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    GR3 has earned spot in Pacers lineup

    Glenn Robinson III has been a breath of fresh air for the gasping Pacers.

    You can see it in his face, hear it in his voice. Nothing frustrates Nate McMillan more than his team’s propensity for taking backward steps. Win a couple of games, start to look like a cohesive team, and then go to Portland and play like strangers who just stumbled off an 18-hour international flight.

    Well, McMillan is going to have a decision soon, and it really boils down to this: does he want to step backward, or forward, with his team?

    Paul George could be back from his troublesome ankle sprain as soon as the Pacers’ next game Sunday in Los Angeles against the Clippers. The automatic thing for McMillan to do, the easy and obvious thing, would be to return to his original lineup with Monta Ellis at shooting guard, George at small forward and Glenn Robinson III on the bench.

    The difficult thing, the risky thing, but absolutely the right thing, would be to leave Robinson in the lineup at shooting guard and move Ellis to the bench.

    Not that there aren’t valid reasons for sticking with the original five. That was the chosen lineup entering the season, a group that went 6-5 in 11 starts together before George’s ankle intervened. It was the lineup that beat the Cavs (without LeBron James and J.R. Smith). It was also the lineup that lost to the Nets and Bucks. Eleven games is not much of a body of work to judge a lineup, and for that reason it seems overwhelmingly likely McMillan will go back to it once George is healthy enough to return.

    It would be perfectly reasonable.

    It would also be wrong.


    Because there are many, many more reasons to keep Robinson in the lineup, reasons that speak to the present and the future of the team, reasons that speak to how this team should ultimately take shape.

    1. HE’S EARNED IT

    Nothing sends a stronger message to a flailing team than manifest accountability, and it works both positively and negatively. It isn’t just a matter of benching players who aren’t producing, or limiting their minutes. It’s also a matter of rewarding those who have been performing. In five starts, Robinson has averaged 15.2 points and 6.4 rebounds while shooting .491 from the field and .524 from the 3-point line. That latter stat is huge, because it reflects how hard Robinson has worked to improve what was the biggest weakness in his offensive skill set.

    He also, finally, has shed the passivity that confounded past coaches and scouts and is playing with heretofore unseen confidence and aggression.

    “He’s just been solid,” McMillan said. “We’re not calling plays for him. He’s allowing the game to come to him, he’s playing in the flow of the game, he’s getting himself open and what I really like is he’s defending hard, working hard on the defensive end of the floor and he’s trying to help on the boards. … We need that from our guys. He’s playing big minutes and he’s bringing energy the entire time he’s in the game.”

    He has shown no signs of leveling off. In fact, his production has steadily risen. In the last three games, his averages are 17.3 points, 5.3 rebounds, .655 shooting overall and .636 from the arc.
    While the Portland game was a clunker, Robinson played major roles in the two most impressive wins over the year, over the Thunder and Clippers -- both games George missed. It’s a relatively small sample size, to

    “I’m not surprising myself,” Robinson said. “I think I’m surprising a lot of people who haven’t gotten the opportunity to see me play that much. I have teammates who believe in me, who push me everyday in practice and the whole summer and I’m trying to execute off it.”

    Conversely, Ellis has done little to suggest a firm grasp of his position. In the six games George has missed, games when the Pacers could’ve really benefited from an uptick in production from Ellis, he averaged 8.2 points and shot 35 percent.

    2. THE LINEUP WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE

    It doesn’t take a basketball savant to identify the biggest problems with the original lineup: the backcourt is small, often overmatched defensively, putting even more pressure on a thin frontcourt, and there is a dearth of 3-point shooting to create the necessary spacing for the offense to achieve maximum efficiency.

    This is one move that could solve a lot of those problems. At 6-6, Robinson has prototypical size for the shooting guard position. He is also much more athletic and a more willing defender. While he has not been a long-range threat in prior seasons, he looks very much like one this year. He also has been a big help on the boards, an area of major concern.

    Add it all up, and this one move has the potential to help the defense, the rebounding and the 3-point shooting.

    3. THE NUCLEUS WOULD GROW STRONGER AND YOUNGER

    Face it, as much as Larry Bird (and possibly McMillan) may believe otherwise, Ellis doesn’t fit in this team’s future. He’s an old 31, in his 12th season, and clearly in decline. Robinson is 22 and would give the team another important element to its young nucleus, joining Myles Turner (20), Paul George (26) and Jeff Teague (28). Thaddeus Young’s 28, for that matter, even though it seems like he’s been around forever.

    No one is suggesting the Pacers throw in the towel on this season and go young just for the sake of it. Quite the contrary, Robinson has the ability to not only make the Pacers younger, but better -- right away. It’s rare to have that kind of opportunity for growth from within, and it should be seized, not abandoned.

