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  • #76
    I can’t think of too many basketball teams I’ve ever watched that look so poorly coached on basics across the board. Seriously, what the hell do Woody and this staff teach them?

    I’ll harp on it again - the Fife thing was a giant red flag. I think almost everyone would agree that Fife is a good assistant coach if he lasted that long with Izzo. So Woody should have either 1) figured out how to make it work if there were personal differences or 2) replace him with someone else who will can be a good assistant coach. Woody couldn’t make option 1 work, and apparently didn’t choose option 2 either.

    At this point, I think the only hope ever for IU’s program is that we luck into some young no name coach with an obscure background who just happens to turn into a wizard here. That’s it.
    Last edited by Sollozzo; 02-20-2024, 09:04 AM.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
      I can’t think of too many basketball teams I’ve ever watched that look so poorly coached on basics across the board. Seriously, what the hell do Woody and this staff teach them?

      I’ll harp on it again - the Fife thing was a giant red flag. Clearly I think almost everyone would agree that Fife is a good assistant coach if he lasted that long with Izzo. So Woody should have either 1) figured out how to make it work if there were personal differences or 2) replace him with someone else who will can be a good assistant coach. Woody couldn’t make option 1 work, and apparently didn’t choose option 2 either.

      At this point, I think the only hope ever for IU’s program is that we luck into some young no name coach with an obscure background who just happens to turn into a wizard here. That’s it.
      Fife, Matta, AND Larry Brown were all supposed to be part of this Woodson experiment. They were supposed to be the things that made sure the inexperienced Woodson had the help he needed to get the team up to speed.
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

      -John Wooden

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Bball View Post

        Fife, Matta, AND Larry Brown were all supposed to be part of this Woodson experiment. They were supposed to be the things that made sure the inexperienced Woodson had the help he needed to get the team up to speed.
        Ah yes, the dynamic duo of Woodson/Matta that was going to be a vaunted two headed monster of strategy, vision, and recruiting. An unforgettable tandem for all of one year. Hey, I fell for the propaganda too.
        Last edited by Sollozzo; 02-20-2024, 06:44 PM.

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        • #79
          Down 20 at home. This team has quit! And I could hear the crowd booing at half. Don fisher even mentioned it lol.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

            Ah yes, the dynamic duo of Woodson/Matta that was going to be a vaunted two headed monster of strategy, vision, and recruiting. An unforgettable tandem for all of one year. Hey, I fell for the propaganda too.
            Yep, I too fell for all that stuff.

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            • #81
              Nebraska was WINLESS on the road in the Big 10 before tonight. Looks like all they needed was a game at Assembly Hall.

              We used to be able to say “well at least IU plays good at home.” Now they’ve dropped 3 straight at home.

              IndyStar’s blurb said “first three game losing streak at home since Archie Miller’s final season in 2021”.

              The program has been so bad recently that now we’re saying…they haven’t done anything this bad since just a mere three years ago when it happened”. They say “since 2021” as if it was 15 years ago lol.

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              • #82
                I saw this trainwreck coming when Woodson was announced. You just don't come to college basketball, at a school like Indiana... the Big 10... as a 60+ year old rookie coach. And being Mike Woodson "IU guy (read: "Knight guy")" there was always the added risk that IF you do need to fire him, it's going to be polarizing.

                That said, I too was pacified somewhat with the hires IU made to surround Woodson. And worse, I ASSUMED Fife was really the long term hire and Woodson was the pacifier hire. A place-keeper just to satisfy some Knight people and bring an NBA connection to sell to recruits. While others did the heavy lifting or at least kept the ship away from the icebergs.
                That sure didn't last.

                I was privy to Woodson's speech to former players with Bob Knight in attendance after Woodson had been hired. And I was not impressed. Obviously, he was speaking to the choir (so he didn't really need to 'sell' them) but I expected some "we're gonna turn this thing around rah rah rah!! stuff. It's not like they would've been disappointed to hear a little fire either.

