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Poll: How do you feel about Turner after the draft?

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  • #16
    Re: Poll: How do you feel about Turner after the draft?

    I was back and forth on Turner during the pre-draft process. Having a rim protector who can step out and knock down jump shots at a high rate is a dream within the current NBA. His running gait was a bit of a pause for concern, but the Pacers training staff seemed to have signed off on him.

    It'll be interesting to see him within Summer League. He played out of position within a horrible system at Texas. I don't want to use that as an excuse, and I even like the fact that Turner owned up to the fact that he wasn't good enough during his tenure at Texas.

    I'm intrigued. We don't typically draft guys with potential. I would like to see what our staff could do with him.

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    • #17
      Re: Poll: How do you feel about Turner after the draft?

      I think its a great pick he can play both pf and center, is a natural shot blocker and rebounder. He will show he can shoot the ball very well with range.

      As for trading up to get Winslow do you think Miami was just going to give him to the Pacers? Same thing with the Hornets they want Frank Kaminsky the asking price to get their pick was at least 11 plus a future and perhaps even more. Winslow may turn out to be a star or not. Its not a real positive view but I think Larry Bird made the right move last night

      Ace your comment on the horrible Texas system is right on target, Barnes could recruit but is a poor in game coach. He had Myles Turner a highly regarded 1 and done frosh and still was clueless how to use him, deciding he had 5 bigs he'd give pretty much even playing time too. I think he thought he was Calipari using a platoon system of bigs.
      Last edited by diamonddave00; 06-26-2015, 09:35 AM.

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      • #18
        Re: Poll: How do you feel about Turner after the draft?

        I know nothing about "biomechanics," but its hard not to like the kid in interviews. Chose Texas over UK so his grandparents could attend his games. Favorite thing about being in the NBA is his parents won't have to work.

        I get the concerns about his post game, but he looks like a better finisher around the rim than we have on the roster right now. Pretty shot. I'd love to see a defensive front line of Hibbert and Turner.
        This space for rent.

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        • #19
          Re: Poll: How do you feel about Turner after the draft?

          Since BAMF opted out we might need the guy to start at PF right now.

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          • #20
            Re: Poll: How do you feel about Turner after the draft?

            meh. after being so close to winslow it makes our pick look much worse. just had a gut feeling somehow some way the heat were going to **** us over. sure enough. I love the Legend but his stubborness sometimes can cost us big. I get playing hard and im not a fan of tanking, but there are ways to go about it that make it much less obvious.

            with a week left in the season it was clear we had zero chance at a Banner. Bird all but knew this. Still... playoff revenue etc etc etc...

            Still sucks... we lose out on winslow and the icing is the Heat end up with him which just stings more.


            With that said, not disspointed in the pick of Myles. after reading all the TBird evaluations I did like the idea of Booker. But at the end of the day I believe it came down to best Big available and that was Turner.

            Free Agency seems to be stocked with pg's and wings... moreso than Bigs and it was the deciding factor I went Kaminsky over Payne in PD's mocks. with the west and roy situation, Big was the pacers most pressing need.

            disregarding the Winslow cluster


            Booker, Payne, Turner - Bird clearly wanted a big and not sold on booker and payne as cant miss picks. turner seems like a good kid.

            more disappointed we could not land winslow than I am in taking Turner.

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            • #21
              Re: Poll: How do you feel about Turner after the draft?

              Not the guy I wanted, but hopefully the gazzillions of man hours and analysis that the Pacer scouts and staff spent researching guys has more insight than the 20 min or so I spent reading Tbird's writeups and DX.

              Turner is supposed to have lots of upside, so here's hoping he reaches it.

              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
              I don't know. Seems like he might work out, but there will probably be someone taken after him who turns out to be a better player. What if he turns into a very adequate starting center for the Pacers. Then it was a great pick

              Realistic expectations
              I just wanted to say that I think the Pacers should have drafted that guy, whoever he is, and that he was the guy I really wanted the Pacers to take, whoever it is. So when we look back after the 2019 NBA finals, I can say that I wanted to Pacers to take the successful guy from the 2015 draft all along because I am so smart, whoever it is.

