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  • avoidingtheclowns
    streets ahead
    • Jul 2006
    • 6118

    #1

    12/28/15 Game Thread #31: Pacers vs. Hawks

    RED BLAND SOCIETY



    -VS-



    Game Time Start: 7:00 PM EST
    Where: The Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN
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    17-12
    Home: 10-4
    East: 12-4
    20-12
    Away: 8-6
    East: 12-6
    Dec 30
    Dec 31
    Jan 02
    Jan 04
    8:00pm
    6:00pm
    7:00pm
    7:30pm

    MAHINMI
    MILES
    GEORGE
    ELLIS
    HILL
    HORFORD
    MILLSAP
    BAZEMORE
    KORVER
    TEAGUE


    PACERS
    Myles Turner - thumb (out)


    HAWKS
    Tiago Splitter - Calf Strain (out)





    The Prosecution of Thabo Sefolosha
    Scott Eden


    On an April night in New York City, the Hawks forward was injured and arrested by the
    NYPD. This is the exclusive story of how, in the aftermath, he became what he never wanted
    to be: a civil rights symbol.


    Five minutes and 22 seconds after Thabo Sefolosha came out onto the sidewalk from a
    Manhattan nightclub on the morning of April 8, his wrists were manacled behind his back
    and two policemen were steering him by his elbows toward the rear seat of a cop car.

    In the days, weeks and months to follow, Sefolosha, a Swiss native of South African descent
    and a key player for the Atlanta Hawks, would retell the story of those five minutes over and
    over again -- to his lawyer, his wife, his parents, his coaches, his teammates, the media, the
    jury, himself. In his memory, it doesn't seem like five minutes. It doesn't seem to him
    anymore like a space of time at all. It's as if those five minutes won't ever end. "There has
    honestly not been a day I haven't thought about that night since it happened," he says.
    "There's no escaping from it."

    The team's plane had landed in New York around 1:30 a.m. for a game against the Brooklyn
    Nets. Earlier that night, in Atlanta, Sefolosha had played 20 minutes against the Phoenix Suns
    in the nastiest, most belligerent game of the season. There were seven technical fouls. A Suns
    player was ejected. Now, at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in lower Manhattan, where the team was
    staying, Sefolosha didn't feel like sleeping; he was too amped up. When he'd talked recently
    over the phone to his brother in Switzerland, he'd told him he was excited for the playoffs,
    which were starting in 10 days. He'd been to the NBA Finals once before, with the Thunder
    three years earlier, losing in five games to the Heat. Now, playing off the bench for the Hawks,
    who had clinched the top seed in the Eastern Conference, he wanted another chance at a title.
    He was a month from turning 31, old for the NBA. Who knew how many more opportunities
    he'd have. "Man, I've never felt like this," he said to his brother. "We have a real shot. I'm
    going to give it all I got. I'm going to be a locomotive."

    A friend of Sefolosha's, a sports agent living in New York who represents other NBA players,
    had texted, suggesting they meet at a place called 1 Oak in the city's Chelsea neighborhood.
    Sefolosha had heard of the club -- the kind of high-end, velvet-rope establishment that
    paparazzi encamp outside of in hopes of DiCaprio sightings -- but he'd never been there.
    Sefolosha's friend and teammate, Pero Antic, decided to go along. The club was becoming
    packed. They took a VIP table. At such tables, the only choice is to buy full bottles of liquor.
    They ordered one of Jameson and one of vodka. Sefolosha mixed his Jameson with Sprite;
    he had two or three of these. They got to talking with other clubgoers, whom they urged to
    pour themselves drinks from the bottles; there was no way Antic and Sefolosha could finish
    them. An hour passed. His friend the agent rose to say good night, and not long after he left,
    the house lights came blazing on and the music died. Everyone had to go, the bouncers said,
    giving no reason, and they all went, exiting orderly through the front door.

