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  • #1

    Past Drafts

    Just a look back on some of the drafts. I think we are in great shape!

    2010 Draft:

    Pick Team Player School/Country
    1 WAS John Wall Kentucky

    2 PHI Evan Turner Ohio State

    3 NJN Derrick Favors Georgia Tech

    4 MIN Wesley Johnson Syracuse

    5 SAC DeMarcus Cousins Kentucky

    6 GSW Ekpe Udoh Baylor

    7 DET Greg Monroe Georgetown


    8 LAC Al-Farouq Aminu Wake Forest

    9 UTA Gordon Hayward Butler

    10 IND Paul George Cal State Fresno

    11 NOH Cole Aldrich Kansas

    12 MEM Xavier Henry Kansas

    13 TOR Ed Davis North Carolina

    14 HOU Patrick Patterson Kentucky

    15 MIL Larry Sanders Virginia Commonwealth

    16 MIN Luke Babbitt University of Nevada, Reno

    17 CHI Kevin Seraphin France

    18 OKC Eric Bledsoe Kentucky

    19 BOS Avery Bradley Texas

    20 SAS James Anderson Oklahoma State

    21 OKC Craig Brackins Iowa State

    22 POR Elliot Williams Memphis

    23 MIN Trevor Booker Clemson

    24 ATL Damion James Texas

    25 MEM Dominique Jones South Florida

    26 OKC Quincy Pondexter Washington

    27 NJN Jordan Crawford Xavier

    28 MEM Greivis Vasquez Maryland

    29 ORL Daniel Orton Kentucky

    30 WAS Lazar Hayward Marquette


    2011 Draft:

    Pick Team Player School/Country
    1 CLE Kyrie Irving Duke

    2 MIN Derrick Williams Arizona

    3 UTA Enes Kanter Turkey

    4 CLE Tristan Thompson Texas

    5 TOR Jonas Valanciunas Lithuania

    6 WAS Jan Vesely Czech Republic

    7 SAC Bismack Biyombo Congo

    8 DET Brandon Knight Kentucky

    9 CHA Kemba Walker Connecticut

    10 MIL Jimmer Fredette Brigham Young

    11 GSW Klay Thompson Washington State

    12 UTA Alec Burks Colorado

    13 PHO Markieff Morris Kansas

    14 HOU Marcus Morris Kansas

    15 IND Kawhi Leonard San Diego State

    16 PHI Nikola Vucevic Southern California

    17 NYK Iman Shumpert Georgia Tech

    18 WAS Chris Singleton Florida State

    19 CHA Tobias Harris Tennessee

    20 MIN Donatas Motiejunas Lithuania

    21 POR Nolan Smith Duke University

    22 DEN Kenneth Faried Morehead State

    23 HOU Nikola Mirotic Montenegro

    24 OKC Reggie Jackson Boston College

    25 BOS MarShon Brooks Providence College

    26 DAL Jordan Hamilton Texas

    27 NJN JaJuan Johnson Purdue

    28 CHI Norris Cole Cleveland State

    29 SAS Cory Joseph Texas

    30 CHI Jimmy Butler Marquette


    2012 Draft

    Pick Team Player School / Club
    1 NOH Anthony Davis University of Kentucky

    2 CHA Michael Kidd-Gilchrist University of Kentucky

    3 WAS Bradley Beal University of Florida

    4 CLE Dion Waiters Syracuse University

    5 SAC Thomas Robinson University of Kansas

    6 POR Damian Lillard Weber State University

    7 GSW Harrison Barnes University of North Carolina

    8 TOR Terrence Ross University of Washington

    9 DET Andre Drummond University of Connecticut

    10 NOH Austin Rivers Duke University

    11 POR Meyers Leonard University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

    12 HOU Jeremy Lamb University of Connecticut

    13 PHO Kendall Marshal l University of North Carolina

    14 MIL John Henson University of North Carolina

    15 PHI Maurice Harkless St. John's University

    16 HOU Royce White Iowa State University

    17 DAL Tyler Zeller University of North Carolina

    18 HOU Terrence Jones University of Kentucky

    19 ORL Andrew Nicholson St. Bonaventure University

