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4/21/2016 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Raptors

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  • 4/21/2016 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Raptors


    SLOW, STEADY MARCH
    TOWARD ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    PLAYOFF EDITION


    -VS-



    Game Time Start: 7:30 PM ET
    Where: The Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN
    Officials: James Capers, Bennie Adams, Rodney Mott (Mark Lindsay)

    Media Notes: Indiana Notes, Toronto Notes
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    Radio: WFNI 1070 AM, 107.5 FM / CJCL 590, 1050 AM
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    REMINDER: Per PD policy, please do not share a link to, describe how to search for, request a link to, or request a PM about streaming video of a NBA game that is not coming directly through the NBA. Not even in a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean" round-about sort of way. Thank you


    1
    46-38
    Home: 26-15
    1
    57-27
    Away: 24-17
    Apr 23
    Apr 26
    Apr 29
    May 01
    3:00pm
    T B D
    If Needed
    If Needed

    MAHINMI
    ALLEN
    GEORGE
    ELLIS
    HILL
    VALANCIUNAS
    SCOLA
    CARROLL
    DEROZAN
    LOWRY


    PACERS
    Ian Mahinmi - back (questionable)


    RAPTORS
    None reported





    How the Pacers may adjust to Jonas Valanciunas
    Blake Murphy


    The primary talking point coming out of Game 2 has been the dominance of Jonas Valanciunas.
    While he battled foul trouble in Game 1 and struggled to finish chip-ins around the rim, he was a
    force while on the floor, setting a Raptors franchise record for postseason rebounds in just 21
    minutes of action. He avoided that foul trouble in Game 2 and spent 31 minutes wreaking havoc
    as a result.

    All told, through two games, Valanciunas has 35 points and 34 rebounds in just 52 minutes,
    shooting 14-of-32 and swatting away three shots, a number that doesn’t really do the job he’s
    done as a help defender justice. He’s been great, and the fact that the Raptors have been
    outscored by six points with him on the floor has little to do with his individual play. With
    Valanciunas on the floor, the Raptors are grabbing 52.6 percent of available rebounds, seeing a
    spike at both ends, and his finishing in Game 2 was paramount to the team’s strong early play.

    The Raptors are fully expecting the Pacers to adjust for Game 3, and Valanciunas and company
    are ready for the counters they may need to make as a result.

    How, specifically, the Pacers adjust could go a number of different ways. Here are a few options
    and what they would mean for the Raptors.

    Send weakside help on the dive

    This one’s pretty straightforward, and it’s something a few teams do to muck up the Raptors
    pick-and-roll actions when Valanciunas shares the floor with Luis Scola. Basically, instead of
    guarding a Kyle Lowry-Valanciunas pick-and-roll with just their two primary checks or sending
    strongside help (something no team wants to do), the Pacers can continue to show pressure on
    the ball-handler (Lowry, or even DeMar DeRozan), then send a third body from the weak wing to
    bump Valanciunas on the dive.


    Despite shooting well from outside this year, opponents still treat Scola as a non-shooter, daring
    him to make them pay in order to snuff out higher-EV parts of the Toronto offense. In what’s
    been a funny twist to start games, Scola and Lavoy Allen have been taking turns completely
    abandoning each other to help in this way.

    As 8 Points, 9 Seconds points out, though, this isn’t a very Frank Vogel thing to do, and their
    bigs are inexperienced with it. (Ditto for dropping under screens on Lowry/Cory Joseph, which
    they cover in more detail.)

    Counter

    It’s a reasonable gamble for the defense, and it’s yet another reason to start Patrick Patterson
    at the power forward spot. It’s not a knock on Scola, who has been solid so far in the series and
    brings a ton to the team from a leadership perspective, but a Patterson-Valanciunas duo has
    long made more sense on paper, and the numbers have bore it out emphatically this season.
    Personally, I’d shift DeMarre Carroll back to the bench and deploy him as the backup at both
    forward spots until he looks up to the Paul George assignment, starting Patterson and Norman
    Powell in the process. (I realize that’s a detraction from my suggested Game 2 adjustment of
    starting Carroll, but I expected Carroll to look better than he did, and I also suggested it
    assuming Dwane Casey wouldn’t make the Scola-Patterson swap. One of Carroll or Patterson
    has to start, basically. Or both.)

    If changing the starting lineup after a win seems strange, this is the playoffs. Closing out a game
    with DeRozan was strange, too. You have to be proactive, and ensuring there’s nobody the Pacers
    can comfortably cheat off of on the weak side of the floor will prevent them from over-helping the
    Raptors’ initial actions involving Valanciunas.

