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Rodney Stuckey signs with Pacers

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  • Re: Rodney Stuckey signs with Pacers

    When Hibbert was traded: "Ugh why there is no one to even sign with that cap space."
    When the team uses about half of that cap space on a combo guard: "Why?! We wasted that cap space!"

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    • Re: Rodney Stuckey signs with Pacers

      Originally posted by tadscout View Post
      What young guy that has potential is left that isn't a RFA is left??? This isn't NBA2K.
      Biyombo, Austin Rivers, John Jenkins, Greg Smith, Jordan Hamilton, Jeff Taylor, Justin Holliday, crap even Epke Udoh... there are lots of guys that are still young and have potential, some more than others, but with the way that the NBA is going today and what Bird is trying to do, these guys fit the profile.
      Why so SERIOUS

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      • Re: Rodney Stuckey signs with Pacers

        Originally posted by funk31 View Post
        Why he is horrible. Short, slow, can't shoot from outside, no passing skills no no no no no
        Can't shoot? When I looked up the available FA PF's, the main thing they had posted about Bass is that he can nail the mid range jumper.

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        • Re: Rodney Stuckey signs with Pacers

          You have to add couple of minimum salaries though. Roster has never less than 12 salaries even if there exists no players for those last spots.

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          • Re: Rodney Stuckey signs with Pacers

            Let's get Jeremy Lin too and throw out a five guard lineup.

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            • Re: Rodney Stuckey signs with Pacers

              Whatever...just go for Hansbrough! We're doomed anyway

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              • Re: Rodney Stuckey signs with Pacers

                Originally posted by Peck View Post
                This signing literally makes no sense to me at all, none.

                Are we really going to try and make Paul George a 4? Sigh....

                Backup guard (either one) was not our highest priority.

                I guess I'll just have faith that there is some trade in the mix for some quality in the front court because if the true intention is to use Solomon Hill & Paul George at the 4 a lot I can't say I'm overly thrilled and while I certainly thought it was time to move on from Roy the thought of giving him away just to use cap space to sign Rodney Stucky and other end of the bench players doesn't thrill me.

                But for certain this off season has been active and I applaud Bird for not just doing the safe thing and accepting another year with the same old same old. If anybody can get something out of this group it is Frank so I will have faith in him.

                I am not buying PG at the PF hype from Bird. Maybe PG plays some minutes at the position but not like some are reading into. Who knows, but my hunch is Bird just wanted Roy to opt-out.

                Birds not a fool. And no matter how much the lg is evolving small my hunch is Birds still a traditionalist at heart. Hence the reason a big was taken over payne/booker in the draft. The free agency landscape for PF/C this offseason and next is weak. Wings / Gaurds are certainly more accessible via FA than are the bigs.

                Bird will continue to try and stockpile bigs via draft or trade. Stuckey at 7 per with the cap escalation is solid value. It looks like he may be playing backup pg this season.

                Believe in the end Pacers will still play a very traditional style of basketball. Turner is simply replacing Roy - which some could assert may become an upgrade faster than realize. Way too early to say but Turner did impress in just one summer lg game. Kid definitely has size and athleticsm.

                I do not believe the dropoff from Roy to Ian is substantial. We have significantly upgraded the SG position. Kept status quo at C. West was on vacation last season, Allen will be an interesting prospect.


                Believe it when I see it I guess is my stance on Birds vision with PG at the 4. Believe its more hype than substance.

                *10-15 minutes a game max every other few games is all PG will see at the PF. I do believe Bird wants PG scoring from the post much more effectively going forward. Have no doubts about that. But defensively. NO. Do not see PG bodying up PF's as the long term vision.

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                • Re: Rodney Stuckey signs with Pacers

                  Originally posted by presto123 View Post
                  Can't shoot? When I looked up the available FA PF's, the main thing they had posted about Bass is that he can nail the mid range jumper.
                  mid range, not far. Maybe around the painted area. Bass is horrible choice ppls

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                  • Re: Rodney Stuckey signs with Pacers

                    Originally posted by Really? View Post
                    Biyombo, Austin Rivers, John Jenkins, Greg Smith, Jordan Hamilton, Jeff Taylor, Justin Holliday, crap even Epke Udoh... there are lots of guys that are still young and have potential, some more than others, but with the way that the NBA is going today and what Bird is trying to do, these guys fit the profile.
                    Biyombo signed with Toronto yesterday.

                    And hell no to Jeff Taylor. Actually, make that HELL NO.
                    "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                    "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                    • Re: Rodney Stuckey signs with Pacers

                      Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                      I wouldn't call Stuckey mediocre, but yes I agree.
                      I think Stuckey is mediocre amongst a very selected group of NBA players. There is a total of some 400 of them... Stuckey is not amongst top 150, nor the worst 150 of those 400. Thus he is mediocre or average if you like that word better...

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                      • Re: Rodney Stuckey signs with Pacers

                        Originally posted by LG33 View Post
                        Let's get Jeremy Lin too and throw out a five guard lineup.


                        It worked for Chris Smoove...
                        https://twitter.com/DrogsNavan

                        Change is neither good or bad, it simply is.

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                        • Re: Rodney Stuckey signs with Pacers

                          I wanted Stuckey but we're spending 85% of our payroll on wings. There wont be enough basketballs to go around. At this point we need to package a wing in a trade for a big man or this is going to end poorly and quickly.
                          Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                          • Re: Rodney Stuckey signs with Pacers

                            The way I'm seeing it, we've ensured ALL of our perimeter minutes can go exclusively to talent: Hill, Ellis, Stuckey, George, and Miles. Three of them are good shooters, the other two are guys who primarily handle the ball, attack the basket at a high level, and like to kick the ball out to shooters. That's a pretty damn solid group IMO. I'm completely fine with it. Vogel's never relied on a traditional point guard to run his offense anyway. He wants everyone sharing, which these guys can and will.

                            Add a guy like Bass or Scola and you have a 'traditional' PF, can go small any time you want with Paul, and you have two 7' guys on the roster that can protect the rim.

                            I think we're in much better shape than others seem to believe. Maybe I'm wrong, and that's fine, but I'm totally cool with this if we sign Bass/Scola/similar to start. That's a solid playoff team. Not a contender. Then again, I never expected us to contend this season.

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                            • Re: Rodney Stuckey signs with Pacers

                              Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                              Biyombo signed with Toronto yesterday.

                              And hell no to Jeff Taylor. Actually, make that HELL NO.
                              Yeah for 2 yr 6 million dollars, we could have did that as well... we didn't try to negotiate, that is a decent value.

                              Granted he may have had to wait until the Roy trade was finalized, but the Pacers have had a good idea Roy would be traded for a few days, so they could have went after him instead of brining back Stuckey.
                              Why so SERIOUS

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                              • Re: Rodney Stuckey signs with Pacers

                                Wow I like stuckey but 7 mil is a bit high no? That's almost as much as George hill makes.

                                I would have been happier using the cap space elsewhere then getting stuckey for the MLE.

                                I'm getting really nervous about our front court now.

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