    20 DEN Evan Fournier Poiters Basket 86 (France)

    21 BOS Jared Sullinger Ohio State University

    22 BOS Fab Melo Syracuse University

    23 ATL John Jenkins Vanderbilt University

    24 CLE Jared Cunningham Oregon State University

    25 MEM Tony Wroten University of Washington

    26 IND Miles Plumlee Duke University

    27 MIA Arnett Moultrie Mississippi State University

    28 OKC Perry Jones Baylor University

    29 CHI Marquis Teague University of Kentucky

    30 GSW Festus Ezeli Vanderbilt University


    2013 Draft:


    1. Cleveland Cavaliers - PF Anthony Bennett, UNLV

    2. Orlando Magic - SG Victor Oladipo, Indiana

    3. Washington Wizards - SF Otto Porter, Georgetown

    4. Charlotte Bobcats - PF Cody Zeller, Indiana

    5. Phoenix Suns - C Alex Len, Maryland

    6. New Orleans Pelicans - C Nerlens Noel, Kentucky [Traded to 76ers]

    7. Sacramento Kings - SG Ben McLemore, Kansas

    8. Detroit Pistons - SG Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Georgia

    9. Minnesota Timberwolves - PG Trey Burke, Michigan [Traded to Utah]

    10. Portland Trail Blazers - PG C.J. McCollum, Lehigh

    11. Philadelphia 76ers - PG Michael Carter-Williams, Syracuse

    12. Oklahoma City Thunder - C Steven Adams, Pittsburgh

    13. Dallas Mavericks - C Kelly Olynyk, Gonzaga ) [Traded to Celtics]

    14. Utah Jazz - SF Shabazz Muhammad, UCLA [Traded to Timberwolves]

    15. Milwaukee Bucks - SF Giannis Adetokunbo, Greece

    16. Boston Celtics - C Lucas Nogueira, Brazil [Traded to Hawks]

    17. Atlanta Hawks - PG Dennis Schroeder, Germany

    18. Atlanta Hawks - PG Shane Larkin, Miami [Traded to Mavericks]

    19. Cleveland Cavaliers - SF Sergey Karasev, Russia

    20. Chicago Bulls - SF Tony Snell, New Mexico

    21. Utah Jazz - C Gorgui Dieng, Louisville [Traded to Timberwolves]

    22. Brooklyn Nets - C, Mason Plumlee, Duke

    23. Indiana Pacers - SF Solomon Hill, Arizona

    24. New York Knicks - SF Tim Hardaway Jr., Michigan

    25. Los Angeles Clippers - SF Reggie Bullock, North Carolina

    26. Minnesota Timberwolves - SF Andre Roberson, Colorado [Traded to Oklahoma City via Golden State and Houston]

    27. Denver Nuggets - C Rudy Gobert, France [Traded to Utah]

    28. San Antonio Spurs - F Livio Jean-Charles, France

    29. Oklahoma City Thunder -PG Archie Goodwin, Kentucky (Full coverage) [Traded to Phoenix via Golden State]

    30. Phoenix Suns - G Nemanja Nedovic, Serbia


    2014 Draft:



    1
    Andrew Wiggins
    Ht/Wt:6' 8"/200 lbs
    Position:SG/SF
    Drafted From:Kansas
    Class:Freshman


    2
    Jabari Parker
    Ht/Wt:6' 8"/241 lbs
    Position:PF
    Drafted Fromuke
    Class:Freshman


    3
    Joel Embiid
    Ht/Wt:7' 0"/240 lbs
    Position:C
    Drafted From:Kansas
    Class:Freshman


    4
    Aaron Gordon
    Ht/Wt:6' 9"/220 lbs
    Position:PF
    Drafted From:Arizona
    Class:Freshman


    5
    Dante Exum
    Ht/Wt:6' 6"/196 lbs
    Position:PG/SG
    Drafted From:Australian
    Class:International


    6
    Marcus Smart
    Ht/Wt:6' 4"/220 lbs
    Position:PG
    Drafted From:Oklahoma St.
    Class:Sophomore


    7
    Julius Randle
    Ht/Wt:6' 9"/250 lbs
    Position:PF
    Drafted From:Kentucky
    Class:Freshman


    8
    Nik Stauskas
    Ht/Wt:6' 6"/205 lbs
    Position:SG/SF
    Drafted From:Michigan
    Class:Sophomore


    9 *
    Noah Vonleh
    Ht/Wt:6'10"/242 lbs
    Position:PF/C
    Drafted From:Indiana
    Class:Freshman


