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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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[IKL 16-17] Official Rosters / Protected Lists

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    [IKL 16-17] Official Rosters / Protected Lists

    Below you will find the frozen rosters going into Game 60 (the last contest before the playoffs) of last season. In the IKL, you are free to protect eight players from one year to the next, but you must sacrifice draft selections to keep nine or more.

    The bottom seven teams (Young, Funk, Casa de Verde, Las Vegas, Tasmanian, Baltimore and Canyonville) may sacrifice their 2nd rounder (or a pick of greater value) to protect a 9th player. In the unlikely scenario in which these want to protect additional players, they will need to surrender their 1st and 2nd rounders to protect ten players.

    All other teams must give up their 1st rounder     (or a pick of greater value) to protect a 9th player, both their 1st and 2nd rounders to protect ten players, and so on and so forth.

    Protected lists are due by midnight on Friday, October 15th.

    DC Dreamers     (kuq_e_zi91)

    Andre Drummond
    Boban Marjanovic
    Kawhi Leonard
    Paul Millsap
    Derrick Favors
    James Harden
    Jrue Holiday
    Giannis Antentokounmpo
    David West
    Tony Parker
    Bradley Beal
    Otto Porter

    Indy Cobras    (speed24237 / PD: Speed)

    Nikola Vucevic
    Anthony Davis
    Jared Sullinger
    Marreese Speights
    Ryan Anderson
    Steven Adams
    Stephen Curry
    *Kobe Bryant
    Ramon Sessions
    Patty Mills
    Manu Ginobili
    Tyreke Evans

    Asheville Villains (zallen541)

    DeMarcus Cousins
    Aron Baynes
    Al Horford
    Markieff Morris
    Brandan Wright
    Serge Ibaka
    John Wall
    Ricky Rubio
    Nicolas Batum
    Rodney Hood
    Shelvin Mack
    Ty Lawson

    Groningen Geezers    (pacersgroningen)

    Kristaps Porzingis
    Al Jefferson
    Pau Gasol
    Carmelo Anthony
    Terrence Jones
    Rajon Rondo
    Goran Dragic
    Alec Burks
    Evan Turner
    Avery Bradley
    Kosta Koufos
    Andrea Bargnani

    Portland Hexenbiest (    TheGrimm)

    Jahlil Okafor
    Kyle O’Quinn
    Chris Bosh
    Kenneth Faried
    Ed Davis
    Thaddeus Young
    Jabari Parker
    Dwyane Wade
    Kemba Walker
    Will Barton
    Darren Collison
    Danny Green

    Indianapolis Magic Rats (MagicRat)

    Paul George
    LaMarcus Aldridge
    Cody Zeller
    Meyers Leonard
    Amir Johnson
    Gordon Hayward
    Kyle Lowry
    Mike Conley
    T.J. McConnell
    Patrick Beverley
    Lance Stephenson
    Trey Lyles

    Colonel Zingis (snozzberries)

    Nikola Jokic
    Russell Westbrook
    Damian Lillard
    Nene Hilario
    Richaun Holmes
    Bismack Biyombo
    John Henson
    Taj Gibson
    Robert Covington
    Andre Iguodala
    Shane Larkin
    Roy Hibbert

    Philadelphia Clown Babies     (lg33)

    Gorgui Dieng
    Greg Monroe
    Clint Capela
    David Lee
    Joffrey Lauvergne
    Moe Harkless
    Al-Farouq Aminu
    Reggie Jackson
    Dennis Schroder
    Zach LaVine
    Tyus Jones
    Eric Bledsoe

    Hometown Hotshots    (IndySports / PD: BoomBaby33)

    Victor Oladipo
    Elfrid Payton
    Marcus Thornton
    DeMar DeRozan
    Bobby Portis
    Tobias Harris
    Jordan Hill
    Zaza Pachulia
    Amare Stoudemire
    Ian Mahinmi
    George Hill
    Luis Scola

    Syracuse Ballers (BenR1990)

    Hassan Whiteside
    Robin Lopez
    *Tim Duncan
    Rudy Gay
    Jae Crowder
    Jeff Green
    Jerami Grant
    Chris Paul
    D’Angelo Russell
    Donald Sloan
    Cory Joseph
    Rashad Vaughn

    La Porte Polecats    (SycamoreKen)

    Brook Lopez
    Rudy Gobert
    Kevin Durant
    Danilo Gallinari
    Boris Diaw
    Ish Smith
    Derrick Rose
    Jerian Grant
    Joe Johnson
    P.J. Tucker
    Kyle Korver
    Wes Matthews

