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Tbird 2015 NBA Draft Analysis #2: Tyus Jones

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    Tbird 2015 NBA Draft Analysis #2: Tyus Jones

    With just over a month to go until draft night 2015, we take an in-depth look at PG Tyus Jones, putting his floor general skills under the microscope. Jones hails from Apple Valley Minnesota, and has long been considered one of the top players in his freshman class from a young age. Jones played for gold medal winning teams under the auspices of USA basketball for the U-16, U-17, and U-18 teams, getting high quality coaching and international experience each summer, along with being in competition with the best players in the world at his age. He continued his winning ways in college, helping lead Duke to the National Championship in his one and only season playing for Coach K. Jones almost single handedly one the championship game for the Blue Devils, scoring 19 points in the 2nd half and picking up the slack for a largely ineffective Jahlil Okafor. Jones was named as the Final Four Most Outstanding Player for his efforts. Simply put, Jones has been a big part of winning, championship level teams his entire life.

    Jones, born on May 10, 1996, just turned 19 years of age and will be one of the youngest players selected on draft night. He measured in at 6'2, 185lbs at the NBA combine, with a 6'5 inch wingspan. That definitely makes him on the smaller end of the scale, but not extremely undersized.....he clearly will have enough size to be a legitimate NBA player. But how does his overall game translate to the highest level? Let's examine that below:

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    Jones is your quintessential floor general point guard. He has no positional flexibility, no other role he can really play....he is a pure point guard. For Duke, he played that role masterfully in what was an ideal use for his skills there on Tobacco Road. Jones averaged 11.8 PPG and 5.6 assists per night, and was extremely careful with the ball, averaging less than 2 turnovers per game. Jones excelled at "doing simple better", making very few careless mistakes and always making the proper basketball play.

    Jones, while he lacks elite athleticism and quickness, plays faster than he measures because the BALL DOESN'T SLOW HIM DOWN. Some players allow the ball to weigh them down, but Jones doesn't. His floor vision is elite, and his anticipation and ability to read defenses while on the move with the ball is top level. Jones is an instinctual offensive player who will be able to play in many different systems offensively, but I think he will excel in the NBA on that end if he plays in an uptempo, spread pick and roll system where he handles the ball a lot and sets up others.

    I love how Jones sees the floor in transition. He doesn't over dribble at all, and he clearly has an idea how to think the game. He would reward the Duke bigs when they ran the floor, look ahead up the sideline when they had an advantage up ahead, and would do a great job of playing time and score situations. He understands the game and the nuances of playing PG offensively.

    Jones is a strong offensively player playing out of the ballscreen. Anything a ballhandler needs to do out of the pick and roll, Jones does it well. He can handle the ball on a string, is patient waiting on the defense to make a mistake, he allows situations to develop at both the screening level and beyond it, and he can make any pass needed.....the lob, the pocket pass, the early short roll pass, the sideline "West Virginia" type pass, the look off, and any other type of delivery a point guard needs to make.

    If needed, Jones can beat you with his jump shot off the ball screen also, as Wisconsin and many other ACC opponents found out this past season. Jones does a really good job making the pull up off the dribble jumper going to his right, as his release is quick and efficient, and his last dribble is hard enough to get his knees flexed and into the shooting motion. Jones wasn't quite as good at that going left, but most players of his size usually do struggle to dribble hard left and then bring the ball back to their right hand to shoot a jumper.

    He also does things a coach loves. Jones is enthusiastic with his teammates, and is a coach on the floor. I like point guards who seem to take the time to understand who they are playing with, both in skills and in temperament. He seemed to have a strong understanding of the Duke system and what was needed from him at the time of the game, and he got stronger as the games went on.....he played his best in big moments in dire circumstances. Jones made big plays that made the difference in winning and losing at the college level and in the younger international levels.

    He plays with alternate pace, innately knowing when to speed up and when to slow the game down. Despite being small he was crafty enough to be a really good post feeder for Duke, as he understood angles and where their guys wanted the ball. And, he can make any pass you want with either hand in traffic. Add to that a guy who rises up in big moments and who was a pretty good perimeter shooter, and you have a really nice offensive player.

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    Jones exceeds his measurables and plays beyond the diagrams offensively for the most part. He will be a player I think that rises up as the process goes on because I am pretty sure coaches will like him more than the scouts will. Jones has, to put it mildly, "sack".....and he has it in abundance. How many 17 year olds do you know have enough guts to text Coach K after a loss, PRIOR TO HIS ARRIVAL ON CAMPUS, to tell him that he'd never let him lose a tourney game like that again? (Coach K got this text from Jones after Duke lost in the NCAA tourney early the year prior).

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    But his measurable do limit him to a degree. His size is ok, I am not worried about that really. But I do worry quite a bit about his lateral quickness, lack of explosion off the ground, and lack of "burst" when trying to get by NBA level athletes.