    10 *
    Elfrid Payton
    Ht/Wt:6' 3"/170 lbs
    Position:PG
    Drafted From:Louisianna Lafayette
    Class:Junior


    11
    Doug McDermott
    Ht/Wt:6' 8"/223 lbs
    Position:SF/PF
    Drafted From:Creighton
    Class:Senior


    12 *
    Dario Saric
    Ht/Wt:6'10"/223 lbs
    Position:SF/PF
    Drafted From:Croatia
    Class:International


    13
    Zach LaVine
    Ht/Wt:6' 5"/180 lbs
    Position:PG/SG
    Drafted From:UCLA
    Class:Freshman


    14
    TJ Warren
    Ht/Wt:6' 8"/233 lbs
    Position:SF
    Drafted From:NC State
    Class:Sophomore


    15
    Adreian Payne
    Ht/Wt:6'10"/225 lbs
    Position:PF
    Drafted From:Michigan St.
    Class:Junior


    16 *
    Jusuf Nurkic
    Ht/Wt:6'11"/280 lbs
    Position:C
    Drafted From:Bosnia
    Class:International


    17 *
    James Young
    Ht/Wt:6' 7"/200 lbs
    Position:SF
    Drafted From:Kentucky
    Class:Freshman


    18 *
    Tyler Ennis
    Ht/Wt:6' 2"/180 lbs
    Position:PG
    Drafted From:Syracuse
    Class:Freshman


    19 *
    Gary Harris
    Ht/Wt:6' 4"/210 lbs
    Position:SG
    Drafted From:Michigan St.
    Class:Sophomore


    20
    Bruno Caboclo
    Ht/Wt:6' 9"/205 lbs
    Position:SF/PF
    Drafted From:Brazil
    Class:International


    21 *
    Mitch McGary
    Ht/Wt:6'10"/260 lbs
    Position:PF/C
    Drafted From:Michigan
    Class:Sophomore


    22
    Jordan Adams
    Ht/Wt:6' 5"/220 lbs
    Position:SG
    Drafted From:UCLA
    Class:Sophomore


    23 *
    Rodney Hood
    Ht/Wt:6' 8"/204 lbs
    Position:SG/SF
    Drafted Fromuke
    Class:Sophomore


    24 *
    Shabazz Napier
    Ht/Wt:6' 0"/170 lbs
    Position:PG
    Drafted From:Connecticut
    Class:Senior


    25
    Clint Capela
    Ht/Wt:6' 11"/210 lbs
    Position:PF
    Drafted From:Switzerland
    Class:International


    26
    PJ Hairston
    Ht/Wt:6' 5"/200 lbs
    Position:SG
    Drafted From:Texas
    Class:NBADL


    27 *
    Bogdan Bogdanovic
    Ht/Wt:6 '6"/200 lbs
    Position:SG
    Drafted From:Serbia
    Class:International


    28
    CJ Wilcox
    Ht/Wt:6' 5"/190 lbs
    Position:SG
    Drafted From:Washington
    Class:Senior


    29
    Josh Huestis
    Ht/Wt:6' 7"/213 lbs
    Position:SF
    Drafted From:Stanford
    Class:Senior


    30
    Kyle Anderson
    Ht/Wt:6' 9"/235 lbs
    Position:SF/PF
    Drafted From:UCLA
    Class:Sophomore
    Last edited by JimmyJames; 05-16-2015, 11:50 PM.


    "Pacers will win 50 games this season" 07-16-2015
    "Ian will average 10-10 this season" 10-21-15
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  • #2
    Re: Past Drafts

    remember when Miami drafting Shabazz was going to keep Lebron there?

