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    2/20/15 Game Thread #55: Pacers vs. Sixers

    PHILADELPHIA 86ers


    -VS-


    Game Time Start: 7:00 PM EST
    Where: Wells Fargo Center, Philadelphia, PA
    Officials: M. Callahan, B. Adams, E. Roe

    Media Notes: Indiana Notes, Philadelphia Notes
    Television: FOX Sports Indiana / Comcast SportsNet
    Radio: WFNI 1070 AM, 107.5 FM / WPEN 97.5 FM
    NBA Feeds:

    REMINDER: Per PD policy, please do not share a link to, describe how to search for, request a link to, or request a PM about streaming video of a NBA game that is not coming directly through the NBA. Not even in a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean" round-about sort of way. Thank you
    21-33
    Away: 10-19
    East: 14-16
    12-41
    Home: 7-19
    East: 8-23
    Feb 22
    Feb 24
    Feb 27
    Mar 01
    6:00pm
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    7:00pm
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    HIBBERT
    WEST
    MILES
    HILL
    HILL
    WHO
    THE
    ****
    EVEN
    CARES


    PACERS
    Paul George - Fractured Right Tibia/Fibula (out)

    SIXERS
    Joel Embiid - Oliver Miller conditioning plan (out)
    Andrei Kirilenko - Vision Quest (not with team)
    Jason Richardson - Last game played January 18, 2013 (out)
    Tony Wroten - ACL (out)



    Albert Burneko: 76ers Are Run By A Ridiculous TED-Humping Moron

    One startling scene serves as the crux of ESPN writer Pablo Torre's very good magazine
    feature     about the braintrust of the Philadelphia 76ers. In it, the general manager of a rival
    Eastern Conference team calls together a motley assembly of coaches, scouts, media relations
    experts, retired spies, and straight-up nefarious criminal underworld figures in a dim corner of
    an anonymous downtown parking garage. The mood is grim and desperate.

    "We must learn how they do it," he whispers, referring to the 76ers, winners of 31 of their last
    135 games. "We must unlock their secrets. Stop at nothing. We must crack their code or
    perish." He hands out thick manila envelopes filled with grainy black-and-white surveillance
    photos, clandestine recording devices, and pistol flash suppressors; then, crushable cyanide
    suicide capsules stashed safely in their false molars, he and his operatives commence their
    operation. Their professional survival and the fate of the NBA hinge on its outcome.

    This sinister gathering never appears in the actual text of Torre's article, because it has never
    happened in real life. By all indications, though, it's pretty much playing on a loop in the movie
    theater inside Sam Hinkie's skull. Philadelphia's general manager and president of basketball
    operations is a man so convinced that he's fighting—and winning—a shadow war against the
    rest of the NBA that he won't even talk to Pablo Torre about how he got his job lest his hungry
    competitors find in the anecdote some exploitable opening. ("Oh man, lemme tell you Pablo, I
    was so nervous, I tripped over my shoelace and almost crushed my enchanted, Milton
    Friedman-shaped keychain fob, which glows green whenever I'm in the presence of an
    available second-round draft slot.") The movie theater is huge and empty and this paranoid,
    masturbatory fantasy is the only thing echoing around in it. Sam Hinkie is a moron and a fraud.

    Under Hinkie, the 76ers have invested deeply in presenting themselves as an operation at the
    cutting edge of technological, analytical, and econometric innovation in sports. Their staff looks
    like what would happen if FiveThirtyEight and Palantir Technologies ****ed and gave birth to
    an org chart—all MIT and Stanford wonks, a former Navy SEAL who "teaches team-building
    part-time," some dude with a Ph.D. in cognitive and neural systems—and their commitment
    to internal data gathering is downright fetishistic. They make their players wear motion-tracking
    GPS devices! They record their free-throw percentages ... during practices! They track and
    analyze their hydration and sleep patterns! The idea here being, Here is the serious-minded,
    sophisticated, techno-messianic NBA front office of the future, unlocking and deploying never-
    before-seen subtleties and optimizations in its flawlessly rational success-maximization process.

