Who has surprised you? A CJ Miles apology thread

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  • 3rdStrike
    Member
    • Jul 2006
    • 1903

    #1

    Who has surprised you? A CJ Miles apology thread

    With all the cynicism and I told you so's surrounding a team that for all its inconsistencies is still just a few of games out of the 3 seed, I thought it would be nice to acknowledge some players who have been a pleasant surprise. Here's my list:

    1. CJ Miles. I was probably beating the "this guy sucks" drum the loudest ever since he was signed here, but I have to say I've done a total 180. Some of it is me giving him a little bit more credit but a lot of it is him stepping it up. He's not taking the YOLO shots he took the past 2 seasons, he's taking quality shots. He's taking it in when it's there. He's playing defense. He's sometimes playing out of position and still doing a solid job on that side of the ball. He's always had a good attitude, but this season he's emoting a lot more (in a good way). He's got the fire/energy/passion to win that we need to see infect the rest of the roster. Good on you, CJ. You've made me a fool, a fan and a believer!

    2. Myles Turner. I was a big fan and one of the people who laughed at 80% of PD saying he was an awful pick and Bird didn't know what he was doing, etc, so him playing well isn't a surprise. However, he's made even more improvement on the offensive side than I anticipated. He's the best "pure shooter" on the team and he would be on many teams. I actually want him to at least double his 3pt attempts per game (he's currently at 1.6). I'd like him to be a better rebounder but he's actually quite solid; 7.3 in 29mpg is hardly "bad." And of course his shot blocking is just a thing of beauty.

    3. Jeff Teague. I know for some reason he doesn't quite get the credit he deserves, but he's quickly gaining on Myles Turner for the highest PER on the team (PG is 3rd) and this is in a brand new environment, new coach/system, etc. He's not a physical defender but he's still a good one, mostly because he's got very active hands. He's the best all around point guard we've had (IMO), and while his outside shooting has been spotty I think it's worth remembering that he essentially spent his entire summer rehabbing and that he was getting into game shape in the first couple weeks of the season. He's getting to the line (and converting) at a high rate. I'd like to see him be more of a floor general and I think he should stay in sometimes when coach puts the bench in (since he's the only point guard we have besides Joe), but overall he's been a pleasant surprise and I hope we lock him up long term.

    4. Thad Young. I really didn't know what to expect and I'm not saying he's great, but I certainly didn't think he'd be a more than capable stretch 4. Outside shooting was the last thing I thought he'd bring to the table, but he's shooting 46%. I do think we need to ask him to bang in the paint more and he needs to rebound a bit better, but for a guy who has almost always been on truly awful teams he's been good. He's the guy who gets the leftovers and he does so at a fairly efficient rate. His FT shooting is inexcusable though.

    So, let's hear your picks for pleasantly surprising Pacers.
  • jrwannabe
    Member
    • Jul 2012
    • 5175

    #2
    Re: Who has surprised you? A CJ Miles apology thread

    For me it's Stuckey. When he is out, it hurts the team soooooooooooooooo much. Wish this guy could stay on the court

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    • PacersHomer
      • Jul 2009
      • 9464

      #3
      Re: Who has surprised you? A CJ Miles apology thread

      I feel like a major problem with this team is that I'm not surprised by anyone, besides maybe Rodney. At best it's my expectations for everyone and a lot are disappointments. I'm happy with the new starters and Myles. Disappointed with all of the bench besides Rodney and CJ.

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      • 3rdStrike
        Member
        • Jul 2006
        • 1903

        #4
        Re: Who has surprised you? A CJ Miles apology thread

        Originally posted by jrwannabe
        For me it's Stuckey. When he is out, it hurts the team soooooooooooooooo much. Wish this guy could stay on the court
        Good call, when he actually plays Stuck seems more like the guy we saw 2 yrs ago as opposed to last year's version. But like you said, he needs to be healthy.

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        • McKeyFan
          Intuition over Integers
          • Jan 2004
          • 15183

          #5
          Re: Who has surprised you? A CJ Miles apology thread

          I am also pleased with Thad Young. I also had hoped Teague would bring to the offense a penetrating, quick presence that makes things happen offensively. I think he does. Our offense seems to rise and fall on PG's performance.

