All things Lance Stephenson thread for the next year or so

[Nuntius]

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Yeah, it's not like we outrebounded Memphis.

Wait...

Memphis hasn't done a good job at rebounding the ball this season, to be honest, but I attribute that to a small sample size since they are proven to be pretty good on the boards.

In general, even though the sample size is still small we have done an excellent job on the boards so far. We have only lost 1 rebound battle and this was only because Roy got injured and only played 11 minutes (the 2nd game against the Wizards).

[Eleazar]

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That is a real possibility. We also have lost PG who is a better rebounder than whoever we have playing that position. I think. Roy is getting more rebounds, and Allen is a better rebounder than any of our power forwards from last year.


Not singling out just Lance, but I wonder how many rebounds of his and PG's were tough rebounds that if they didn't get the opponent would have. I don't know

Who is it who keeps bringing up contested rebounds statistics. I think this is your cue to say something here. Might want to compare it to the league average for their respective positions.

[Rogco]

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Who is it who keeps bringing up contested rebounds statistics. I think this is your cue to say something here. Might want to compare it to the league average for their respective positions.

Can't say I understand all the stats, but here's a good link to player tracking stats:

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/rebounding/

I haven't figured out how to sort it by position, so it's a bit unfair to Lance because I have it sorted by total rebounds, and there are no other guards rebounding at his numbers.

[Nuntius]

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I saw Lance's stats for this year for contested rebounds. A disproportionate amount of his rebounds are uncontested compared to other top rebounders in the league. I think it was below 20%.

I think that this is the list that you are talking about -> http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/pla...Season=2013-14

According to this list only 25% of Lance's rebounds and 22.9% of PG's rebounds were contested ones. The rest were uncontested rebounds.

Leaving the easy rebounds to your wings is something that a lot of teams do and we're definitely one of those teams. I'll post some other examples:

Kevin Durant: Only 22.7% of his rebounds were contested.

Carmelo Anthony: Only 29.3% of his rebounds were contested.

Nicolas Batun: Only 24.1% of his rebounds were contested.

LeBron James: Only 25.1% of his rebounds were contested.

Heck, the strategy of having a big name player hang back to grab an easy rebound is not even restricted to wings. Some bigs do that as well:

LaMarcus Aldridge: Only 28.9% of his rebounds were contested.

Carlos Boozer: Only 29.5% of his rebounds were contested.

Do you see that Indiana and Portland have two players that several defensive rebounds? What does that mean? It means that their bigs mainly grab the contested rebounds. Is this proved with the help of the stats presented in that list? Yes.

Robin Lopez: 52.6% of his rebounds were contested.

Roy Hibbert: 50.1% of his rebounds were contested.

Both players posted mediocre rebounding numbers but their team's rebounding wouldn't be as good as it was without them. They are the ones that allowed their wings (and in Robin's case his PF) to grab those easy rebounds. Honestly, last season's Robin Lopez is living proof that a player can improve a team's rebounding even if they don't grab the rebounds themselves.

[doctor-h]

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That is a real possibility. We also have lost PG who is a better rebounder than whoever we have playing that position. I think. Roy is getting more rebounds, and Allen is a better rebounder than any of our power forwards from last year.


Not singling out just Lance, but I wonder how many rebounds of his and PG's were tough rebounds that if they didn't get the opponent would have. I don't know

And I wonder how many of Roy and West's rebounds come uncontested because they are standing with inside position while someone is shooting a free throw. A good rebounder goes and gets the ball. They don't wait and decide who should get it or whether they are taking someone else's. If you can get it go get it its just that simple. Now if you are taking it out of your own players hands that is a different story. There is an awful lot of nitpicking going on here over nothing. Just trying to find fault. When the Pacers had George McGinnis everyone talked about how he could pull the rebound and start the break on his own I think Lance does a very similar thing when he is allowed to. Think back to early in the season last year when he was a pretty much one man fast break and people were loving it.

[Nuntius]

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Who is it who keeps bringing up contested rebounds statistics. I think this is your cue to say something here. Might want to compare it to the league average for their respective positions.

That would be me, right? I was already on it when you posted this

[BRushWithDeath]

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Rebounding is interesting. if Lance is such a great rebounder, then how come the pacers are a better rebounding team this year than last.

