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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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1/12/16 Game Thread #38: Pacers vs. Suns

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  • 1/12/16 Game Thread #38: Pacers vs. Suns



    Game Time Start: 7:00 PM EST
    Where: The Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN
    Officials: Marc Davis, Tony Brown, Mitchell Ervin

    Media Notes: Indiana Notes, Phoenix Notes
    Television: FOX Sports Indiana / FOX Sports Arizona
    Radio: WFNI 1070 AM, 107.5 FM / KTAR 98.7 FM
    NBA Feeds: NBA Audio & Broadband League Pass (subscription req'd)

    REMINDER: Per PD policy, please do not share a link to, describe how to search for, request a link to, or request a PM about streaming video of a NBA game that is not coming directly through the NBA. Not even in a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean" round-about sort of way. Thank you

    Home: 12-5
    West: 6-9
    Away: 4-15
    East: 4-9
    Jan 13
    Jan 15
    Jan 17
    Jan 19


    None reported

    Eric Bledsoe - torn meniscus in left knee (out)
    Alex Len - hand sprain (out)
    Ronnie Price - right great toe sprain (out)
    P.J. Tucker - right quad contusion (probable)

    Goran Dragic talks about Suns loyalty, constant changes, and wishes them the best
    Dave King

    Just like so many once-loyal Phoenix Suns have said over the past decade after they leave the
    Valley in a surprising exit, Goran Dragic laments the circumstances of his exit and wishes the
    Suns all the best as he tries to make playoff memories with his new team.

    On Friday night, your friendly neighborhood Slovenian point guard returns to the Valley to play
    some NBA basketball in front of 18,000 (or so) Suns fans.

    Yay, right?

    Not so fast. This time, Goran Dragic is with the Miami Heat, who like San Antonio "are really loyal
    when they find something
    ", rather than with the Suns who are "always changing something",
    according to Dragic who spoke to Yahoo! Sports about his upcoming opponent this week.

    Dragic survived the 25-57 season three ago as the Suns starting point guard. Now, he sees that
    the Suns are going through something similarly bad three years later.

    "I already went through the season with only [25] wins," Dragic said to Yahoo!, "and it's not
    pretty. Most of the guys, we're really competitive and you want to win a lot of games. And when
    you get to that mix where you don't win [in] like 10 games in a row, that's really tough. That's
    really tough. Everything is worse. In your personal life. Everything. I always say I'm hurting
    sometimes, have a lot of injuries. But if you win a game, I feel great. But if you lose the game,
    those injuries, they come up. I don't know how to explain it, winning is such a unique thing."

    Dragic went from struggling starting point guard to All-NBA player in two short seasons in his
    second stint with the Suns, all the while carrying the mantle of the fans' favorite player and
    boasting of his love for Phoenix.

    But two months after being named the league Most Improved Player for 2013-14, the Suns
    spent their free agent money on another starting caliber point guard. Four months later, they
    gave big money to the other starting caliber point guard Dragic had already split his playmaking
    duties with.

    And eight months later, Dragic was demanding a trade.

    "Everybody expected that we're going to get some big guys that we thought we needed, but
    they did another move, they bring in a point guard and it was tough," Dragic told Yahoo.

    When the Suns came up short on their efforts to lure big-name All-Stars to supplement the
    starless Suns, they surprised everyone by turning their attention to Isaiah Thomas. One theory
    was that, since Bledsoe had missed half the previous season, they wanted to triple-down on their
    starting guard rotation to absorb injury. Another theory was that Thomas was insurance against
    an ugly divorce from Bledsoe, who was a summer-long holdout and could potentially have been
    traded if a contract couldn't be worked out.

    But none of that happened, and the Suns went into the 2014-15 season with their three best
    players being ball-dominant point guards. Dragic was frustrated from day one, and even moreso
    when training camp opened with all three healthy, signed and ready to go.

    The big difference between Dragic and the other two was that Dragic was the only one without a
    long-term contract to make him feel secure. And, he was the one asked to spend the most time
    off the ball while the other two took turns bringing it up the court.

    "I was a little bit frustrated," Dragic told Yahoo! "It was tough, especially for me, because I was
    playing off the ball all the time, and I was guarding [small forwards]. That was tough for me,
    but they did what they did."

