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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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[IKL 15-16] Organizing Thread

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    International Keeper League 2015-16 / Commissioner: LG33

    Join the league!
    Password: magikarp

    Here is the list of teams that competed in 2014-2015. If you are a member of Pacers Digest and see your team listed below, please reply to this post - even if you are not planning on participating in the IKL.

    Asheville Villians - zallen541
    Baltimore UpsidePotential - bmore_bulldog
    Bombay Banshee - joseslaughter
    Canyonville T’ist’ilal - drbadd
    Casa de Verde Cagers - diamonddave00
    DC Dreamers - kuq_e_zi91
    Detroit Dominators - ReluctantReaper
    Funk Seoul Brothers - frostwolf
    Gotham City Knights - iceman44
    Groningen Geezers - pacersgroningen
    Hometown Hotshots - indysports
    Indianapolis Magic Rats - MagicRat
    Indy Cobras - speed24237
    La Porte Polecats - SycamoreKen
    Las Vegas Venom - scott_h
    Philadelphia Clown Babies - lg33
    Portland Hexenbiests - TheGrimm
    Tasmanian ‘Redbull’ Devils - redbull_yamaha
    Vancouver Chinamen - jayyko
    Young Turks - bellisimo

    I would also like to compile a list of primary e-mail addresses for owners. These would only be used to contact you in the case of an extended absence (from the basketball.sports.ws site and from PD) and will not be shared with other league or forum members. To that end, I'd appreciate if you sent this information to me via PM.
    Last edited by LG33; 09-26-2015, 09:57 AM.

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    I'm in and I appreciate your hard work, exciting and well done..
    Ya Think Ya Used Enough Dynamite there Butch...

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    • #3
      Re: [IKL 15-16] Organizing Thread

      Originally posted by LG33 View Post
      Asheville Villians - zallen541
      Baltimore UpsidePotential - bmore_bulldog
      Bombay Banshee - joseslaughter
      Canyonville T’ist’ilal - drbadd
      Casa de Verde Cagers - diamonddave00
      DC Dreamers - kuq_e_zi91
      Detroit Dominators - ReluctantReaper
      Funk Seoul Brothers - frostwolf
      Gotham City Knights - iceman44
      Groningen Geezers - pacersgroningen
      Hometown Hotshots - indysports
      Indianapolis Magic Rats - MagicRat
      Indy Cobras - speed24237
      La Porte Polecats - SycamoreKen
      Las Vegas Venom - scott_h
      Philadelphia Clown Babies - lg33
      Portland Hexenbiests - TheGrimm
      Tasmanian ‘Redbull’ Devils - redbull_yamaha
      Vancouver Chinamen - jayyko
      Young Turks - bellisimo
      Five commitments in as many hours. Keep it up, gents!

      EDIT: Make that six. Canyonville has come to play.
      EDIT 2: The District's finest is also keeping the dream alive. Seven.

      There will be a slew of off-court changes to the league this year, and I'd like to start discussing them once we have our league's roster set.
      Last edited by LG33; 09-25-2015, 10:25 PM.

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        I am in.
        PACER FAN ON STRIKE!!!-The moment the Pacers fire Larry Bird I will cheer for them again.

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        • #5
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          I'm in, LG. Thanks for stepping up to keep this league alive.
          2015 and 2016 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champions - DC Dreamers

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          • #6
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            I'm back as well. Thanks for getting things rolling.

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            • #7
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              Young Turks ready to roll!

