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Is it wrong to like the Pistons, and Be a Hardcore Pacer Fan?

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  • #16
    Re: Is it wrong to like the Pistons, and Be a Hardcore Pacer Fan?

    I hate to bring it up, but 11/19 will stick with me forever. I don't think I'll ever be able to respect the Pistons. Just seeing some of those guys on the TV (*cough* Ben Wallace *cough*) irks me the wrong way.

    Oh well, I suppose it has created a nice rivalry

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    • #17
      Re: Is it wrong to like the Pistons, and Be a Hardcore Pacer Fan?

      Originally posted by Kegboy
      Jay will field that, I'm sure. However, even during The Season That Never Happened, you didn't hear our players *****ing and moaning every other day about something Larry was or wasn't doing. There were no "leaks" about how fed up our guys were with having to "play the right way". And we weren't coming off a championship, either.
      again, this is all news to me. Apparently Im not as in tune to the pistons.....I could have sworn nobody said much of anything.

      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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      • #18
        Re: Is it wrong to like the Pistons, and Be a Hardcore Pacer Fan?

        Originally posted by Kegboy
        Jay will field that, I'm sure. However, even during The Season That Never Happened, you didn't hear our players *****ing and moaning every other day about something Larry was or wasn't doing. There were no "leaks" about how fed up our guys were with having to "play the right way". And we weren't coming off a championship, either.

        But in all fairness we are dealing with a very friendly media towards Pacers management. I don't think you would have heard anything even if it was being put out there by the players unless it came out of N.Y. (Vescey) or Chicago (Smith) because we all know has covered for the team in the past. Actually I don't have the article but I seem to remember even after that season once Brown left said that the players had been complaining to him most of the season. Actually now that I think about it I think he said that on the Sports Jam on WTHR.


        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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        • #19
          Re: Is it wrong to like the Pistons, and Be a Hardcore Pacer Fan?

          Yes. Yes it is very wrong.
          This space for rent.

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          • #20
            Re: Is it wrong to like the Pistons, and Be a Hardcore Pacer Fan?

            As to the question at hand.

            Yes, I like the Pistons. I love the Pacers but I respect the hell out of Brown & I really truely admire Joe Dumars as a G.M. Actually I will go out & say that Joe D. is the best in the entire N.B.A. right now.

            Now having said that I will say this. I used to love Ben Wallace, but last year in the E.C. finals I started to see him in a differant light. He does not play as physical as I thought he did. Now after playing them several times this season I have seen an even further chink in his armor.

            He doesn't like to be played physical any more than Jermaine O'neal does. Which to be honest shocks me. I beg the Pacers to body up on him & I swear he will lose his mind as fast, if not faster, than J.O. does.

            Now on the other hand I've had to gain an entire level of respect for Rasheed Wallace. He is not afraid of contact & his defense in the post is far better than I ever thought it was.


            Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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            • #21
              Re: Is it wrong to like the Pistons, and Be a Hardcore Pacer Fan?

              (A)sshole Wallace and (B)itch Wallace are two of the biggest jerks in the NBA. They are bad for the league and I hope bad things happen to them.

              I don't know if it's "wrong" to like or respect the Pistons but I do think it is extremely misguided.

              I like players who play hard all the time and treat the game and their opponents with respect.

              I dislike the Pistons, and I abso-friggin-lutely HATE the Wallaces.

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              • #22
                Re: Is it wrong to like the Pistons, and Be a Hardcore Pacer Fan?

                Originally posted by Roy Munson
                (A)sshole Wallace and (B)itch Wallace are two of the biggest jerks in the NBA. They are bad for the league and I hope bad things happen to them.

                I don't know if it's "wrong" to like or respect the Pistons but I do think it is extremely misguided.

                I like players who play hard all the time and treat the game and their opponents with respect.

                I dislike the Pistons, and I abso-friggin-lutely HATE the Wallaces.
                Go on, go on, pop a cap in their asses!