    4. ELLIS COULD BE REBORN AS AN ELITE SIXTH MAN

    Any time you make a significant change, you risk disenfranchising the player getting the demotion. In Ellis’ case, you also risk devaluing a potential trade asset. Neither of those factors should outweigh doing what is best for the team and franchise -- and in fact this could very well be the best thing for Ellis.

    When he came off the bench in Philly on Nov. 11, it was the first time that happened since the 2007-08 season. Though the Sixers lost that night he actually played well, scoring 19 points with six rebounds, five assists and four steals. Ellis is obviously used to not only starting, but playing a primary role in the offense. Here’s the conundrum: if he remains a starter, he will have nothing more than a secondary, or even tertiary, role.

    With the second unit, Ellis could begin a new chapter of his career as a sixth man. It’s a natural evolution that can prove rejuvenating for veteran combo guards -- just ask Jason Terry, Jamal Crawford and Manu Ginobili, among others. He would clearly be the first option off the bench, a far more natural role than he’s in now. This could add years to his career, because there is a much bigger market for proven scorers off the bench than a starter who’s aging and undersized.

    The potential exists, then, this move could benefit both the starting lineup and the bench. There would have to be some sorting out to do with the second unit backcourt minutes -- Aaron Brooks would likely be the odd man out -- but omelettes, eggs, you get the picture.

    5. SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE

    The season is near its quarter-point, and it’s painfully obvious there is something missing from this team, something not quite right. McMillan shouldn’t have to coach effort, shouldn’t have to tell players on the bench to show support for those on the floor, yet those things are constantly on the agenda. This suggests something fundamentally wrong with the makeup of the team.

    No one is singling out Ellis as the source of the team’s problems, but the simple reality exists that the starting lineup has two significant problems: it lacks prototypical size and skills at shooting guard and power forward.

    There is no obvious solution at power forward.

    There is at shooting guard.


    This team is gasping for a breath of fresh air. McMillan needs to open the door to let a little change blow through the roster. It just might do the Pacers a world of good.
    http://www.1070thefan.com/blogs/brun...-pacers-lineup
    Sittin on top of the world!

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    Re: Bruno seems to agree with most of us

    OK, but one good argument against it is Stucky and Monta are probably a worse combination than Teague and Monta. Of course the second unit is not as important as the starters.

    I also have not thought Monta and Teague are too small as a backcourt combo. Size of a player is highly overrated. There are good reasons why those two don't fit, but IMO size is not one of those reasons

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      Re: Bruno seems to agree with most of us

      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
      OK, but one good argument against it is Stucky and Monta are probably a worse combination than Teague and Monta. Of course the second unit is not as important as the starters.

      I also have not thought Monta and Teague are too small as a backcourt combo. Size of a player is highly overrated. There are good reasons why those two don't fit, but IMO size is not one of those reasons

      There size is very important when defending on perimeter and interior and with rebounding and their ability to get shots off. Other than those areas it is not a problem.
      Monta has lost some of his athleticism which helped him compensate for his size. He also is shooting a much lesser percentage from three. That is not his strong suit anyway.
      It is time to make the move of putting Glenn in the starting SG spot. Everyone sees it and know it is the right thing to do. Monta will be more effective off the bench as they can run plays specifically for him.
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      • #4
        Re: Bruno seems to agree with most of us

        Great article. Brings up some very solid points.

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          Re: Bruno seems to agree with most of us

          The only thing I see missing from this article is CJ Miles. I don't see the reason to limit ourselves to Monta and Rodney off the bench. We have CJ, hopefully getting better soon and could rotate from the backup 3 to the backup 2 if we don't start him. Platooning our subs from this point on needs to be looked at hard. I'm still a fan of the 3 man rotation at Guards, Forwards and Bigs.

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            Re: Bruno seems to agree with most of us

            Say this works. We'd be set, then, everywhere except at PF. Most here mention Stuck as the trade piece for a backup 4. But let's say we had the opportunity (by including one or two future #1s) to land a PF to start ahead of Thad. Would Thad fit well on the resulting 2nd unit (with Monta)? What one skill would we covet in a starting 4? If Christmas were impressing, would he be it? If so, should Larry (and Kevin) be cut some slack?


            "He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to that kind of stuff."

            - Rick Carlisle on how Kevin Pritchard responds to needed roster changes.

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              Re: Bruno seems to agree with most of us

              I've been pretty vocal about Monta's fit in the starting lineup, however, I think better play should be awarded and bad play shouldn't be ignored. Holding players accountable was supposed to be a new thing.

              Monta has been terrible last few games, while GRIII has been a decent play. I say give him the start.
              Last edited by freddielewis14; 12-02-2016, 10:04 AM.

