The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
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Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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Pacers Knock Out game: Round 4

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  • Pacers Knock Out game: Round 4

    He's a wait, he's gone.

    Sorry David West but due to a combination of lack of time here and in some cases the way he left, Mr. West has left the building.

    I'll be blunt, starting the game I think that this is somewhat of an upset. But not totally because of his lack of time on the team.

    Either way, we are starting to approach some sacred cows. This should be fun.

    Round 4.

    Rik Smits
    Dale Davis
    Jermaine O'Neal
    Paul George
    Danny Granger
    Mark Jackson

    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

  • #2
    Re: Pacers Knock Out game: Round 4

    JO should have already been gone. I'm going to keep voting for him until he is off the list.

    Over rated...over paid.


    • #3
      Re: Pacers Knock Out game: Round 4

      I went with Mark Jackson


      • #4
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        So stupid if JO is voted out.


        • #5
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          Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
          So stupid if JO is voted out.


          • #6
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            Nice to see JO is still unfairly taking the blame for a disastrous situation that he didn't control.


            • #7
              Re: Pacers Knock Out game: Round 4

              This is a tough one. My initial reaction was Jackson but it's tough to disagree his impact on those mid-late 90's squads clearly they lost something without him during the year of shame.

              Based on team success alone during their stretches Danny might take the bullet here but that's also unfair because of injuries, though JO suffered much of the same fate. Interesting choice.


              • #8
                Re: Pacers Knock Out game: Round 4

                I voted Dale Davis, every other person on that list were better players for the Pacers
                Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel


                • #9
                  Re: Pacers Knock Out game: Round 4

                  Why vote for JO? Because it's too damn hard to vote for one of the other five. Yes Peck, all five are sacred to me.

                  I'm sure DD will be going soon. But, just to continue a conversation from the last round, I'd like to mention a few things about Dale that some seem to forget. He is one of the few players that justify throwing statistics completely out the window. Consider the following:
                  - You absolutely have to have a rebound in the last couple of minutes, Dale was our man.
                  - Protect the rim and the paint, Dale was our man.
                  - Give John Starks some pay back after a rough foul or dirty play on Reggie, Dale was our man.
                  - Need a bone-jarring screen under the basket to help Reggie break free, Dale was our man.
                  - Need to intimidate an opponent, just let Dale give him his old stink-eye stare.

                  Without Dale, the 90s would have been far less enjoyable for all of us who call ourselves Pacers fans.

                  Dale's livelihood was never bagging statistics. His purpose was to anchor our defense and to use any means possible to facilitate his teammates on offense. He did that better than most. So eventually, he will be voted out. All I ask is that when his time comes, do so respectfully. If you happen to have a tear in your eye, that would help, too.


                  • #10
                    Re: Pacers Knock Out game: Round 4

                    I actually think I have to go Dale here as painful as it is to say.


                    • #11
                      Re: Pacers Knock Out game: Round 4

                      Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                      Because he was great while he was here. Finished 3rd in the 04 MVP voting, was the best player on a team that won 60 games and went to the Conference Finals, made 6 All-Star games and 3 All-NBA teams. In 02-03 he finished 20th in PPG, 4th in RPG, and 7th in BPG. He had one of the best PERs and WSs that season as well. That was the start of his run of good seasons too. In 03-04, he had way too much pressure on him and he still performed great. He carried that team to a 60 win season. He did the same thing when he got back from his ridiculous suspension after the Brawl. He led the league in usage % and helped get that team, that should have collapsed completely, to the 2nd round. Yeah, he declined in his last year here and he suffered from injuries, but that doesn't change that he earned his huge contract and was an incredible player while he was here. He had nothing to do with the off-the-court problems. He didn't do anything wrong in the brawl. Pacers fans have completely taken for granted having a player like JO here because he is associated with a dark time for the franchise.

                      It sucks that he couldn't shoot 50% in 03-04 when he was the only guy scoring consistently for that team. We can blast him for whatever lack of defense we want to claim, but he was a part of that incredible defense that Artest did not create by himself.


                      • #12
                        Re: Pacers Knock Out game: Round 4

                        I give up.

                        The irrational JO-hating is never going to stop.

                        I hope he gets his jersey retired soon.
                        Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                        Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                        Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                        Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                        And life itself, rushing over me
                        Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                        Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


                        • #13
                          Re: Pacers Knock Out game: Round 4

                          Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
                          I give up.

                          The irrational JO-hating is never going to stop.

                          I hope he gets his jersey retired soon.
                          I'm sure that his jersey is already retired. It's probably hanging in JO's den as we speak.


                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
                            I give up.

                            The irrational JO-hating is never going to stop.

                            I hope he gets his jersey retired soon.
                            One of the few times I've ever 100% agreed with you. I don't like to become attached to players because they come and go and I root for the team above all, but JO is one of the few guys who I really loved on and off the court. I'm frustrated that we can brush over his All-NBA seasons because he wasn't perfect and didn't play 82 games a year.


                            • #15
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                              The reason I voted for JO is that my perspective of him was that he was more about himself and getting his than any of the other remaining players. I appreciated what he helped the Pacers accomplish, but he just wasn't a player nor a personality that I could identify with. I appreciated the other players in ways that I could not with JO.