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              • #8
                Re: [IKL 15-16] Organizing Thread

                Originally posted by LG33 View Post
                Asheville Villians - zallen541
                Baltimore UpsidePotential - bmore_bulldog
                Bombay Banshee - joseslaughter
                Canyonville T’ist’ilal - drbadd
                Casa de Verde Cagers - diamonddave00

                DC Dreamers - kuq_e_zi91
                Detroit Dominators - ReluctantReaper
                Funk Seoul Brothers - frostwolf
                Gotham City Knights - iceman44
                Groningen Geezers - pacersgroningen
                Hometown Hotshots - indysports
                Indianapolis Magic Rats - MagicRat
                Indy Cobras - speed24237
                La Porte Polecats - SycamoreKen
                Las Vegas Venom - scott_h

                Philadelphia Clown Babies - lg33
                Portland Hexenbiests - TheGrimm
                Tasmanian ‘Redbull’ Devils - redbull_yamaha
                Vancouver Chinamen - jayyko
                Young Turks - bellisimo
                As of 9:00 a.m. this morning, we have nine owners committed to the 2015-2016 season.
                EDIT: The Cobras have made their entrance. Folks, we're halfway there. Ten owners returning so far.
                EDIT 2: This league goes to 11. The Netherlands will be sending their fantasy basketball representatives, the Geezers.

                Join the league!
                Password: magikarp


                Breaking News: The PD Times has learned that one of the founding fathers of the IKL, Jose Slaughter, sold the Bombay Banshee to a new group of investors earlier this week. Sources within the organization say that the Banshee were trying desperately to build a new, state-of-the-art stadium in Bombay, but after the legislature's recent vote against funding any new construction, the team was left with no choice but to seek relocation. While a move and re-branding are expected, the new owners have not responded to any of our inquiries. We will continue to keep you posted as updates on this story become available.

                And now for a little history...

                The International Keeper League (IKL) was launched in '08-09 under the watchful eye of Commissioner Jose Slaughter. There were only 18 teams in the league in the inaugural season; an expansion draft in 2010 would see the addition of two more owners. The IKL's early years were dominated by the Baltimore Bulldogs, a dynasty that captured the first four titles with relative ease (in series that ended 4-3, 4-2, 4-0, 3-0 respectively). The Bulldogs had an incredible depth of talent during this run, and their 2010-2011 squad - led by first-ballot Hall of Famers Tim Duncan and Steve Nash - remains the only team in IKL history to win 50 games in a single season. Prior to the '11-'12 season, Frostwolf was elected commissioner of the nascent league, taking the reins from Venice, who stepped aside after two successful years at the helm. Under Commissioner Frostwolf, the next four years saw great parity across the IKL. Thanks in large part to Baltimore's decision to dismantle its aging dynasty, eight different teams would compete in the next four finals. Parades were held in Fishers ('12-'13), Canyonville ('13-'14), and DC ('14-'15) as each franchise brought home their first championship. Now entering the IKL's eighth season under a new commissioner, the stern and unforgiving LG33, nineteen other owners will work to prevent a DC Dreamers repeat. Hanging banners, after all, is what it's all about.
                Last edited by LG33; 10-01-2015, 07:53 PM.

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                • #9
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                  Suffice to say, I'll be subscribing to the PD Times this season.
                  2015 and 2016 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champions - DC Dreamers

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                  • #10
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                    Still alive!
                    Trying to enjoy every Pacers game as if it is the last!

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                    • #11
                      Re: [IKL 15-16] Organizing Thread

                      If you haven't done so already, please create your team on the basketball.sports.ws website:

                      Join the league!
                      Password: magikarp

                      I want to give returning owners some time to get their teams set up, but I've got a few people on the waiting list to get into the league, so don't wait too long or you might just get booted!

                      Let's make the eighth season of the IKL the best.

                      EDIT: We just got our 12th angry man. Frostwolf, the IKL's longest serving commissioner, has agreed to stay on as a general manager! Praise be.
                      EDIT 2: Oh ho ho, it's Magic (Rat), you know. Never believe it's not so. Lucky #13!
                      EDIT 3: The new season of NBC's Grimm starts Oct. 30. The new season for IKL's TheGrimm (and his Hexenbiests) starts Oct. 27.

                      Now, let's get this sucker filled up before the ABA does! Bragging rights are on the line, gents.
                      Last edited by LG33; 10-01-2015, 12:16 PM.

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                        Re: [IKL 15-16] Organizing Thread

                        I've written below a couple potential changes I've been thinking about implementing as commissioner. These are not set in stone at all, and are very much subject to discussion and debate.

