one regard, but incredibly complex in another....ron has deep seated emotional issues....issues that have dictated his behavior all his life...these things are neither easy to work thru nor easily admitted...and as difficult as that process is its even more difficult to begin to reprogram some of his responses that have developed and been inculcated into his brain for so many years....you dont just change ur behavior overnite....no matter what it might be....
in laymans terms, ron is programmed wrong...it doesnt make him stupid...it doesnt make him crazy, per se....it means hes gone thru life in such a way that things have scarred him in a way that the way he reacts to certain situations are not going to be anything but detestable from a behavior standpoint....
its quite obvious that rons behavior bottomed out a couple years ago....and at the time that larry came on board its pretty obvious that things took a turn.....prior to larry being here, that sort of behavior was more coddled and cajoled by isiah than anything else....which was basically ignoring the real problem and just trying to find a way to deal with the results...which only makes it worse....
its quite apparent that once bird got here, that steps were then taken to begin to truly remedy the situation....no matter what u hear and read its quite obvious that ron has been in some deep therapy from the time larry got here....
im not sure how much everyone might know about this sort of thing....but its not all a bed of roses once u start....however it starts the road to recovery and ultimately things being much better....
are there relapses...u betcha.....the playoff incidents that people mention...yup....the brawl...yup....the comments that were made prior to the brawl regarding the time off were a major indicator....
there are major issues at work here....i applaud the pacers organization....many of u would just have them dump ron a long time ago....which definitely is an option....but they saw the potential that he has...they also began to identify the problems....and realized the road to reaping rewards might not be easy and be problematic...but would be well worth it once they got there....
if someone is truly family....u stick with them thru the tough times...if the family member has real problems...then u get him real help....i truly believe ron never got any real help till bird got here...everyone thru his highschool, college and early pro days just tried to get the most out of his nearly superhuman physical skills realizing if they could somehow muddle thru the negatives he would be gone sooner or later and they could move on while having reaped the benefits his basketball ability provided to them personally and organizationally....however this only cultivated the problem more....and sooner or later it cant be shoved under the carpet...it has to come to a head....
and it did....and now, believe it or not, hes definitely on the road to recovery....yes...many detractors will say they will believe it when they see it....but then again, the way the majority of society typically loooks at people with problems similar to this is one of the main reasons that these people have these problems to begin with....
the attitude to just ship them off instead of getting the issue fixed because the fix is involved and difficult....they take the easy way out...its popular...
every once in a while a talent comes along...whether in basketball or anything else that is simply amazing....definitely far above the norm....ron is that talent, most of us would agree...which is interesting in itself....hes almost a physical freak....and hes widely regarded as a great human being....these things should tell us something...
if hes got a willingness and desire like few others to succeed....if his commitment level is unsurpassed....and the guy is genuinely a nice guy...and hes a freakishly talented basketball player....then whats missing?????
good management...no great management, when they recognize talent that has its drawbacks....seeks out those drawbacks....and works feverishly to better them, all the while knowing what awaits them in the end....
in a situation like rons, it requires constant attention and confirmation and reassurance....and the road hasnt been easy and it will almost certainly have more hiccups....what actually would have been a major step forward when ron walked away from ben wallace turned into a relapse when the illfated cup hit its target...the penalty for that relapse was unbelievably severe...but at the same time... it actually sped up his recovery in some ways...
its easy to just toss aside a problem u dont really understand...let alone how to fix it...and not many would ever blame the pacers for doing so...fortunately they not only dont take this position, but realize ron is a human being and that the pacers organization as a whole, their fans, the nba, and ron will be much , much better off by doing things the hard way and working thru rons serious issues together....yes..they may have selfish motives...but nonetheless...everyone benefits in the end.....
the road isnt easy....the rare things in life that are ultimately so satisfying rarely are....but for those that understand these things are able to stay focused on them...the rewards will be remarkable....