    This is hilarious! At every turn, the gap between Hinkie and the Sixers' self-presentation, over
    here, and observable reality, over there, yawns like the ******* Grand Canyon. Consider the
    following passage from Torre's article, about Hinkie's aptitude and passion for talent evaluation:
    Morey, though, came to believe that evaluation was Hinkie's greatest
    skill. "He watches more basketball than anyone I know," the Rockets'
    GM says. "And he was on the road constantly." Hinkie insisted on
    quizzing team managers and van drivers in an effort to gather data on
    a college kid. He enthusiastically volunteered to visit one-prospect
    gyms from Eastern Washington to Istanbul.

    Verily, here is a John Forbes Nash of player scouting. Obsessive and unconventional! Digging
    deeper! Leaving no detail, no matter how minor-seeming, uninterrogated! ("Lemme ask you:
    How does he handle himself in a van?" "He likes to draw a dick and balls in the window
    condensation." "Mmm, yes, interesting.") Truly, the amateur draft's inefficiencies and hidden
    gems are laid bare under the gimlet-eyed gaze of this relentless genius.

    Now consider the real world, where in the two drafts Hinkie has overseen since assuming
    stewardship of Philly's basketball operations, he's come away with Nerlens Noel, Joel Embiid,
    Michael Carter-Williams, and an assortment of international men of mystery, most of the
    latter of whom will never so much as appear in a Sixers team photo. Noel and Embiid were
    both presumptive first overall picks who slid in the draft because of leg injuries; Carter-
    Williams was a no-brainer at 11th, especially for a team that was in the process of trading
    young, All-Star point guard Jrue Holiday for the rights to Noel. The only thing unusual about
    any of it is that Noel and Embiid were drafted at least in part for their short-term inability to
    stop the team from sucking raccoon *** on the court.

    Virtually any NBA personnel honcho could use a young All-Star and high draft picks in
    successive drafts to get a pair of sliding blue-chip prospects with injury and NBA-readiness
    concerns, a well-regarded but unexceptional player at the NBA's deepest position, and
    nothing of note from the later parts of the draft. Watching 50,000 hours of game-tape,
    interrogating a lineup of pizza deliverymen and toll-booth operators, and flipping around
    second-round picks like they were Magic: The Gathering cards in order to produce this
    outcome does not make Sam Hinkie a talent-evaluation savant; it makes him a ****ing
    dunce. Both a smart person and a stupid one will pick up a $20 bill off the sidewalk; the
    difference between them is that the stupid one spends two hours researching international
    exchange rates and the ergonomic efficiency of bending over before he does it.

    To wit: No one disputes that Philadelphia's on-court goal, this season, has been to lose as
    many games as they can without embarrassing the NBA thoroughly enough to force a
    rejiggering of the draft lottery system. To accomplish this, Hinkie has monkeyed around
    ceaselessly, trading players for flotsam and flotsam for assets and assets for other assets
    until his roster looks like nothing so much as a bad fish-out-of-water comedy in which a
    judge sentences Michael Carter-Williams and Nerlens Noel to donate their play to a sad-
    sack vocational school's lovably terrible basketball squad. To placate fans, the Sixers have
    lowered and frozen ticket prices and worked the "We Suck ... But We Play Hard!" angle as
    hard as an early-days WNBA team. But that isn't enough—they want the players to not just
    stumble through a miserable, season-long humiliation but to believe they're doing so for
    the greater glory of Philadelphia basketball! Hell, they took their sad, bad players on a field
    trip for the sole purpose of indoctrinating them in this nonsense! From Torre's article:
    Brown is fond of bringing his entire team on field trips, like the one to
    a University of Pennsylvania lecture hall in October. There, the Sixers
    met MacArthur-winning psychologist Angela Lee Duckworth, whose
    TED Talk on grit—which she defines as "passion and perseverance for
    very long-term goals"—had touched a coach tasked with alchemizing
    failure into development.

    Oh God. Oh God. Can you ****ing imagine? They made their players sit through a
    ******* TED Talk about grit. Grit! "You see, guys, all this losing—it's actually cool and
    good! Can't you feel yourselves adding Grit points to your attribute loadout?"