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                • #23
                  Re: Is it wrong to like the Pistons, and Be a Hardcore Pacer Fan?

                  Originally posted by Harmonica
                  Go on, go on, pop a cap in their asses!
                  Fo Shizzle.

                  It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Is it wrong to like the Pistons, and Be a Hardcore Pacer Fan?

                    Originally posted by Roy Munson
                    (A)sshole Wallace and (B)itch Wallace are two of the biggest jerks in the NBA. They are bad for the league and I hope bad things happen to them.

                    I don't know if it's "wrong" to like or respect the Pistons but I do think it is extremely misguided.

                    I like players who play hard all the time and treat the game and their opponents with respect.

                    I dislike the Pistons, and I abso-friggin-lutely HATE the Wallaces.
                    I agree with this post.
                    This space for rent.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Is it wrong to like the Pistons, and Be a Hardcore Pacer Fan?

                      Originally posted by Roy Munson
                      (A)sshole Wallace and (B)itch Wallace are two of the biggest jerks in the NBA. They are bad for the league and I hope bad things happen to them.

                      I don't know if it's "wrong" to like or respect the Pistons but I do think it is extremely misguided.

                      I like players who play hard all the time and treat the game and their opponents with respect.

                      I dislike the Pistons, and I abso-friggin-lutely HATE the Wallaces.
                      I thought about damning them to hell, I thought about curses, but this sums it up best.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Is it wrong to like the Pistons, and Be a Hardcore Pacer Fan?

                        I really like Tayshaun Prince's game.
                        I like Chauncy Billups as a fantasy player.
                        I respect Rip Hamilton's game.
                        I dont really like the excess bravado that comes Sheed.
                        I think Ben Wallace is a punk.

                        I'm indifferent towards Larry Brown.
                        I think they are a good team who when they play to their strengths can be very tough to beat.
                        I think Dumars is one of the best GM's in the NBA.

                        I enjoy the rivalry between the Pacers and the Pistons.
                        I cant wait till the next showdown when both teams have their full roster.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Is it wrong to like the Pistons, and Be a Hardcore Pacer Fan?

                          Originally posted by skyfire
                          I really like Tayshaun Prince's game.
                          I like Chauncy Billups as a fantasy player.
                          I respect Rip Hamilton's game.
                          I dont really like the excess bravado that comes Sheed.
                          I think Ben Wallace is a punk.

                          I'm indifferent towards Larry Brown.
                          I think they are a good team who when they play to their strengths can be very tough to beat.
                          I think Dumars is one of the best GM's in the NBA.

                          I enjoy the rivalry between the Pacers and the Pistons.
                          I cant wait till the next showdown when both teams have their full roster.
                          I agree with this post.

                          I like the Pistons when they play the Lakers.
                          I lost a lot of respect for Ben Wallace this year.
                          I learned to tolerate Rasheed Wallace a little. (He is a better player than I first thought he was).
                          I like Rip's game.
                          Billups can shoot the ball well.
                          Prince is good. (I still wish Reggie had not tried for the and1, and just dunked the ball last year)

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                          • #28
                            Re: Is it wrong to like the Pistons, and Be a Hardcore Pacer Fan?

                            I like this dude (or dudette - not sure really). Gets me thinking early in the morning and I'm suffering from a certain brain dessication disorder resulting from the overconsumption of a grain-based product. Pretty bad when your head hurts too bad for you to sleep. Helpful hint: Do not - EVER - mix stingers, shots of JD, shots of Tequila & Dom Perignon. Take it from me - it doesn't work. Now to the discussion.

                            Originally posted by 8.9_seconds
                            I've been wondering, Is it wrong to like the Pistons, and still love the Pacers. I mean are the words Pacers and Pistons oxymorons now? Or am I just a moron for asking this?
                            Of course you're not wrong. Anyone who thinks you're wrong would just be a judgemental bigot incapable of the subtle depths of understanding that you and I share.