Originally posted by Suaveness
i know u dont endorse his actions...and i truly hope noone does...those people would seriously concern me...as far as this year is concerned...its not just this year...if this was an isolated incident then we wouldnt even be having this conversation...
ron is not a crazed lunatic....what ron does is correctible-because its behavior and response oriented...and it has nothing at all to do with being stupid...i too believe he is able to come back and perform like an allstar...i believe it is very possible for him to come back and have a monster season that merits mvp consideration...however, in not so naive to believe that this will happen on its own....and it really doesnt have much to do with getting lost in games or not knowing where the line is or anything else....
its very simple in one regard, but incredibly complex in another....ron has deep seated emotional issues....issues that have dictated his behavior all his life...these things are neither easy to work thru nor easily admitted...and as difficult as that process is its even more difficult to begin to reprogram some of his responses that have developed and been inculcated into his brain for so many years....you dont just change ur behavior overnite....no matter what it might be....
in laymans terms, ron is programmed wrong...it doesnt make him stupid...it doesnt make him crazy, per se....it means hes gone thru life in such a way that things have scarred him in a way that the way he reacts to certain situations are not going to be anything but detestable from a behavior standpoint....
its quite obvious that rons behavior bottomed out a couple years ago....and at the time that larry came on board its pretty obvious that things took a turn.....prior to larry being here, that sort of behavior was more coddled and cajoled by isiah than anything else....which was basically ignoring the real problem and just trying to find a way to deal with the results...which only makes it worse....
its quite apparent that once bird got here, that steps were then taken to begin to truly remedy the situation....no matter what u hear and read its quite obvious that ron has been in some deep therapy from the time larry got here....
im not sure how much everyone might know about this sort of thing....but its not all a bed of roses once u start....however it starts the road to recovery and ultimately things being much better....
are there relapses...u betcha.....the playoff incidents that people mention...yup....the brawl...yup....the comments that were made prior to the brawl regarding the time off were a major indicator....
there are major issues at work here....i applaud the pacers organization....many of u would just have them dump ron a long time ago....which definitely is an option....but they saw the potential that he has...they also began to identify the problems....and realized the road to reaping rewards might not be easy and be problematic...but would be well worth it once they got there....
if someone is truly family....u stick with them thru the tough times...if the family member has real problems...then u get him real help....i truly believe ron never got any real help till bird got here...everyone thru his highschool, college and early pro days just tried to get the most out of his nearly superhuman physical skills realizing if they could somehow muddle thru the negatives he would be gone sooner or later and they could move on while having reaped the benefits his basketball ability provided to them personally and organizationally....however this only cultivated the problem more....and sooner or later it cant be shoved under the carpet...it has to come to a head....
and it did....and now, believe it or not, hes definitely on the road to recovery....yes...many detractors will say they will believe it when they see it....but then again, the way the majority of society typically loooks at people with problems similar to this is one of the main reasons that these people have these problems to begin with....
the attitude to just ship them off instead of getting the issue fixed because the fix is involved and difficult....they take the easy way out...its popular...
every once in a while a talent comes along...whether in basketball or anything else that is simply amazing....definitely far above the norm....ron is that talent, most of us would agree...which is interesting in itself....hes almost a physical freak....and hes widely regarded as a great human being....these things should tell us something...
if hes got a willingness and desire like few others to succeed....if his commitment level is unsurpassed....and the guy is genuinely a nice guy...and hes a freakishly talented basketball player....then whats missing?????
good management...no great management, when they recognize talent that has its drawbacks....seeks out those drawbacks....and works feverishly to better them, all the while knowing what awaits them in the end....
in a situation like rons, it requires constant attention and confirmation and reassurance....and the road hasnt been easy and it will almost certainly have more hiccups....what actually would have been a major step forward when ron walked away from ben wallace turned into a relapse when the illfated cup hit its target...the penalty for that relapse was unbelievably severe...but at the same time... it actually sped up his recovery in some ways...
its easy to just toss aside a problem u dont really understand...let alone how to fix it...and not many would ever blame the pacers for doing so...fortunately they not only dont take this position, but realize ron is a human being and that the pacers organization as a whole, their fans, the nba, and ron will be much , much better off by doing things the hard way and working thru rons serious issues together....yes..they may have selfish motives...but nonetheless...everyone benefits in the end.....
the road isnt easy....the rare things in life that are ultimately so satisfying rarely are....but for those that understand these things are able to stay focused on them...the rewards will be remarkable....
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