    Patterson’s also just been one of the team’s most important players and should be playing 35
    minutes in this series, something that’s tough to do if he comes off the bench.

    Go small

    Valanciunas got in foul trouble in Game 1 in part because of GAHHH CONSPIRACY SCOTT FOSTER
    RABBLE but also in part because of Myles Turner. Going smaller could make things tougher on
    Valanciunas defensively, requiring him to come out a little further from the rim and contest
    jumpers, then recover back in help. He’s gotten better at that this season, and the Pacers don’t
    have bigs who can extend beyond long twos, so it might be tenable. The Pacers might have to
    start Turner, anyway, if Ian Mahinmi (back) can’t go (more on this in a second).

    That might also let them...CONTINUE READING AT RAPTORS REPUBLIC

    The Pacers Big Problem: Jonas Valanciunas
    William Furr


    The Indiana Pacers are leaving Toronto tied at 1 game apiece — but they have a long, uphill
    road ahead.

    In a series many predicted to be a sweep, the Indiana Pacers have put the Raptors on their
    heels repeatedly.

    All-Star DeMar DeRozan looked absolutely broken while not playing a single minute in the 4th
    quarter, and will probably have nightmares about Paul George waiting around every corner in
    his house. Kyle Lowry looks like Solomon Hill shooting from deep, and DeMarre Carroll has done
    almost nothing useful through two games.

    The Pacers have many reasons to feel confident heading back to Indianapolis. They now have
    home-court advantage and only have to hold serve in the friendly confines of The Fieldhouse to
    take the series.

    However, the Pacers have a problem. A rather large problem. A 7-foot-tall, 255-pound problem
    to be exact.

    His name is Jonas Valanciunas.

    Through two games, Valanciunas is eviscerating the Pacers. He’s averaging 17.5 points and 17
    rebounds in just 26 minutes per contest. Contrast that to Ian Mahinmi’s 3 points and 4
    rebounds, and the magnitude of the problem becomes known.

    The only reprieve the Pacers have gotten from JV has been foul trouble. He fouled out of Game
    1, and spent some quality time on the pine in Game 2 with fouls as well. The Pacers won’t win
    this series by giving up 17 and 17 to the Raptors third best player, and might not even win
    another game that way. They have to find a way to slow the big man’s roll in order to stay
    competitive moving forward.

    Stopping Jonas Valanciunas After the Pick and Roll

    The Raptors have run the same play, over and over and over again, to expose the Pacers
    defense. The play starts with a high screen and roll, sometimes set by Valanciunas,
    sometimes not, leading into a screen by Valanciunas while the paint is devoid of Pacers
    defenders.

    The Pacers big man in this situation — usually Ian Mahinmi or Myles Turner — is left on an
    island. As George Hill/Monta Ellis trail the play after going over the screen, the big man has a
    decision to make. They must either step up, stop the guard penetration, and rely on to slow
    down a rolling JV, or sag back and try to guard both the rolling big and the attacking guard.

    Frank Vogel’s team defense has been built on conservative play from his big men. Roy Hibbert
    and Ian Mahinmi traditionally drop back when defending the screener, giving up the midrange
    jumper and relying on their length (and backside help defense) to cover the rolling big man.
    But the Raptors have done a phenomenal job of pulling all the help defenders away from the
    basket, leaving Ian and Myles Turner exposed in space.

    Jonas Valanciunas has lived on a steady diet of lobs, alley oops, and easy rebounds. He has
    often found himself with only empty lane between himself and the basket, while Mahinmi/
    Turner and helplessly sealed behind him and Monta Ellis crashing down too late to be useful.
    The Raptors have identified this and are running it over and over again, as long as they can
    keep JV on the floor.

    The Pacers have to adjust moving forward. There are a few ways they can do this. None are
    appealing, but they can’t continue to give Valanciunas whatever he wants at the rim.

    Option 1: Trap the Ball Handler and Rotate in Advance

    This option would be decidedly anti-Frank Vogel in process. It would involve Mahinmi and
    Turner hedging hard as Valanciunas sets the screen, and keeping their hands high to block
    the passing lanes. As the big man bodies up the attacking Raptor, the trailing Pacers guard
    traps from behind. The weak side defender drops to the basket, and Toronto is forced to
    kick the ball back out behind the arc.