    Emerging onto the street, they could see to the left what appeared to be a crime scene. Dome
    lights rotated atop police cars and emergency vehicles. There was a length of yellow tape and
    many uniformed cops shouting Clear the block! Everyone was being herded to the right, away
    from the yellow tape, down 17th Street toward its intersection with 10th Avenue, about 40
    yards west of 1 Oak. Despite the cops' instructions, people were coming out of the club and
    mingling in little groups on the sidewalk and in the traffic-blocked street, including Antic and
    Sefolosha, as can be seen in CCTV surveillance videos. People they'd met at their table were
    wishing them well in the playoffs. Someone said, "Bonne chance." Sefolosha found himself
    talking to two women he'd met at the table that night, one of whom, he'd learned, had dated
    a current Hawk.

    Now Sefolosha and Antic registered one cop in particular. He had a high-and-tight Marine
    Corps haircut. He was 5-foot-7. He was, according to witnesses, shouting: "Get the f--- off
    my street."

    "Get the f--- off my street," the cop said again.

    Antic is a bald 6-11 Macedonian, close to 300 pounds, with a dense black beard and a voice
    like a contrabassoon. A friend once described him as "resembling Xerxes," the ancient Persian
    warlord. He tends to stand out in a crowd. Yet the cop seemed now to be focused solely on
    Sefolosha, according to the court testimony of a 1 Oak bouncer and that of the two women
    Sefolosha had met at the club. Standing 6-7 and wiry to the point of fatlessness, with a
    triangular face accentuated by a faint goatee, Sefolosha was wearing black jeans and a black
    hoodie. He wore the hood up. Sefolosha now said to the cop something along the lines of:
    "Relax, man. We're going." He and his group reached 10th Avenue. Many things were now
    happening at once. There was a livery cab, a black SUV, parked on 10th right at the corner.
    The driver asked whether anyone needed a ride. Sefolosha said yes. At one point Antic had
    wandered off from Sefolosha, but now here he was again, saying he'd found out that Chris
    Copeland, the Indiana Pacers forward, had just been stabbed. Outside the club! That's what
    the crime scene back there was for! Could Sefolosha believe it? And now, according to trial
    witnesses, the one cop seemed to be in a rage. He'd told them to move; why were they still
    lingering? Get the f--- out of here. Sefolosha said something back. He recalls lines of
    dialogue, largely corroborated by other witnesses. "You can talk to people nicely, it works
    just as well." And: "It's because you have a badge that you're a tough guy."

    "With or without a badge," the cop replied, "I'll f--- you up." (Much later, when the officer
    was asked under cross-examination whether he had uttered these lines, he said, "I do not
    recall.")

    Sefolosha did not back down. "C'mon, man. You're 5-foot-2. You're a midget, man. Relax.
    I guess I'd be mad too if I were a midget."

    The cop seemed to move away. Other officers were urging Sefolosha and Antic to get into
    the SUV, to leave immediately. One cop, by his own account, was even holding its door
    open. Sefolosha muttered that he didn't understand why he was being chased off so
    aggressively -- many others were milling around at that same moment -- and he couldn't
    resist another crack. "I pay my taxes," he said. "Matter of fact, they probably pay your
    salary." Then, just before he was about to duck into the SUV's back seat, a man approached.

    "Yo, you gonna help a brother out?"

    Sefolosha recognized him from earlier, when he and Antic first walked through 1 Oak's ropes.
    He seemed to be a panhandler who worked the area. Sefolosha had refused the man's earlier
    entreaty, but now he peeled a twenty from his billfold. According to Sefolosha, he made a
    point of saying out loud: "I'm going to give this guy some money." He never got the chance.
    As can be seen on the CCTV video of the scene, the cop at the door of the SUV took the man
    by the arm and ushered him away. Irritated, intent now on pressing the bill into the man's
    hand, Sefolosha took a few long, swift steps toward the pair, trying to catch up. But before
    he could get there, someone checked him in the side, spun him around and took him by the
    right arm. Sefolosha recalls the cop saying, "That's it. You're going to jail." And then there
    was another cop, and then another: They were flocking to him. They had him by both arms.
    He dropped the $20 bill to the ground. "Relax," Sefolosha said, addressing the cops. "Relax."
    He was resigned now to being arrested. Running through his mind was: Get to the police
    station, clear up this misunderstanding -- and get back to the hotel before anyone's the
    wiser. This is not a good look. And then he felt a kick to his right leg and a flash of pain, and
    then his left side rose into the air as if lifted up by someone, and then he was falling and then
    he was on the ground, his face against the pavement, the knees of officers pinning him there.