    Jones will struggle in the NBA more than in college because I think teams will eventually play him as a passer and make him prove he can score in traffic over size.....something which I don't think he can do well enough. He clearly isn't going to jump out of the gym, and he lacks the strength to power through contact. That means he is going to have to be a guy who relies on a floater, teardrop, runner, step back or some other type of high difficulty shot inside the paint. Already, Jones struggled in college with his percentages as a shooter inside the 3 point line, and that problem will increase at this level. Once he gets into the paint getting his shot off will require a lot of creativity on his part.

    In college, Jones would often beat the defenders with the dribble....but he would just beat them BARELY....he'd always be able to get wherever he wanted, but he didn't "blow by" people....he led the country in beating people by a half step or step. Against the elite athletes of the NBA, I think those small gaps he used in college might close more quickly. Now, it is quite possible and even likely that Jones will gain some athleticism and quickness now that basketball is his job, and as he fully gets into peak athletic condition as he ages (remember, he is just 19). But his margin is smaller than some of the athletic freaks you see playing the position today. It is a concern, no question.....moxie and intangibles can take you only so far in the NBA.

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    As good as Jones is as an offensive point guard, as a leader, and as an extension of the coach on the floor, you are constantly going to be dying inside that he isn't a better defender. But he isn't, and that's something that is unlikely to change much at this level.....though depending on the system and who his teammates end up being it can be mitigated.

    At Duke, Jones was asked to really get up and pressure the ball. That is usually (but not every season) the Coach K way, and as the tip of the spear for Duke's pressure man to man, Jones was put in that role. It was one that he did fairly well, but against the better opponents he was beaten quite a bit. Jones simply lacks the quick twitch ability to slide quickly and repeatedly, and teams with good guards attacked him whenever they could. Jones will struggle to keep really good point guards in front of him, plus he lacks the strength to body them and play angles. He is, in my view, going to be a defensive liability in the NBA.

    Now, you can limit his exposure some if he is on the right team with the right coach I think. #1, you have to play a more conservative, less pressure team......his pick up point is going to have to be the 3 point line or so. Your ballscreen defensive scheme is going to have to account for the fact that his one step slide is currently weak and slow, so he will get hung up on the screen more than others will. And it would greatly help if you played him with a strong rim protector behind him whenever you can, and ideally also with a top level wing defender so you can gain back some of the things he gives up. If you had the right kind of personnel defensively where you could hide him some on that end that would help.....maybe if you had a wing you could "crossmatch" him with, so he could avoid guarding the elite point guards out there who would light him up like the 4th of July, the gains your team would make offensively with him in there would be worth it.

    But there are a lot of "ifs" in that last paragraph, and I don't think Jones really strong offensive skills in most cases will be worth the defensive problems he gives you if you are really planning on making him a starter in most cases. He can play big minutes on some teams and really help them, and could even start on a few specific teams around the league I think and be good.....but on most teams, I think what Jones is is a high quality, high character, 15-20 minute a game back up point guard who really helps your 2nd unit offense function, but in the wrong matchup will get exposed defensively.

    Now, as a 2nd unit PG playing under a rookie contract with a winning pedigree and offensive skills that make the machine operate at a high level, he is a valuable piece. I think the team that ends up with him will be very happy they have him, as long as they don't overrate him or ask him to do more than he is capable. Can he guard Westbrook, Paul, Conley, Wall, Curry, etc etc? Hell no. But can he guard a Dellaledova, or a C.J. Watson, or the average 2nd unit guy? I think he can.....and you could get away with him as your starter in certain circumstances.

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    So, what do we have in Tyus Jones?

    I think we have a charismatic, smart, heady point guard with starting NBA offensive skills but who will likely be relegated to a back up guard due to athletic limitations defensively. Still, he is the kind of guard who elevates the players around him and makes everyone look smarter, better, and happier if he is on your team. He can play a role in the NBA, particularly when he is still playing on a rookie deal.

    How could he fit in Indiana? Let's go through the questions, I'll give my opinions and you can decide what you think.

    1. Do we have rim protectors he can play with? YES, at least we do currently.

    2. Do we have an elite wing defender he can play with? YES, Paul George definitely is, and our staff seems to think Solomon Hill is, though I have some doubts about that obviously myself.

    3. Do we need a creative point guard to help our 2nd unit score? YES, and Jones could do that....plus we have no backup point guard at this moment. Though, who would he actually play P/R with if we had him? Maybe that guy isn't on our roster yet.....or maybe we have a current starter who will play off the bench or with the 2nd unit next year in some way.

    4. Could you play him alongside George Hill if you wanted to with the other starters? MAYBE, vs the exact right matchup if you could hide him defensively on somebody.

    5. Is he a high character guy with a good background and winning pedigree? YES

    6. Could he play right away? MAYBE....I think he can clearly offensively, but he might need a year to gain quickness and strength. Ideally you'd have a good veteran backup playing on a 1 year deal, but we don't have a guy like that currently. I personally am willing to roll with him playing 15 minutes a night right away if I am Indiana, because we don't have anyone better and I think he fits in well here with what we are trying to do with playing faster.