    Fairmount Summits    (aamcguy)

    JaVale McGee
    DeAndre Jordan
    Thomas Robinson
    Kelly Olynyk
    Dwight Powell
    Klay Thompson
    Jeremy Lamb
    Mario Chalmers
    JaMychal Green
    Kent Bazemore
    Justise Winslow
    Blake Griffin

    Funk Seoul Brothers     (frostwolf)

    Brandon Knight
    Cameron Payne
    Jimmy Butler
    Jeremy Lin
    Andrew Wiggins
    Jonas Valanciunas
    Cole Aldrich
    Nerlens Noel
    Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
    Josh Smith
    Brandon Bass
    Stanley Johnson

    Pink Panthers    (Pacergeek)

    LeBron James
    Draymond Green
    Jeff Teague
    Arron Afflalo
    Jose Calderon
    Marcus Morris
    Mason Plumlee
    Trevor Ariza
    Tyler Zeller
    Deron Williams
    Justin Anderson
    Joseph Young

    Young Turks    (bellisimo)

    Marcin Gortat
    Alexis Ajinca
    Spencer Hawes
    Kris Humphries
    Kyrie Irving
    Isaiah Thomas
    Michael Carter-Williams
    Norris Cole
    Marvin Williams
    Jon Leuer
    Mirza Teletovic
    Frank Kaminsky

    Las Vegas Venom    (scott_h / PD: Skaut_Ech)

    Enes Kanter
    Tyson Chandler
    Walter Tavares
    Trevor Booker
    Julius Randle
    Lavoy Allen
    Harrison Barnes
    Khris Middleton
    Emmanuel Mudiay
    Jordan Clarkson
    Archie Goodwin
    Kentavious Caldwell-Pope

    Casa de Verde Castle Guards    (diamonddave00)

    Dirk Nowitzki
    Zach Randolph
    Chandler Parsons
    Omri Casspi
    Tristan Thompson
    Timofey Mozgov
    Monta Ellis
    Glenn Robinson III
    Rodney Stuckey
    Marc Gasol
    J.J. Barea
    Lou Williams

    Tasmanian ‘Redbull’ Devils    (redbull_yamaha / PD: GO!!!!!)

    C.J. McCollum
    Langston Galloway
    Kevin Love
    Mario Hezonja
    Noah Vonleh
    Dwight Howard
    Andrew Bogut
    Festus Ezeli
    Miles Plumlee
    T.J. Warren
    Ben McLemore
    Jordan McRae

    Canyonville T’ist’ilal    (drbadd / PD: DrBadd01)

    Alex Len
    Willie Cauley-Stein
    Joakim Noah
    Myles Turner
    Nemanja Bjelica
    Marcus Smart
    Trey Burke
    Dante Exum
    Vasilije Micic
    Tomas Satoransky
    Doug McDermott
    Jamal Crawford

    Baltimore UpsidePotential (bmore_bulldog / PD: bulldog)

    Jusuf Nurkic
    Joel Embiid
    Karl-Anthony Towns
    Donatas Motiejunas
    Nikola Mirotic
    Luol Deng
    Aaron Gordon
    Dario Saric
    Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
    Brandon Jennings
    Devin Booker
    Bruno Caboclo


    Please inform me of any errors or omissions. Thanks!
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    Re: [IKL 16-17] Official Rosters / Protected Lists

    Kristaps Porzingis
    Al Jefferson
    Pau Gasol
    Carmelo Anthony
    Rajon Rondo
    Goran Dragic
    Alec Burks
    Evan Turner
    Trying to enjoy every Pacers game as if it is the last!

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      Re: [IKL 16-17] Official Rosters / Protected Lists

      Indy Cobras

      Keep
      Nikola Vucevic
      Anthony Davis
      Jared Sullinger
      Ryan Anderson
      Steven Adams
      Stephen Curry
      Patty Mills
      Ramon Sessions


      Cut
      Marreese Speights
      *Kobe Bryant
      Manu Ginobili
      Tyreke Evans

      I need a good guard, if anyone is interesting in trades.

