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10/29/15 Game Thread #2: Pacers vs. Grizzlies

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    Game Time Start: 7:00 PM ET
    Where: The Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN
    Officials: Scott Foster, Ben Taylor, Josh Tiven

    Media Notes: Indiana Notes, Memphis Notes
    Television: FOX Sports Indiana / SportSouth
    Radio: WFNI 1070 AM, 107.5 FM / WMFS 92.9 FM
    NBA Feeds:

    REMINDER: Per PD policy, please do not share a link to, describe how to search for, request a link to, or request a PM about streaming video of a NBA game that is not coming directly through the NBA. Not even in a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean" round-about sort of way. Thank you

    Home: 0-0
    West: 0-0
    Away: 0-0
    East: 0-1
    Oct 31
    Nov 3
    Nov 4
    Nov 6


    Glenn Robinson III - sore right shoulder (questionable)
    Myles Turner - sore right ankle (probable)

    Jarell Martin - left foot surgery (out)

    Why the Indiana Pacers Had to Overhaul Their Roster
    Ben Gibson

    When the Indiana Pacers’ offseason began, Larry Bird said he wanted the team to play faster.
    There was one big problem with that and last year’s roster: Each extra possession for the Pacers
    last year cut their chances of winning by almost 1%. Ouch.

    More simply put, the Pacers roster hadn’t shown the ability to be effective as a smaller, faster
    team. When the speed of the game picked up the Pacers often found themselves on the wrong
    side of the scoreboard.

    Was it perception or was it real?

    I had my friend Michael Beverage run of the data and the results may not be surprising, but
    they didn’t fit will with Bird’s vision for the team.

    Looking at last year’s games, there was a -0.194 correlation between the Pacers pace and
    their offensive rating. When the game went faster, Indiana’s offense got worse — much worse.
    While the defense actually was slightly better (a +0.029 correlation), Indiana’s offense wasn’t
    comfortable with the added possessions. As he explained it to me, for each added possession,
    the Pacers had almost a 1% less chance of winning the game.

    In more easy-to-process terms, the Pacers had a season-long average of 95.5 possessions
    per game in 2014-15. When their pace was over that mark they were 11-26. When they
    played fast, they lost more.

    It also isn’t too surprising that the Pacers were 9-24 when opponents scored over 100 points.
    Although they were 25-10 in games in which they themselves scored over 100, so perhaps
    Bird is right to want more points.

    All this serves as a counter, or at least an explanation why Larry Bird went so extreme.
    Matt Moore of CBS feels like the team, or at least Larry Bird, has gone too far in trying to
    adjust the roster to fix that problem... CONTINUE READING ON 8P9S

    Changing the Paint
    Chip Crain

    The Memphis Grizzlies aren’t changing the style has made them one of two teams in the league
    to make the playoffs each of the last 5 seasons (San Antonio being the other) but they will not
    be the same team either. The biggest change may be in the paint of all places.

    The Grizzlies will still be an inside team first and foremost but this season the Grizzlies will be
    using the spread 4 offense as an integral part of their makeup rather than simply a matchup
    situation against certain teams. This is because, after the duo of Randolph and Gasol, the
    Grizzlies don’t have a single player with back to the basket skills ready to contribute on a
    nightly basis.

    The departure of Kosta Koufos, the signing of Brandan Wright, the injury to Jarell Martin and
    the slow development of Jarnell Stokes means this year’s Grizzlies inside power game ends
    when the starters come out of the game. Sure the Grizzlies tried Jon Leuer a lot last season as
    a stretch 4 big but that experiment never took flight due to Leuer’s ineffectiveness forcing the
    Grizzlies to go with a twin tower effect with Koufos more and more down the stretch. With
    Koufos’ departure the Grizzlies backup bigs are going to look very different.

    Head Coach Dave Joerger said that he expects more grit and grind from his team this season
    but that has to mean grit on the perimeter than grind down low. Brandan Wright’s range isn’t
    much further out than Koufos’ but his manner of scoring around the basket is very different.
    Wright is a pick and roll devotee where Koufos’ favorite move was the rolling hook shot. Wright
    prefers attacking the rim off the pick using quickness more than power.

    At 210 pounds, Wright isn’t going to be grinding anyone into exhaustion in the paint either.
    Unlike Koufos who was more of a clogger in the paint, Wright will attempt to use speed and
    energy to open up the Grizzlies on the break and to put pressure on power forwards hanging
    out around the 3 point line.