    Pros: This would almost certainly...CONTINUE READING AT 8p9s


    Pacers
    Candace Buckner @CandaceDBuckner
    Jared Wade @8pts9secs
    Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s
    Tom Lewis @indycornrows
    Ian Levy @HickoryHigh
    Whitney @its_whitney

    Raptors
    Doug Smith @SmithRaps
    Holly MacKenzie @stackmack
    Sam Holako @RapsFan
    Adam Francis @raptorshq
    Joseph Casciaro @JosephCasciaro
    Blake Murphy @BlakeMurphyODC

    This is the darkest timeline.

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    Re: 4/21/2016 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Raptors

    Pressure's on us to protect our home court. Question is: Will Paul George get any help tonight?

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    • #3
      Re: 4/21/2016 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Raptors

      Pacers gonna win tonite!

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      • #4
        Re: 4/21/2016 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Raptors

        Toronto... that's one huge cRaptor.

        cRap city
        "I have never taken the high road, but I tell other people to ’cause then there’s more room for me on the low road."

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        • #5
          Re: 4/21/2016 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Raptors

          Manhimi is clearly injured:

          Mahinmi, who is listed as questionable, did his best to downplay his injury, to dissuade the idea that he could miss Thursday’s game. But if Mahinmi’s back continues to sap his athleticism – he has missed all eight of his shot attempts in the series – his inability to score and defend could significantly damage the Pacers’ chances of upsetting the Raptors.After the Pacers’ practice, Mahinmi shared how he will prepare for Thursday’s game. He said he would exchange text messages from someone on the training staff every two hours to explain how he is feeling when outside of the arena. He also planned on doing multiple stretches throughout Wednesday night and during Thursday afternoon to alleviate the pain and soreness in his back.
          Mahinmi was asked if he would receive a Cortisone shot before Thursday’s game to ensure he could play.
          “I wish I could help you on that question,” he said. “No comment.”
          He'll most likely play, but still sucks as when he is solid he does give a Pacers a real good body.

          http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...gain/83284758/

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          • #6
            Re: 4/21/2016 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Raptors

            Time for the bench to get their **** together.

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            • #7
              Re: 4/21/2016 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Raptors

              Do you remember the Atlanta series in '14? Do you remember what Mike Scott did to use in that game 5? Someone from our bench needs to do that tonight. Someone has to become our Mike Scott. I don't care if it's CJ, Solo, Ty or Stuckey. I only know that we need someone from our bench to go off tonight.
              Originally posted by IrishPacer
              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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              • #8
                Re: 4/21/2016 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Raptors

                As I said in another thread, Raptor fans were worried about Turner. They said JV really struggles to guard bigs are are able to shoot the ball. JV is destroying our entire front line as it is, may as well go with the one guy who COULD give him some problems.

                Problem is, for this strategy to work, we'd have to play the PnR game with Turner, something only Ty Lawson and Joe Young seem to be willing to do.

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                • #9
                  Re: 4/21/2016 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Raptors

                  The other thing is to start Hill over Allen. Hill's offensive game has not been present during this series, but Scola can't guard him on the perimeter and it could be something we could take advantage of.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 4/21/2016 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Raptors

                    Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                    Do you remember the Atlanta series in '14? Do you remember what Mike Scott did to use in that game 5? Someone from our bench needs to do that tonight. Someone has to become our Mike Scott. I don't care if it's CJ, Solo, Ty or Stuckey. I only know that we need someone from our bench to go off tonight.
                    you mean you want somebody to show boat up and down the floor riding a fake horse cause he knocked down a few shots in a row?
                    You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                    • #11
                      Re: 4/21/2016 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Raptors

                      So ready for this game.

                      Blow their doors off.
                      "I have never taken the high road, but I tell other people to ’cause then there’s more room for me on the low road."

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                      • #12
                        Re: 4/21/2016 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Raptors

                        3hrs...

                        30min...
                        "I have never taken the high road, but I tell other people to ’cause then there’s more room for me on the low road."

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                        • #13
                          Re: 4/21/2016 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Raptors

                          I'm going to PAX East this weekend and my flight leaves at 5 AM...but I'm still going to stay up for the game. They better win haha.

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                            Re: 4/21/2016 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Raptors

                            Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                            you mean you want somebody to show boat up and down the floor riding a fake horse cause he knocked down a few shots in a row?
                            No. I want somebody to score 17 points off the bench, though.
                            Originally posted by IrishPacer
                            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                              Re: 4/21/2016 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #3: Pacers Vs. Raptors

                              3 hrs
                              "I have never taken the high road, but I tell other people to ’cause then there’s more room for me on the low road."

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