    FOUR MONTHS EARLIER, when the Hawks played in New York in December 2014, Sefolosha
    and his wife, Bertille, were in a taxi that had come to a halt in midtown Manhattan. Traffic
    was at a standstill, and people were marching by with signs that read black lives matter. It
    was a mass protest in response to a grand jury's decision not to indict the NYPD officer
    whose chokehold had killed Eric Garner four and a half months earlier. Sefolosha and his wife
    got out of the cab and went into the crowd. He took photos and the next day posted one on
    Twitter. "It was good to be in NY and see people getting there [sic] voice heard by protesting
    in the streets," Sefolosha wrote in a tweet. He ended it with a hashtag: #icouldbenext.

    The New York City Police Department has a contentious history of allegations of misconduct
    -- enough of one that there's a heated Wikipedia page dedicated to the subject. In the past
    15 years, the city has paid out on behalf of its police more than $1.2 billion in settlements
    and judgments. In 2014 and 2015 alone, it paid $318.4 million in settlements. By way of
    comparison, Los Angeles paid $74.4 million over those same two years. Adjusting for
    population, NYC paid almost twice as much per person.

    New York's problem also appears to be growing. From 2000 to 2013, the NYPD averaged
    payouts of $64.4 million per year; the past two years, that figure has risen to $159.2 million,
    almost 2.5 times as much. New York City's Civilian Complaint Review Board, an independent
    watchdog agency that investigates grievances by citizens against the police, also reported
    that in the first half of 2015, 49 percent of the alleged victims in CCRB complaints were black;
    NYC's black population stands at 26 percent. That ratio conforms to national averages.
    According to the U.S. Department of Justice, from 2002 to 2011, black people were 2.5 times
    more likely than white people to have experienced nonfatal force in their most recent contact
    with police and 1.7 times more likely than Hispanics.

    THE 10TH PRECINCT, on 20th Street in Chelsea, is a vintage New York City police station. It
    could have been an interior in a scene from Serpico. It was the setting for the 1948 noir
    classic The Naked City. Sefolosha and Antic were now inside it. Antic had been arrested too.
    As the cops had been yanking on Sefolosha's arms, an alarmed Antic says he tapped one of
    them on the shoulder to ask what was going on. He was shoved onto the ground and, after
    Sefolosha was subdued, himself taken into custody. At the precinct, the pair sat handcuffed
    to a bar running along a wall in a corner of the big, open central room. More than two hours
    went by, according to Sefolosha, before they were allowed to make their first phone call -- to
    Andre Cottle, then the Hawks' head of security, a former Daytona Beach vice cop beloved by
    the players.

    "Andre. I'm in jail," Sefolosha said.

    Cottle thought he was joking. "What? Stop playin'."

    Some of the cops who'd tackled and arrested Sefolosha were all now at the precinct, their
    shifts evidently close to ending. After Antic and Sefolosha were fingerprinted, after they'd
    answered name-age-occupation types of questions, it must have become clear to the
    officers, if they hadn't known it already, that these were two NBA players. They did not, to
    Sefolosha, appear in any way unsettled by this fact. He remembers one of them saying to
    him: "Hey, when you get out of here, maybe we can play some one-on-one." Sefolosha's
    ankle throbbed and had begun to swell...CONTINUE READING ESPN THE MAGAZINE


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    Bo Churney @bochurney
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    This is the darkest timeline.
  • BillS
    Angry Old Poster
    • Mar 2004
    • 21862

    #2
    Re: 12/28/15 Game Thread #31: Pacers vs. Hawks

    Excellent article, thanks, ATC.
    BillS

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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    • joew8302
      Member
      • Jul 2008
      • 9561

      #3
      Re: 12/28/15 Game Thread #31: Pacers vs. Hawks

      It feels like we are catching the Hawks while they are playing their best ball. Oh well, we just have to play better.

