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Insider: The burgeoning bro-mance between Lance Stephenson and Kevin Seraphin

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    Insider: The burgeoning bro-mance between Lance Stephenson and Kevin Seraphin

    http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...hin/100341792/

    INDIANAPOLIS — They sit together on the team bus, in the locker room and on the bench. Lance Stephenson and Kevin Seraphin met less than two weeks ago when Stephenson joined the Indiana Pacers for their final six games of the regular season, but they've since talked and talked and talked.
    They joke around plenty, spend time on social media promoting each other and have quickly developed a friendship that has translated to the court.*The Pacers, winners of four consecutive games entering Wednesday’s regular-season finale, have played better during that stretch because their bench — featuring Stephenson and Seraphin — has performed better.
    In five games with the Pacers, Stephenson has averaged 7.8 points, 3.8 assists and 2.8 rebounds. Seraphin is averaging 8.6 points and 3.6 rebounds with Stephenson as his teammates, surpassing his season averages of 4.7 points and 2.9 rebounds.

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    “I feel like I get more confidence with him and it’s a huge boost,” Seraphin of playing alongside Stephenson. “He’s a great playmaker and he’s looking for me almost every time. I just have to finish the plays and be me.”
    Coincidentally, Seraphin wears*jersey No. 1, the same number Stephenson wore when he last played for the Pacers in 2014.
    The Lance Effect – as fans and the Pacers have called the results of Stephenson’s energy inspiring his teammates – appears to be growing with each victory. Seraphin scored a season-high 17 points in Monday’s win over the Philadelphia 76ers. Stephenson finished with six points, five assists and two rebounds.

    “I just see a lot of potential in him,” Stephenson said of Seraphin. “I see a guy that I know can be a force in the paint. If he can set the screen, I can get him a pocket pass or I can go for the layup. I don’t think nobody can stop that when you have two guys that can automatically score in the pick-and-roll. I just try to get him encouraged and get him hyped for it and he’s responding. He said he hasn’t been playing like this the whole season. I’m like, ‘Wow?!’ This is easy. We’re just giving each other confidence. That’s what it’s all about as teammates.”

    Hours before Monday’s game, Stephenson and Seraphin allowed people to see the playful nature of their friendship. The two players watched Andrei Mikhailau, the team’s massage therapist, split an apple in half with his bare hands after the Pacers’ shootaround. Seraphin immediately grabbed his smartphone and began shooting video of Stephenson, who was eager to attempt Mikhailau’s trick.

    “You want to see my man crack an apple?” Seraphin said in the video.
    A few seconds later, the two, in almost perfect unison, screamed their excitement after Stephenson accomplished the feat. At the end of the video, Seraphin shouts, “Born Ready,” Stephenson’s nickname since he entered the NBA in 2010.
    “I didn’t even know I could do it,” Stephenson said smiling. “That was my first try.”

    Stephenson re-joined a Pacers team that had struggled to find consistency and tenacity throughout the season. Stephenson, a key starter in the Pacers’ run to back-to-back Eastern Conference finals appearances in 2013 and ’14, has injected emotion, intensity and passion into his teammates.
    In order to gain their trust, Stephenson has spent much of his time off the court with his teammates. He and Seraphin spent an off-day last week at Paul George’s house. Before meeting Stephenson, all Seraphin knew about his new teammate was his reputation of being an intense player who had plenty of antics.

    “I know a lot of people think, ‘Oh, he’s crazy,’” Seraphin said of Stephenson. “I like it. I think we understand each other perfectly. We’re both characters. Since he’s been here, we’ve been hanging out together. It’s really cool and on the court you can see it.”

    When they are on the court together, Stephenson is usually the one barking at Seraphin. Stephenson yells at Seraphin to motivate his teammate. Seraphin said one way he’s trying to match Stephenson’s passion is to play better on defense by getting stops or defensive rebounds.

    “(Seraphin’s) doing some good things and that’s why we’re playing him,” coach Nate McMillan said. “It’s not just the scoring, it’s defensively being able to get up and defend and play our rules in the pick-and-roll defense and rebound. He’s given us solid minutes the last few games and I’ve just stayed with that rotation.”


    After every win during the streak, Stephenson has given credit to his teammates, not just Seraphin, for his play being an instrumental part of the Pacers’ success.
    “I just wanted to help the team and also help myself get back to the way I was playing in being comfortable and having fun with the game,” Stephenson said. “When you’re winning, the game becomes fun.”
    The fun continued after Monday’s game. Inside the locker room, Seraphin noticed Stephenson was wearing a gray vintage Pacers*sweatshirt.

    “Where did you get this?” Seraphin asked. “Back in the day?”
    “No, gift shop,” Stephenson answered. “You don’t go in the gift shop? I’m going to take you one day and get you some classic Pacers gear.”
    The rest of the Pacers laughed at the exchange. Less than two weeks into Stephenson and Seraphin’s friendship, none of their teammates were surprised by the moment.
    “You watch their snaps (on Snapchat) or their stories on Instagram, you’ll see that those two got real close,” George said. “They definitely got a little chemistry on the court. Lance is a person that doesn’t mind confrontation. He doesn’t mind talking. He’s helped Kevin a lot.”