    7. Does he have any upside that I am not seeing that adds value? NO....I think he is what he is. A limited but valuable player, only good enough to be a starter on the exact right circumstance but who can be a nice bench player.

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    Ok, so now the question is....at pick #11, is he good enough to be the best player on the board?

    My opinion: I like the person, I like the player, and his fit here with our current personnel, and he clearly fits a need. BUT, I personally like my point guards to be much better defenders than Jones.....so if I am making the pick I am likely going to think strongly about him but ultimately pass. However, I will not be sad nor will I be surprised if he ends up in Indiana on draft night. To me though, his defensive limits bother me just a little bit too much, and he isn't SO GOOD offensively that I am willing to plan around him. Basically, I like Jones, but I don't love him.

    Ultimately, I think that in my view there will be slightly better options on the board. If we were to somehow end up with a later pick by trading down or acquiring another pick in the mid to late teens though, then I think Jones would make some sense as a fall back option.

    In the end of the day, I believe Jones ends up being picked right behind us somewhere. I think he fits well with the Suns at pick #13 or the Bucks at #17.

    NBA comparable: Jose Calderon/Pablo Prigioni. Both veteran guys who are strong offensive players, but who struggle mightily on the defensive end.

    As always, the above is just my opinion....feel free to argue!
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    Re: Tbird 2015 NBA Draft Analysis #2: Tyus Jones

    I enjoyed watching him in the tournament, but I highly doubt he is a starting point guard in the NBA. He is tough, but I am not sure he does one thing exceptionally well. This one seems obvious in that he should not be taken at number 11.

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    • #3
      Re: Tbird 2015 NBA Draft Analysis #2: Tyus Jones

      I like him a lot, but not more than guys like Grant or Payne at point guard. I disagree that the Suns or Bucks would be good places for him. Both of those teams are very set at point guard.

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      • #4
        Re: Tbird 2015 NBA Draft Analysis #2: Tyus Jones

        Really appreciate the detailed write-ups.

        As much hype as this kid got up here as a prep player I never loved his game for the pro's. I see way to much D.J. Augustin......

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        • #5
          Re: Tbird 2015 NBA Draft Analysis #2: Tyus Jones

          I really like Tyus Jones... but the physical limitations and defensive questions really hold back his potential, IMO. Career backup/spot starter sounds about right.

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          • #6
            Re: Tbird 2015 NBA Draft Analysis #2: Tyus Jones

            Not a fan of Tyus. As someone mentioned, his lack of ideal speed and athleticism from a pg in today's NBA combined with lacking on the defensive side means a big no from me.
            First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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            • #7
              Re: Tbird 2015 NBA Draft Analysis #2: Tyus Jones

              I don't think we should be drafting a backup pg at #11. If Bird likes him, I wouldn't have a problem with Jones
              Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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              • #8
                Re: Tbird 2015 NBA Draft Analysis #2: Tyus Jones

                Unless he can play off the ball, then I would prefer to pass on any PG
                Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                • #9
                  Re: Tbird 2015 NBA Draft Analysis #2: Tyus Jones

                  Sounded like a very good choice until the NBA comparable of Calderone. Unfortunately, pass.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Tbird 2015 NBA Draft Analysis #2: Tyus Jones

                    I like him a lot, but I like a combo guard like Jerian Grant a lot better.


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                    • #11
                      Re: Tbird 2015 NBA Draft Analysis #2: Tyus Jones

                      I have never watched playing live (I only saw some YouTube videos after reading your analysis) but from what you're saying he sounds like a player that you'd love to pick but not at #11.
                      Originally posted by IrishPacer
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                      • #12
                        Re: Tbird 2015 NBA Draft Analysis #2: Tyus Jones

                        Not interested at #11 as I see it as a waste of the #11 pick. Sounds like Collison and Augustin which neither could play "D". Much better players will be available @ #11.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Tbird 2015 NBA Draft Analysis #2: Tyus Jones

                          I don't want anything to do with him. I know Jones is only a Freshman but I'd take Delon Wright or Grant over him every time.
                          Last edited by Pacersalltheway10; 05-26-2015, 03:35 PM.

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                            Re: Tbird 2015 NBA Draft Analysis #2: Tyus Jones

                            Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                            I like him a lot, but I like a combo guard like Jerian Grant a lot better.
                            I agree. While I don't want the Pacers to pick a pg, I think Grant would be the better option if they did. Even over Payne too.
                            First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                              Re: Tbird 2015 NBA Draft Analysis #2: Tyus Jones

                              Fantastic writeup as always, but just a note, Prigioni is not a terrible defender. He's actually pretty good (especially his rookie year in NYK). In Argentina/Spain his nickname is "the Pest" due to his harassing style. At 37 of course he is a step slower, but even then still a plus defender on the floor

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