      Myles Turner also said he is suiting up. I doubt he sees time, but still a good sign.

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      • ECKrueger
        Boilermaker (TJL)
        • Oct 2007
        • 6098

        #4
        Re: 12/28/15 Game Thread #31: Pacers vs. Hawks

        Originally posted by joew8302
        It feels like we are catching the Hawks while they are playing their best ball. Oh well, we just have to play better.

        Myles Turner also said he is suiting up. I doubt he sees time, but still a good sign.
        Frank said he will dress, but not play.

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        • Peck
          Administrator
          • Jan 2004
          • 20053

          #5
          Re: 12/28/15 Game Thread #31: Pacers vs. Hawks

          I hate playing the Hawks. For whatever reason they just usually own us. It will be interesting to see though if we can combat them with their own game, however once again it is dependent on C.J. Miles having a big game. That being said it would be nice if we got a good game out of Paul as well.


          Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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          • MillerTime
            FREE LANCE
            • May 2008
            • 7901

            #6
            Re: 12/28/15 Game Thread #31: Pacers vs. Hawks

            So glad to read that Turner is nearing return. I really think he's going to be a good player in this league with the revamp of the C position
            "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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            • jrwannabe
              Member
              • Jul 2012
              • 5175

              #7
              Re: 12/28/15 Game Thread #31: Pacers vs. Hawks

              I'm thinking we'll start the big line-up tonight

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              • Rogco
                Undefeated
                • Sep 2010
                • 6495

                #8
                Re: 12/28/15 Game Thread #31: Pacers vs. Hawks

                Here's hoping PG can get back to playing good 2-way team basketball
                Danger Zone

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                • MillerTime
                  FREE LANCE
                  • May 2008
                  • 7901

                  #9
                  Re: 12/28/15 Game Thread #31: Pacers vs. Hawks

                  Originally posted by jrwannabe
                  I'm thinking we'll start the big line-up tonight
                  I agree. It'll be hard for CJ Miles for guard Milsap or Horford
                  "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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                  • joew8302
                    Member
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 9561

                    #10
                    Re: 12/28/15 Game Thread #31: Pacers vs. Hawks







                    FYI

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                    • cdash
                      Whale Shepherd
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 32259

                      #11
                      Re: 12/28/15 Game Thread #31: Pacers vs. Hawks

                      No CJ Miles tonight.

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                      • Cactus Jax
                        Formerly PacerFanInAZ
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 7091

                        #12
                        Re: 12/28/15 Game Thread #31: Pacers vs. Hawks

                        Originally posted by cdash
                        No CJ Miles tonight.
                        Now maybe they wish they hadn't sent GR3 to the minor league...
                        "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

                        ----------------- Reggie Miller

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                        • joew8302
                          Member
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 9561

                          #13
                          Re: 12/28/15 Game Thread #31: Pacers vs. Hawks




                          Going big. Hope the Hawks are cold.

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                          • cdash
                            Whale Shepherd
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 32259

                            #14
                            Re: 12/28/15 Game Thread #31: Pacers vs. Hawks

                            Originally posted by Cactus Jax
                            Now maybe they wish they hadn't sent GR3 to the minor league...
                            They only sent him down for the one game. He's been recalled.

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                            • Cactus Jax
                              Formerly PacerFanInAZ
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 7091

                              #15
                              Re: 12/28/15 Game Thread #31: Pacers vs. Hawks

                              Originally posted by cdash
                              They only sent him down for the one game. He's been recalled.
                              Oh...well never mind, hope he gets some minutes tonight, but somehow I think they're all going to go to Chase and Stuckey.

                              Myles Turner being ready asap is a really good sign, hopefully he'll be back by the end of the week, another big to add depth though he'll have to get brought back in again.
                              "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

                              ----------------- Reggie Miller

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