    George then paused and smiled before continuing his thought.
    “They’ve kind of got the same personality,” he said. “They’re sitting together now.”
    Sittin on top of the world!
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    Re: Insider: The burgeoning bro-mance between Lance Stephenson and Kevin Seraphin

    Give Lance Stephenson all the credit. Since he joined the team five games ago, the Pacers lead the East in winning percentage (4-1, .800), field goal percentage (.506), net rebounds per game (+5.6) and points per game (117.8), second in net points per game (+10.4) and third in 3-point field goal percentage (.403). Paul George leads the NBA in scoring over the past five games (33.0 points per game) while Thaddeus Young looks healthy, averaging 16.0 points and 8.6 rebounds. Stephenson is averaging 7.8 points and shooting 71.4 percent on 3s.
    ???
    Sittin on top of the world!

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    • #3
      Re: Insider: The burgeoning bro-mance between Lance Stephenson and Kevin Seraphin

      This would be the classic example of "what doesn't show on the stat sheet"
      Sittin on top of the world!

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      • #4
        Re: Insider: The burgeoning bro-mance between Lance Stephenson and Kevin Seraphin

        We have the second longest winning streak in the NBA right now. Great way to end the season.
        "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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        • #5
          Re: Insider: The burgeoning bro-mance between Lance Stephenson and Kevin Seraphin

          It's a real good sign there is great chemistry for the backups. Teams are going to have a very difficult time as those two learn how to get it going.

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          • #6
            Re: Insider: The burgeoning bro-mance between Lance Stephenson and Kevin Seraphin

            This is just a great circumstance that's unfolding before us. I'm super pleased. Lance seemingly gets it.

            He's earning my heart all over again. Hah. Can't wait until the playoffs.

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            • #7
              Re: Insider: The burgeoning bro-mance between Lance Stephenson and Kevin Seraphin

              Or, is this all a part of Lance's elaborate plot to get the #1 jersey back? ;-)

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              • #8
                Re: Insider: The burgeoning bro-mance between Lance Stephenson and Kevin Seraphin

                Man I love some old school post moves, but he can shoot too. Is that you Antonio Davis? My crush on Seraphin grows by the game. Let's just hope we can see him build this with Stephenson for AT LEAST 9 more games. If that somehow happens and we do the impossible and dethrone Lebron, we could be Finals bound. And since we're thinking the unthinkable, let's just win it all!

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                • #9
                  Re: Insider: The burgeoning bro-mance between Lance Stephenson and Kevin Seraphin

                  Bird's best FA signings the past couple years have been the cheapest ones and his own "project players".

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                  • #10
                    Re: Insider: The burgeoning bro-mance between Lance Stephenson and Kevin Seraphin

                    But he's the problem in the locker room. Just ask Brunner.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Insider: The burgeoning bro-mance between Lance Stephenson and Kevin Seraphin

                      I wonder if Seraphin can turn into our starting center.

                      Teague
                      Stephenson
                      George
                      Turner
                      Seraphin
                      I'm not perfect and neither are you.

                      Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Elohim,
                      Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Insider: The burgeoning bro-mance between Lance Stephenson and Kevin Seraphin

                        Originally posted by sportfireman View Post
                        I wonder if Seraphin can turn into our starting center.
                        http://wizofawes.com/2016/08/27/wash...len-obscurity/

                        Check that out for a take on Seraphin from a Wizards Blog.

                        The guy has the body. He can score down low. He's not broken down like Al is. And while he isn't a 20 rebound game threat, he is solid. His per 36 block numbers are decent for his career as well.

                        Maybe a 20-25mpg guy, and a decent fit with Myles, and a good fit with Stephenson as a big that can catch and finish. Being that he's under contract he'll have a chance for a bigger role next year.
                        Last edited by Ozwalt72; 04-12-2017, 09:21 AM. Reason: I like the name Seraphin so I've followed him more than I would the average non-Pacer lol
                        "man, PG has been really good."

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                        • #13
                          Re: Insider: The burgeoning bro-mance between Lance Stephenson and Kevin Seraphin

                          The Pacers should try it against some teams. I'd swap Thad and Seraphin depending on match ups.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Insider: The burgeoning bro-mance between Lance Stephenson and Kevin Seraphin

                            I think Thad's too good when healthy. There aren't many starting matchups Seraphin has an advantage in over Thad in today's NBA. Besides Lance and a good PnR big man could run big minutes off the second team next year.
                            "man, PG has been really good."

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                            • #15
                              Re: Insider: The burgeoning bro-mance between Lance Stephenson and Kevin Seraphin

                              If Seraphin turns into a reliable big man off the bench, we'd have to be really happy. Not sure he's starting material, but if he can spare us the mind-numbing minutes of AlJeff and Lavoy, what's not to like about that ??

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