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              • #22
                Re: Poll: How do you feel about Turner after the draft?

                I feel slightly better about it than after the initial selection. However, he's still a project, and it's going to take a few years either way. Would've rather had Payne or Booker at that spot, but at least Bird didn't get to pass on Winslow for Turner or something ludicrous like that.

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                • #23
                  Re: Poll: How do you feel about Turner after the draft?

                  Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                  I certainly like the pick. But c'mon Larry, show us why you have Pritchard as your GM. Trade up 2 *****ing spots for Winslow. Godammit!
                  It takes two to tango. How do you know he didn't try?

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                  • #24
                    Re: Poll: How do you feel about Turner after the draft?

                    Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
                    I just wanted to say that I think the Pacers should have drafted that guy, whoever he is, and that he was the guy I really wanted the Pacers to take, whoever it is. So when we look back after the 2019 NBA finals, I can say that I wanted to Pacers to take the successful guy from the 2015 draft all along because I am so smart, whoever it is.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Poll: How do you feel about Turner after the draft?

                      I pretty much feel the same way about Myles as I did about Roy; good kid, I'll root for him, but I don't think he's a good fit for our team.

                      I will admit that I'm extra bummed because the guy I wanted (Booker) fell to us and we passed. I was expecting it to happen, but still...

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                      • #26
                        Re: Poll: How do you feel about Turner after the draft?

                        Was meh on him before the draft. For as long as it's going to take for him to develop, I think he eventually needs to reach at least an all-star level to make this pick worthwhile. Backup bigs are a dime a dozen. So are backup PGs and SGs, I realize. But at least you know Booker brought legit NBA shooting skills to the table. You knew Payne was a pure PG. I feel like those two would be able to contribute sooner and help the Pacers get better.

                        Of course, I hope I'm wrong.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Poll: How do you feel about Turner after the draft?

                          Here's how I feel about this selection...I heard Larry say you still need a good prototypical 4 or 5 man in the league but not both...he chose a guy that can fit both but probably will be the center, like Bogut was for the Warriors throughout the year. I think he has a lot more potential than Bogut was as a player, if he holds the outside shooting that will be great, and he should be as good or better shot blocker. If he ever gets a post game that would be great but I think that may be somewhat negated now. I think his major goal right now offensively is learning how to pass the ball especially out of potential double teams and catching the ball. He seems more athletic as in can catch potential lobs but he's not DeAndre Jordan in that regard but I think a step up from David and Roy.

                          Prepare in the future, maybe not so much this season but after that, to see a LOT of Paul George at the 4 position, I think right now Larry would envision a line-up of Hill, Miles, PG, Solo, and Turner with a free agent target putting Solo on the bench. Paul Millsap has to look awfully tempting at this point if the money can work for both sides.

                          I would have preferred Payne if I were picking, but Larry wanted to go big and I at least like the pick over Lyles.
                          Last edited by Cactus Jax; 06-26-2015, 12:06 PM.
                          "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

                          ----------------- Reggie Miller

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                          • #28
                            Re: Poll: How do you feel about Turner after the draft?

                            Dislike him, but am supporting him, hope he reaches his potential.
                            Why so SERIOUS

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                            • #29
                              Re: Poll: How do you feel about Turner after the draft?

                              He's not the guy I wanted. But the dude has a really high ceiling if everything pans out. I trust in his character and our staff to get him there, honestly.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Poll: How do you feel about Turner after the draft?

                                he seems to be very well spoken and have a strong family support system. he fits from a character perspective. He was a very high profile recruit that was mis-managed in Texas. I am excited to see what he is in a couple of years with elite coaching. Hey Larry! call Kareem!

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