                            Good question though, and one I'll have to think about over the next week or so. Since you've helped raise the general level of discussion with your questions, let me offer this truly Aristotelian inquiry:

                            If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody was around to hear it, did Hitler still throw the cup?
                            The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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                            • #29
                              Re: Is it wrong to like the Pistons, and Be a Hardcore Pacer Fan?

                              Originally posted by Kegboy
                              This is how I feel, but feel free to feel otherwise. UB always gives the impression that Detroit's his second favorite team, and if he can feel that way, more power to him.

                              .
                              Let me first say I loved the way the two teams played in the playoffs last season. NOW THAT WAS PLAYOFF BASKETBALL AT ITS BEST. Perfect playoff basketball. The intensity of the play whether you were their in person or just watching on TV, you could feel it


                              I suppose I better explain what Kegboy is refering to this a little.

                              Hope this does not bore anyone, if it bores me then I'll stop.

                              When Rick Carlisle was hired as Pistons coach I was very interested to see how good of a coach he would be. So I read every article out of Detroit during Rick's first training camp and continued to follow the Pistons very closely during that first year. If the Pacers weren't playing I would watch the Pistons.

                              I was very jealous, IMO the Pistons were the best coached team in the NBA that year and having to watch the Isiah Thomas coached Pacers really pained me. Afterall Rick should have been coaching the Pacers.

                              So during Rick's two years there the Pistons were my second favorite team in the NBA, a distant second, but I loved the way they played. IMO they played perfect NBA basketball.

                              When Rick was fired, I was shocked but also excited, maybe the Pacers would get Rick.

                              Brown was hired by the Pistons and I love him as a coach so I continued to follow the Pistons very closely last year. When the Pistons acquired Sheed for "nothing" I was pissed. He was the exact player they needed, a perfect fit. They became a little bit more of the enemy then. Jump to the ECF, I had no problem with how the Pistons acted in that series, they won fair a square and were the better team (even if J.O and Jamaal were healthy) (the Pistons fans who attended the playoff games were below scum)

                              By the way Prince has a block similar to the one he had against Reggie about every other game, that was no surprise to me, he does that all the time.

                              I wanted the Pistons to win the NBA championship , not because I hated the Lakers, but I wanted them to win it for LB and for playing the right way which the Pistons had for 3 straight years. Theyt were an eastern conference team....

                              I was happy the Pistons won. I rated their defense the best I had ever seen. It is not quite as good this season. Rick deserves some credit too for that team's success.

                              That leads us to 11/19 and the day I lost all respect for Ben Wallace and his whole family, he he. The day I started hating the Pistons organization and their fans, they day that "franchise" ruined the Pacers season. Enough about 11/19, we all know all that stuff.

                              The point is I still like Larry Brown, I think Prince is becoming the best player on that team (thanks Kstat for pointing that out, I was asleep at the switch, but Prince has become the best player on that team) I know it is not realistic, but if the pacers ever have to trade Ronnie, I would love to have Prince to replace him. Never will happen.

                              So many have said that Ron is not needed so much against the Pistons he has no one to guard, well he is very much needed to contain Prince. And at least keep Prince occupied on defense.

                              I still respect Rip, Chauncey, I think Sheed is very underrated.

                              But the Pistons fans and their organization has soured me, I hate the Pistons now.

                              If you are still reading this post at this point, let me know and I'll give you a dollar

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                              • #30
                                Re: Is it wrong to like the Pistons, and Be a Hardcore Pacer Fan?

                                Anything bad said about Ben Wallace in this thread you can multiply it by 1000 and that is what I feel about that ***.

                                I'm not a big fan of Sheeds antics, but I really wanted the Pacers to get him last year. But I really can't stand his big mouth.

                                I used to kinda like the Pistons as a whole, but now I don't.

                                I just want us to win a championship and roll over Detroit in the process.

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