                        1) Board of Governors - I was thinking that a six-member governing body (five team owners plus the commissioner) would make this league a little more like the real NBA. These members would be elected at the beginning of each season by the league at large, with a term-limit of two consecutive seasons. This is not a crackdown on the democratic process, but a means to streamline time-sensitive decisions that affect the league and its members. One of the main tasks of the Board of Governors will be to determine draft order (more on that later)

                        2) Random Drug Tests
                        - Not actual drug tests, of course, but participation checks for team owners. I don't expect daily activity, but, at minimum, you need to log onto the site every couple days - if not to change your team's lineup, certainly to respond to trade inquiries and vote on position changes. Thus, four random drug tests will be administered to each team owner over the course of the regular season. Owners will be expected to respond to a PM (sent through the hoops.sports.ws website) in 80 hours. I don't think that's asking too much. The penalty for missing the first PM will be to forfeit your lowest pick in the next draft. Missing two PMs will be an IKL death sentence.

                        3) League Expansion - This is an issue that crops up every year, and this year is no different. I have several owners on the waiting list to get into the IKL, and only one confirmed drop-out, so it is possible we could add as many as four additional teams this off-season. The question, as always, is whether we actually want to. And if so, how do we go about an expansion draft without sacrificing current team continuity? This is a keeper league, after all, and team owners will want to keep their players.

                        4) Replacement Owners Draft - We will need at least one replacement owner, and, if previous seasons are any indication, there will likely be others. Instead of just assigning each new owner to an abandoned roster, I was thinking that all the assets of the folded franchises - roster players as well as current and future draft picks - could be auctioned off instead. The goal here is to increase the sense of ownership by allowing incoming owners to pick their own squads, even if from a very limited pool of assets.

                        5) Weighted Draft Lottery - I don't plan on ever messing with the first round of the draft, but I am interested in using a weighted lottery system to decide the order of the second round. While final record will factor heavily in calculating a team's lottery odds, other factors, such as injuries, activity level (in the trash talk section of basketball.sports.ws) and competitiveness should and will be factored in. I've wanted to install a lottery for a while, just for the sheer entertainment of it (and for the conspiracies!), but I also think it can be employed to help discourage unwanted practices - tanking foremost among them.

                        Thanks for your continued participation in the IKL!
                        Last edited by LG33; 10-06-2015, 02:02 PM.

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                          On a selfish note, I hope we can get things going. I had my roster set to really make a big jump this season, with next season being the year I can hopefully go off! Just got logged onto the league. For some reason I've had problems for the past week.
                          Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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                          • #14
                            Re: [IKL 15-16] Organizing Thread

                            Originally posted by Skaut_Ech View Post
                            Just got logged onto the league. For some reason I've had problems for the past week.
                            For this very reason, I would advise everyone to set up two accounts with basketball.sports.ws and link them both to your team. I've done that with LG33 (my primary) and lonegranger (my backup). The only problem is that you might get PMs in the secondary account, so you'll probably want to make the distinction more obvious like 'LG33' and 'LG33-Backup'.

                            This solution won't solve all log-in troubles, of course, but it has been a huge help for me.
                            Last edited by LG33; 09-30-2015, 10:39 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: [IKL 15-16] Organizing Thread

                              If anyone has alternative ways to contact the following team owners, please let me know via PM. As far as I know, I've exhausted all the avenues available to me (private messages through Pacers Digest and basketball.sports.ws). What worries me is that two of the four people who missed the mid-season roll call (didn't respond in a week's time) from last season are on this list.

                              Baltimore UpsidePotential - bmore_bulldog
                              Detroit Dominators - ReluctantReaper
                              Gotham City Knights - iceman44
                              Hometown Hotshots - indysports

                              I understand that not all of our fantasy owners use Pacers Digest and that, since the NBA preseason hasn't even started yet, a lot of PD regulars aren't checking the forums too frequently. I would like to be as accommodating as possible, but I must also respect the owners already committed and rearing to go. ​How long do you guys think I should wait before replacing non-respondents?
                              Last edited by LG33; 10-01-2015, 12:12 PM.

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