Last year the pacers were tied for 6th at .520. This year they are 4th overall at .531 and 2nd best defensive rebounding at .788

Comparing year to year is tough when there is so much roster change, the Pacers especially. But the fact that the rebounding percentage was higher last season on both the offensive and defensive end while Lance sat versus when he played is pretty damning to the case that he's a difference maker as a rebounder.

[Nuntius]

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When the Pacers had George McGinnis everyone talked about how he could pull the rebound and start the break on his own I think Lance does a very similar thing when he is allowed to. Think back to early in the season last year when he was a pretty much one man fast break and people were loving it.

And this is exactly why I had no problem with Lance doing this as long as the team was cool with it. The issue was that apparently the team stopped being cool with it a long time ago.

[BillS]

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Memphis is a bad rebounding team (bottom third of the league) so it's not like that's some huge feat.

Ahh. So we're only showing up as good at rebounding because we play bad teams or good teams that are bad at rebounding.

Who set up this schedule? Why do we keep having to play teams that are bad at everything?

[Trader Joe]

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Maybe it's because we're 8 games in and have played a bunch of mediocre teams?

Memphis, Washington twice, and Atlanta?

Sure it is a small sample but we have always been a good rebounding team under Frank and a consistent has been we are a better rebounding team with Roy on the court than with him off of it. Roy is very good at boxing out. This is actulaly one of the things that hurt us the most last year int he playoffs when we had to sit Roy. The rebounding really sagged.

[Trader Joe]

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A couple interesting notes also on the Pacers is that early, Scola and Allen have been a much more effective rebounding combo than West and Scola were. They are bother over 7 RPG right now. I attribute this to Allen more than anything as Scola's is probably just more minutes but it is more proof of why Scola needs to continue to play. Cope and Solo are both doing pretty well as rebounding wings too. No they aren't Lance and Paul but they are keeping their combined RPG over 10.

Roy's rebounding has also normalized after it fell off a cliff last march

[doctor-h]

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And this is exactly why I had no problem with Lance doing this as long as the team was cool with it. The issue was that apparently the team stopped being cool with it a long time ago.

Who ever came out and said that Lance was stealing their rebounds and they were pissed. Are you referring to Hibbert? If so then that goes back to Hibbert's emotional problems. I say toughen up Nancy and take those rebounds back. I think Lance may have caused issues with some of his teammates but his effort at rebounding should not be the issue. I have no sympathy for a professional basketball player who gets his feelings hurt and complains. Be a man talk to each other and work it out.

[3rdStrike]

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Rebounding is interesting. if Lance is such a great rebounder, then how come the pacers are a better rebounding team this year than last.

Last year the pacers were tied for 6th at .520. This year they are 4th overall at .531 and 2nd best defensive rebounding at .788

Only on this board, where certain guys have disliked Lance Stephenson from the day he was drafted, would we even be having a discussion about whether or not a shooting guard averaging 10.9 rebounds per game 8 games into the season (and who led his team in rebounding last season) is a great rebounder.

[Since86]

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Who ever came out and said that Lance was stealing their rebounds and they were pissed. Are you referring to Hibbert? If so then that goes back to Hibbert's emotional problems. I say toughen up Nancy and take those rebounds back. I think Lance may have caused issues with some of his teammates but his effort at rebounding should not be the issue. I have no sympathy for a professional basketball player who gets his feelings hurt and complains. Be a man talk to each other and work it out.

They tried. They had multiple team meetings, and Lance was clueless about what was going on, and even missed some. I've given you those quotes, at least twice now.

Can you not admit that Lance holds responsibility here, or is he like a toddler that nothing can ever fall on his shoulders?

[3rdStrike]

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Who ever came out and said that Lance was stealing their rebounds and they were pissed. Are you referring to Hibbert? If so then that goes back to Hibbert's emotional problems. I say toughen up Nancy and take those rebounds back. I think Lance may have caused issues with some of his teammates but his effort at rebounding should not be the issue. I have no sympathy for a professional basketball player who gets his feelings hurt and complains. Be a man talk to each other and work it out.

B-b-but he jumped in front of me to take a rebound that I was hoping would gently fall into my arms as if guided by an angel. He STOLE my rebound, I'm gonna tell!