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                Re: Bruno seems to agree with most of us

                Originally posted by freddielewis14 View Post
                I've been pretty vocal about Monta's fit in the starting lineup, however, I think better play should be awarded and bad play shouldn't be ignored. Holding players accountable was supposed to be a new thing.

                Monta has been terrible last few games, while GRIII has been a decent play. I say give him the start.

                2 games before last game? yes, GR3 was terrible Vs Portland, he was so bad he got benched with Monta and Young(came back once game was over), by the way I wonder if his ankles are heal after Hakless broke them...



                I rather trade for Fournier, I will bench Monta myself
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                  Re: Bruno seems to agree with most of us

                  Originally posted by DrFife View Post
                  Say this works. We'd be set, then, everywhere except at PF. Most here mention Stuck as the trade piece for a backup 4. But let's say we had the opportunity (by including one or two future #1s) to land a PF to start ahead of Thad. Would Thad fit well on the resulting 2nd unit (with Monta)? What one skill would we covet in a starting 4? If Christmas were impressing, would he be it? If so, should Larry (and Kevin) be cut some slack?
                  Get a pf in the draft. Later in first round I would not be afraid to take Swanigan, He can shoot the three but also is a rebounding beast and is really dedicated to getting better.
                  Very strong. Not a great leaper but good enough. Also get a veteran like Taj Gibson. Not you have a much more complete team.
                  {o,o}
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                    Re: Bruno seems to agree with most of us

                    I'd take that "terrible" 15pts on 60% overall shooting, 50% from 3, and 4 rebs out of the SG position every day of the week.
                    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                      Re: Bruno seems to agree with most of us

                      I'm still not sold on GRIII, but he's been playing really well since 11/18. Over the last 7 games, he's averaging 12pts and 5.4rebs on 49.2% shooting and 47.8% from 3. And that's with a 0pts 0-2(both 3pta) shooting night against ATL. If he can get you 8-12pts per night, and shoot 40ish% from 3, 4-6rebs and get somehow manage to up his assists to 2-3 he'd fit the starting 2 role like a glove.

                      Will he? I don't know, but he's showing that he has the ability to do so.
                      Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                        Re: Bruno seems to agree with most of us

                        Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                        I'd take that "terrible" 15pts on 60% overall shooting, 50% from 3, and 4 rebs out of the SG position every day of the week.
                        LOL forgot to mention terrible defense, guy got abused by Hakless



                        But sure lets start him so the crying around here goes away, DO IT NATE !!!
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                        • #13
                          Re: Bruno seems to agree with most of us

                          Originally posted by freddielewis14 View Post
                          I've been pretty vocal about Monta's fit in the starting lineup, however, I think better play should be awarded and bad play shouldn't be ignored. Holding players accountable was supposed to be a new thing.

                          Monta has been terrible last few games, while GRIII has been a decent play. I say give him the start.
                          Accountability was a PR slogan that the team used to make sure there was something to point to when not bringing back the previous coach.

                          Just like when all of a sudden Danny Granger went from being the heart and soul of our team who was doing everything in his power to return to form and pass the mantle on to the next generation to the day after he was traded being a malcontent who did not put any effort into rehabbing and would not accept a bench role. They tried to play that off for about a month and when nobody was buying it they reversed course. This year we are getting a Danny Granger bobblehead.

                          The same player in question right now is the same exact player that this "accountability" was all about last year. I tried to tell you then it was not the coach and I'm telling you now it is not this coach either (yes I'm sticking up for Nate here).

                          Accountability was never a real issue, it was a PR slogan.

                          If you will notice Frank has benched Vucevic in Orlando and Nikola is not happy about it and Frank has done it anyway. I'll also remind people that he threw James Posey off of our team, but no he never holds player accountable.

                          http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/11/28/...nch-for-magic/


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                            Re: Bruno seems to agree with most of us

                            Yeah, GRIII defense on Mo Harkless did give me flashbacks to watching Monta do his best turnstyle impersonation. Not sure how the Pacers would ever cope with a negative defender at the 2......
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                              Re: Bruno seems to agree with most of us

                              As to GR3 I have a theory.

                              He is this teams version of Austin Croshere. In other words there are players who need solid consistent minutes to produce and when they get it they can put up decent numbers and when they don't they struggle. I believe little big dog fits that category. There are players who are microwaves who can come in and drop big production in little time and Glenn seems like Austin in that he needs the steady flow and rhythm of the game to go.

                              Which btw is a serious upgrade for him because at the gathering most of us, myself included, said basically he was a waste of a roster spot and we were done with him. Only Hoop stood strong behind him as a supporter.


                              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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