    So when the Grizzlies go to their bench they will be getting much faster. Combine Wright with
    one of the Green’s (JaMychal and Jeff) and the Grizzlies may be a team that opponents actually
    have to race back to defend for the first time since Hubie Brown was Head Coach.

    The hope is that JaMychal Green will be a faster, more explosive and better shooting power
    forward than Jon Leuer as well. Jason March suggested that JaMychal Green may be the
    biggest surprise on the team this season after an impressive summer and training camp.

    Don’t think this means the Grizzlies will start to resemble the Warriors or Suns. For that matter,
    the Grizzlies won’t resemble the Spurs or Rockets either. The Grizzlies will still be the team that
    plays old school basketball but even teams in the old school could run the ball. The Celtics of
    Bird, McHale, Parrish, Dennis Johnson and Danny Ainge ran the ball despite their not being fleet
    of foot. Likewise the Grizzlies are going to try and pick up the pace with their 2nd unit to get
    easier baskets before defenses set up.

    Still the Grizzlies... CONTINUE READING AT 3SOB

    Candace Buckner @CandaceDBuckner
    Nate Taylor @ByNateTaylor
    Jared Wade @8pts9secs
    Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s
    Tom Lewis @indycornrows
    Whitney @its_whitney

    Ronald Tillery @CAGrizBeat
    Chip Crain @3Shadesofblue
    Joshua Red Coleman @3SOB
    Avi Saini @KateeForbi
    Antonia Bufalino @antoniabuffy
    Chris Faulkner @FaulknerMemphis

    This is the darkest timeline.

  • #2
    Re: 10/29/15 Game Thread #2: Pacers vs. Grizzlies

    We're starting the "big" lineup tonight I believe.


    • #3
      Re: 10/29/15 Game Thread #2: Pacers vs. Grizzlies

      On my way to the game!


      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...


      • #4
        Re: 10/29/15 Game Thread #2: Pacers vs. Grizzlies

        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
        We're starting the "big" lineup tonight I believe.
        Hopefully that's Lavoy instead of JHill at the four.


        • #5
          Re: 10/29/15 Game Thread #2: Pacers vs. Grizzlies

          Starting the season with a back-to-back. If there is any point in the season when that shouldn't matter it is the second game of the season.


          • #6
            Re: 10/29/15 Game Thread #2: Pacers vs. Grizzlies

            I think Memphis declines this season and misses the playoffs. If Monta and PG shoot better we should win. Hoping to see Myles.


            • #7
              Re: 10/29/15 Game Thread #2: Pacers vs. Grizzlies

              Really hoping for Lavoy to get about 30 minutes tonight. I don't trust any other power forward on the team to guard ZBo.


              • #8
                Re: 10/29/15 Game Thread #2: Pacers vs. Grizzlies


                My guess at the starting 5.


                • #9
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                  • #10
                    Re: 10/29/15 Game Thread #2: Pacers vs. Grizzlies

                    Originally posted by Strummer View Post

                    Man, why? Lavoy seems like he would be much more effective.
                    "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.


                    • #11
                      Re: 10/29/15 Game Thread #2: Pacers vs. Grizzlies

                      Cant wait to see CJ Miles guard Z Bo
                      "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


                      • #12
                        Re: 10/29/15 Game Thread #2: Pacers vs. Grizzlies

                        Assume that means he's playing tonight

                        Nevermind, he posted that yesterday and didn't play any
                        Last edited by Cactus Jax; 10-29-2015, 04:31 PM.
                        "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

                        ----------------- Reggie Miller


                        • #13
                          Re: 10/29/15 Game Thread #2: Pacers vs. Grizzlies

                          Obviously I'd prefer Lavoy to start but I don't think JH will be as horrendous at the 4 than he was at the 5..

                          Change is neither good or bad, it simply is.


                          • #14
                            Re: 10/29/15 Game Thread #2: Pacers vs. Grizzlies

                            Lets see how "going big" looks this season.


                            • #15
                              Re: 10/29/15 Game Thread #2: Pacers vs. Grizzlies

                              Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                              Starting the season with a back-to-back. If there is any point in the season when that shouldn't matter it is the second game of the season.
                              Schedule loss, calling it now.