    Dragic was definitely marginalized in that first half-season, in favor of Eric Bledsoe as the primary
    point guard and Isaiah Thomas as the ball-loving backup. When either of the other two were on
    the floor, Dragic was a secondary option.

    The Suns made promises to Dragic that the playing time would get cleared up by the trade
    deadline, but Dragic had already decided that since they so easily spent more than $100 million
    on point guards that summer he wasn't in the Suns long term plans.


    Candace Buckner @CandaceDBuckner
    Nate Taylor @ByNateTaylor
    Jared Wade @8pts9secs
    Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s
    Tom Lewis @indycornrows
    Whitney @its_whitney

    Paul Coro @paulcoro
    Seth Pollack @sethpo
    Michael Schwartz @ValleyoftheSuns
    BrightSideoftheSun @BrightSideSun
    Kevin Zimmerman @offensivelyfoul
    Mike Schmitz @Mike_Schmitz

    This is the darkest timeline.

  • #2
    Re: 1/12/16 Game Thread #38: Pacers vs. Suns

    Thumbs up for the all Bowie minimally relevant videos.

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...


    • #3
      Re: 1/12/16 Game Thread #38: Pacers vs. Suns

      So it's official? If we start Allen vs the Suns I'd say that our starting small unit has been put to bed.

      Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13


      • #4
        Re: 1/12/16 Game Thread #38: Pacers vs. Suns

        Originally posted by Peck View Post
        So it's official? If we start Allen vs the Suns I'd say that our starting small unit has been put to bed.
        Nothing official. Pacers haven't updated Games Notes since the game in Houston, Paul Coro lists Lavoy but I think that's just a guess given the time the article was posted, nothing from Candace, lists CJ Miles but I don't know if that's based on anything official or just an educated guess.
        This is the darkest timeline.


        • #5
          Re: 1/12/16 Game Thread #38: Pacers vs. Suns

          Brandon Knight is out with an illness. If we don't win this game by 20+ I'll be mad. I'm sure it'll be a struggle.


          • #6
            Re: 1/12/16 Game Thread #38: Pacers vs. Suns

            This would be an ideal game to not lose. If not, we're going to need to make some serious Changes. Hope PG plays like a Starman tonight.


            • #7
              Re: 1/12/16 Game Thread #38: Pacers vs. Suns

              Originally posted by Peck View Post
              So it's official? If we start Allen vs the Suns I'd say that our starting small unit has been put to bed.
              Miles just isn't good enough at the 4.


              • #8
                Re: 1/12/16 Game Thread #38: Pacers vs. Suns

                Suns are without Alex Len and Brandon Knight. If we don't win this game... shame.


                • #9
                  Re: 1/12/16 Game Thread #38: Pacers vs. Suns

                  solid Bowie intro, even if the just throw in a bunch of song titles got old fast today


                  • #10
                    Re: 1/12/16 Game Thread #38: Pacers vs. Suns

                    No excuse to lose this one. Let's control this game all the way through.


                    • #11
                      Re: 1/12/16 Game Thread #38: Pacers vs. Suns

                      Devin Booker's been in mini Klay Thompson mode the last couple weeks


                      • #12
                        Re: 1/12/16 Game Thread #38: Pacers vs. Suns

                        Paul George has 5+ turnovers in 7 of last 13 games. Idc who you are, that's way too much


                        • #13
                          Re: 1/12/16 Game Thread #38: Pacers vs. Suns

                          didn't realize Earl Watson was an assistant in Phoenix


                          • #14
                            Re: 1/12/16 Game Thread #38: Pacers vs. Suns

                            This is going to be easy. Doesn't even matter if we play badly.

                            Change is neither good or bad, it simply is.


                            • #15
                              Re: 1/12/16 Game Thread #38: Pacers vs. Suns

                              Originally posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
                              Nothing official. Pacers haven't updated Games Notes since the game in Houston, Paul Coro lists Lavoy but I think that's just a guess given the time the article was posted, nothing from Candace, lists CJ Miles but I don't know if that's based on anything official or just an educated guess.
                              What other playoff contending team would be starting Lavoy Allen?