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    • #3
      Re: Past Drafts

      Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
      remember when Miami drafting Shabazz was going to keep Lebron there?
      Lmao. Then it was a big deal that Shabazz stopped following Lebron on Twitter.


      "Pacers will win 50 games this season" 07-16-2015
      "Ian will average 10-10 this season" 10-21-15

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      • #4
        Re: Past Drafts

        I went back ten years to the 05' draft earlier today, and looked at all the subsequent drafts. It appears to me out of the top 20 players drafted there is usually on average only about five-seven players that amount to anything. Maybe a franchise player, two or three all stars, and two or three other starters. Some years are golden and other years suck.
        Last edited by Will Galen; 05-16-2015, 11:52 PM.

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        • #5
          Re: Past Drafts

          Yea it just goes to show that draft position only helps get the player you want. But it's hard to say how that player will work out. Looking at the past drafts makes me feel good about the 11th pick.


          "Pacers will win 50 games this season" 07-16-2015
          "Ian will average 10-10 this season" 10-21-15

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          • #6
            Re: Past Drafts

            It is funny to look back at those drafts, and remember how much hype there was around so many of those players. Most of whom wound up falling far short of the hype.

            Not the fault of the players. Just that pundits and posters could use a history lesson before making proclamations about players they think are of the "can't miss" category.

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            • #7
              Re: Past Drafts

              Originally posted by Tom White View Post
              It is funny to look back at those drafts, and remember how much hype there was around so many of those players. Most of whom wound up falling far short of the hype.

              Not the fault of the players. Just that pundits and posters could use a history lesson before making proclamations about players they think are of the "can't miss" category.

              Darko Milicic drafted #2 by Dumars in the 03 draft while passing on Camelo, Bosh, and Wade has to be one of the all time biggest draft blunders,

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              • #8
                Re: Past Drafts

                I'm confident Bird will draft a good player. All the overhyped players, that typically bust, will be drafted in the top ten. Someone good, that should be drafted in the top 10, will fall to us at #11.
                Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                • #9
                  Re: Past Drafts

                  Jimmer Fredette was picked one spot before Klay Thompson. Ouch
                  Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                  • #10
                    Re: Past Drafts

                    I am sure we all remember when Ekpe Udoh was the future of the Pacers PF position.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Past Drafts

                      Originally posted by idioteque View Post
                      I am sure we all remember when Ekpe Udoh was the future of the Pacers PF position.
                      I do. I think there might have even been a thread about how everyone wanted him drafted on the Pacers. Udoh is a big time bust
                      Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                      • #12
                        Re: Past Drafts

                        The more I think about 2009 and 2012 drafts were major blunders. The PGs passed on in 2009 and passing on Draymond Green in 2012 with a player that they could have gotten in 2nd round.
                        Last edited by eldubious; 05-19-2015, 08:20 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Past Drafts

                          Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                          I do. I think there might have even been a thread about how everyone wanted him drafted on the Pacers. Udoh is a big time bust

                          Yep, and I was one of them who thought he'd be a good player. SMH

                          Then I thought the Pacers should have gone after Mozgov when he was with Denver when others thought he wasn't much of anything. AND now he's starting for a ECF team.

                          Win a few, lose a few, and just hope to break even on the rest.
                          Last edited by Justin Tyme; 05-20-2015, 12:48 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Past Drafts

                            It always strokes (strikes) me when looking at a list like this just how many players drafted in the top 10 don't make it.

                            And so many times you hear or read comments from the experts along the lines of well such and such a team can't go wrong with the 3rd pick, they will have their choice of several good players to choose from. Then 3 or 4 year or less later you look at a list, and wow, the 4th player selected is out of the league and the 10 player is an allstar. Sure there is some luck involved, but there is often a huge difference between players selected right next to each other in order. But that is never mentioned before the draft. Every player is going to be good, ever player is going to reach their potential.
                            Last edited by Unclebuck; 05-20-2015, 03:31 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Past Drafts

                              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                              It always strokes me
                              That explains a lot about you, UB...
                              BillS

                              A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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