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        Re: [IKL 16-17] Official Rosters / Protected Lists

        Pink Panthers keepers:

        Lebron James
        Plumlee
        Draymond
        Teauge
        Justin Anderson

        Is Deron Williams worth keeping? Need help please with strategy
        Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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          Re: [IKL 16-17] Official Rosters / Protected Lists

          Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
          Pink Panthers keepers:

          Lebron James
          Plumlee
          Draymond
          Teauge
          Justin Anderson

          Is Deron Williams worth keeping? Need help please with strategy
          Well, you get to keep 8. Here's my thought process. The guys I'm looking for are:

          1) Guys with high fantasy points per minute (FPPM) and high minutes.
          2a) Guys with high FPPM, but low minutes
          2b) Guys with medium FPPM, but high minutes
          2c) Young guys with upside

          Depending on team makeup/goal and my team's status at that position, I rank 2a/b/c higher or lower. Do you have 96 minutes of better options at G position that makes D-Will expendable? Will you even be able to FILL your 96 minutes if you drop Deron Williams?

          You also have some relatively inefficient players who get bulk minutes. Do you need to keep them to secure their minutes or will you be able to replace them in the draft?
          Time for a new sig.

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            Re: [IKL 16-17] Official Rosters / Protected Lists

            Redbull keeps

            C.J. McCollum
            Kevin Love
            Mario Hezonja
            Noah Vonleh
            Dwight Howard
            Andrew Bogut
            T.J. Warren
            Ben McLemore
            Ya Think Ya Used Enough Dynamite there Butch...

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            • #7
              Re: [IKL 16-17] Official Rosters / Protected Lists

              Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
              Pink Panthers keepers:

              Lebron James
              Plumlee
              Draymond
              Teauge
              Justin Anderson

              Is Deron Williams worth keeping? Need help please with strategy
              In addition to aamcguy's breakdown, keep in mind that fantasy value and real-life value can be quite different.

              Obvious Keepers

              F - LeBron James - 1.40 FPPM / 49.1 FPPG
              F - Draymond Green - 1.28 FPPM / 43.7 FPPG
              G - Jeff Teague - 1.07 FPPM / 29.9 FPPG

              These guys are good players in real life and valuable contributors in fantasy as well.

              Probable Drops

              G - Jose Calderon - 0.73 FPPM / 20.0 FPPG
              GF - Aaron Afflalo - 0.64 FPPM / 21.0 FPPG
              F - Trevor Ariza - 0.75 FPPM / 26.1 FPPG
              F - Marcus Morris - 0.74 FPPM / 26.0 FPPG

              These guys are mostly old (35, 31, 31, and 27 respectively) and mostly useless. While they are decent NBA role players, they're not the kind of guys you want filling out your roster in fantasy basketball. They don't produce at a respectable rate for the minutes they are given. Guys like these can be had in the later rounds of the draft or picked up off the free agent wire.

              The Rest

              CF - Mason Plumlee
              C - Tyler Zeller
              G - Deron Williams
              G - Justin Anderson
              G - Joseph Young

              While this group doesn't inspire much confidence, they all are likely to contribute more efficiency to the Pink Panthers than the previous four players. All but D-Will are younger players who you could realistically hope might getting better as they approach their primes. Deron Williams isn't the greatest player at 0.88 FPPM/28.1 FPPG, but you need depth at the G position more than the F spot, where LeBron and Draymond fill nearly 70 of your 96 F minutes.

              The main reason your team performed so poorly last season was your 1545 unused C minutes. You often had Plumlee slotted as a FC and your only other C-eligible player, Tyler Zeller, simply didn't play enough minutes to cover the full 48. Had you filled those minutes with a replacement-level center, you would have scored at least 1200 more fantasy points over the course of the year.
              Last edited by LG33; 10-09-2016, 10:56 AM.

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                Re: [IKL 16-17] Official Rosters / Protected Lists

                La Porte Polecats(SycamoreKen)

                Protected
                Brook Lopez
                Rudy Gobert
                Kevin Durant
                Danilo Gallinari
                Ish Smith
                Derrick Rose
                Jerian Grant
                Wes Matthews

                Free for the taking:
                Boris Diaw
                Joe Johnson
                PJ Tucker
                Kyle Korver

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                  Re: [IKL 16-17] Official Rosters / Protected Lists

                  Funk Seoul Brothers (frostwolf)

                  Brandon Knight
                  Cameron Payne
                  Jimmy Butler
                  Andrew Wiggins
                  Jonas Valanciunas
                  Nerlens Noel
                  Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
                  Stanley Johnson

                  DROP:

                  Jeremy Lin
                  Brandon Bass
                  Cole Aldrich
                  Josh Smith

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                  • #10
                    Re: [IKL 16-17] Official Rosters / Protected Lists

                    Final Keepers:
                    Lebron
                    Draymond
                    Teague
                    Deron Williams
                    Mason Plumlee
                    Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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