          Defense is another story. Vogel, a physical big, small two guards. We need help.
          "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." โ€”Kevin Pritchard press conference

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          • BlueNGold
            Banned
            • Aug 2005
            • 32249

            #6
            Re: Who has surprised you? A CJ Miles apology thread

            CJ is shooting well and deserves start at SG. With that said, I am not a believer. But he has earned the right to succeed or fail. Gotta give him that.

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            • tora tora
              Member
              • Jan 2004
              • 3754

              #7
              Re: Who has surprised you? A CJ Miles apology thread

              Cj is one of my favorite players on the roster but he can't start because the 2nd unit would suck.

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              • Grimp
                Member
                • May 2013
                • 12423

                #8
                Re: Who has surprised you? A CJ Miles apology thread

                Originally posted by BlueNGold
                CJ is shooting well and deserves start at SG. With that said, I am not a believer. But he has earned the right to succeed or fail. Gotta give him that.
                He 'failed' already. He started, got injured. Was out for like 2 weeks. Nice guy, great shooter, but has shaky health. Best off the bench.

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                • BlueCollarColts
                  Member
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 9569

                  #9
                  Re: Who has surprised you? A CJ Miles apology thread

                  You can't start CJ until at least one of Stuckey/Ellis is back, our bench is already bad with him in there.

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                  • BlueCollarColts
                    Member
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 9569

                    #10
                    Re: Who has surprised you? A CJ Miles apology thread

                    Originally posted by Grimp
                    He 'failed' already. He started, got injured. Was out for like 2 weeks. Nice guy, great shooter, but has shaky health. Best off the bench.
                    Our alternative is GRIII, Miles is absolutely the better option.

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                    • Grimp
                      Member
                      • May 2013
                      • 12423

                      #11
                      Re: Who has surprised you? A CJ Miles apology thread

                      Originally posted by BlueCollarColts
                      Our alternative is GRIII, Miles is absolutely the better option.
                      GR3 is the better option because he's younger, faster and more athletic. His shot will come around like it did before. But GR3 can play long stretches without injury. Very important.

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                      • Deadshot
                        Pacers fan in FL
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 2325

                        #12
                        Re: Who has surprised you? A CJ Miles apology thread

                        Originally posted by Grimp
                        GR3 is the better option because he's younger, faster and more athletic. His shot will come around like it did before. But GR3 can play long stretches without injury. Very important.
                        I like the fact that he moves the ball and attacks the rim as well. I was hesitant to jump on the GRIII hype train but I hope he stays in the rotation when everything settles.
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                        • PacerDude
                          It's just my opinion.
                          • May 2009
                          • 10049

                          #13
                          Re: Who has surprised you? A CJ Miles apology thread

                          ^^ We don't need a 30% shooter at shooting guard. Kind of defeats the purpose.

                          Solution ?? Anyone else. I WAS all for him getting minutes with the starters to see what he can do. But it seems like it's time to move on from that.
                          Last edited by PacerDude; 12-24-2016, 10:39 AM.

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                          • Deadshot
                            Pacers fan in FL
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 2325

                            #14
                            Re: Who has surprised you? A CJ Miles apology thread

                            Originally posted by PacerDude
                            ^^ We don't need a 30% shooter at shooting guard. Kind of defeats the purpose.

                            Solution ?? Anyone else. I WAS all for him getting minutes with the starters to see what he can do. But it seems like it's time to move on from that.
                            He's shooting 40%. In theory, the starting unit has scoring/shooting at the 1, 3, 4, and 5. If our identity ever revolves around picking up the pace and running the floor, I think he is the best fit for now. I'm not super excited about it but there's no easy fix. I think he's also lengthier than Monta and Stuckey.
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                            • sav
                              Member
                              • Jun 2012
                              • 5469

                              #15
                              Re: Who has surprised you? A CJ Miles apology thread

                              My biggest surprise is Turner's 3 point shooting. I thought he would eventually become a pretty good 3 point shooter, but I didn't think he would be thus good and definitely not this quickly.

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