    It's a process, Hinkie and his acolytes and apologists want you to understand, subtle
    and intricate and sophisticated. Trust the process. We drew it up on whiteboards, like
    visionary developers...CONTINUE READING DEADSPIN


    Pacers
    Candace Buckner @CandaceDBuckner
    Jared Wade @8pts9secs
    Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s
    Tom Lewis @indycornrows
    Ian Levy @HickoryHigh
    Whitney @its_whitney

    Sixers
    Keith Pompey @PompeyOnSixers
    Michael Levin @Michael_Levin
    Dei Lynam @dlynamCSN
    Tom Sunnergren @tsunnergren
    Philadunkia @philadunkia
    Enrico Campitelli Jr. @The700Level
    This is the darkest timeline.
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  • #2
    Re: 2/20/15 Game Thread #55: Pacers vs. Sixers

    Great projected starting line ups!

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    • #3
      Re: 2/20/15 Game Thread #55: Pacers vs. Sixers

      Yay!!! A game!!!!!!

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      • #4
        Re: 2/20/15 Game Thread #55: Pacers vs. Sixers

        I can only assume that Albert Burneko is a disgruntled ticket rep for the 76ers.


        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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        • #5
          Re: 2/20/15 Game Thread #55: Pacers vs. Sixers

          Love it hahahaha
          Time for a new sig.

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          • #6
            Re: 2/20/15 Game Thread #55: Pacers vs. Sixers

            Originally posted by Peck View Post
            I can only assume that Albert Burneko is a disgruntled ticket rep for the 76ers.
            Disgruntled? I thought FO employees of a tanking franchise were supposed to be giddy with counting the money they'll be making when the team makes its inevitable multiple championship runs.
            BillS

            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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            • #7
              Re: 2/20/15 Game Thread #55: Pacers vs. Sixers

              Henderson, Evans, Cheaney, G Graham, Guyton?

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              • #8
                Re: 2/20/15 Game Thread #55: Pacers vs. Sixers

                i don't even know a single player of sixers lineup.

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                • #9
                  Re: 2/20/15 Game Thread #55: Pacers vs. Sixers


                  https://twitter.com/DrogsNavan

                  Change is neither good or bad, it simply is.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 2/20/15 Game Thread #55: Pacers vs. Sixers

                    Originally posted by TinManJoshua View Post
                    Henderson, Evans, Cheaney, G Graham, Guyton?
                    True story: I spent 5 minutes of my life deciding between Brian Evans and Kirk Haston for the lineup.
                    This is the darkest timeline.

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                    • #11
                      Re: 2/20/15 Game Thread #55: Pacers vs. Sixers

                      Originally posted by IrishPacer View Post

                      It's 14 degrees outside in Philly right now. Are the 76ers trying to take their intentional suck to a new level and forfeiting home games?
                      "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                      "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                      • #12
                        Re: 2/20/15 Game Thread #55: Pacers vs. Sixers

                        Talent or not, this is probably going to be one pissed off 76ers team tonight.

                        They've been one of the NBA's top defensive teams since January. That's pretty impressive. Tonight's game will likely be tough.

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                        • #13
                          Re: 2/20/15 Game Thread #55: Pacers vs. Sixers

                          Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                          Talent or not, this is probably going to be one pissed off 76ers team tonight.

                          They've been one of the NBA's top defensive teams since January. That's pretty impressive. Tonight's game will likely be tough.
                          Be that as it may, there really is no excuse for a loss tonight.

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                          • #14
                            Re: 2/20/15 Game Thread #55: Pacers vs. Sixers

                            Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                            It's 14 degrees outside in Philly right now. Are the 76ers trying to take their intentional suck to a new level and forfeiting home games?
                            The Sixers also make them pay for their own soda.

                            #MoneyBall
                            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                            • #15
                              Re: 2/20/15 Game Thread #55: Pacers vs. Sixers

                              Those pictures from the arena remind me of this:

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjnlDKzx0WI

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