                He could not have been any more low energy and boring. And that just set off additional red flags for me. But still... I told myself... Matta is there... Fife is there... Woodson is the figurehead. Maybe even short-term with Fife soon to be the new HC.

                Of course, anyone that saw Tom Crean in these same kind of circumstances knows he's the exact opposite. To the point you're left wondering "Is this guy for real??". Is he genuinely hyper and outgoing, or a used car salesman? Every time I met Tom Crean it was the same feeling.
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                -John Wooden

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                • #83
                  This is strictly conjecture on my part:
                  but, when I heard about fife, Matta and brown being brought in for various roles, i was excited. However, I can't help but suspect that despite the low-energy woodson puts out, behind the scenes, he was up to some other things like telling these guys "butt-out, I got this" and they either left on their own choice or like fife, were fired.
                  once again, strictly conjecture but, the more I run it thru my head, the more plausible it becomes (to me at least)
                  Last edited by clownskull; 02-22-2024, 11:51 AM.

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                  • #84
                    the one thing i ithink is very clear about iu basketball is this, until the AD decides to really invest in making the program something special again, it is what it is at this point. an average P5 basketball program which is what it has been from the last few years of Knight's tenure to where we are today. Valleys and peaks certainly, but fundamentlaly we're no different than say Illinois. we are just not a powerhouse program anymore and it's because institutionally we haven't behaved like one in some time.

                    woodson, this team, the archie years, the crean years, they're all just products of that reality. hell if anything crean still doesn't get enough credit for how good he was here. two outright big ten titles in 4 years and then we canned him after a season where his best player (and future nba 1st round pick) tore his acl the first week of december.

                    any change to this will take years of sustained success. a truly new era of iu basketball. the past is gone and has been if we're being honest, for a while.

                    and again i trace back to what i think the true crossroads was and that is letting the ncaa bulldoze us on the Sampson thing for what was, even at the time, a pretty minor infraction. we should have told the ncaa to pound salt. they weren't going to give IU basketball, one of their largest brands, a truly meaningful postseason ban. we would have lost maybe one season tops, but at least we would have told them to go screw themselves and stood by a guy who was very clearly a brilliant basketball mind ready to do what it took to win in the modernizing college basketball landscape.

                    greenspan really ****ed the university there IMO or the university ****ed itself depending on who you believe (some people said Greenspan wanted to stand by Kelvin which is why he was eventually made to resign as well)

                    glass as a hire was a problem because he was internally obsessed with the knight years and never fully allowed the program to move on, including scrapping plans for the new basketball arena which was going to be built because he was attached to assembly hall (this was and is a mistake, place is a dump and is not a class A basketball venue by any stretch). glass then extending crean through two thousand freakin' twenty which left the program between a rock and a hard place for the next several years. this echoed into our cheap *** hiring of archie freakin' miller.


                    im not happy with woodson, im not happy with this team, but where IU basketball is right now is on a lot more people than just them. It's an institutional issue and it has been for a while.
                    Last edited by Trader Joe; 02-22-2024, 03:24 PM.


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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by clownskull View Post
                      With time to think about things, I've concluded I'm not interested in getting guys like Jalen hood-schifino. One year rentals don't build programs.
                      if anyone on this year's team had even half the guts that JHS had we wouldn't be in this spot. kid played out of his gourd last year and moved himself into the 1st round and eventually lottery. he was not initially projected as a 1 and done when recruited.

                      (this has nothing to do with woodson's quote about this btw, just won't stand any JHS slander, kid was special, not his fault he worked his way to where he ended up)


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                      • #86
                        The only question is just how many Final Fours would we have gone to by now with Sampson?

                        You go back to the point Sampson came and there was still something to build on. The Knight years weren’t quite the completely ancient history that they are now. You had the recent 2002 Final Four run which still was a fresh memory. It felt like the program was really back on its way to being elite. But we all know what has transpired and now we’ve had 16 years of very little success aside from a few good years with Crean. So we are where we are.

                        There was such a buzz with Sampson at the beginning. You could just feel that he was going to absolutely win a lot. Well he’s winning a lot….in Houston.
                        Last edited by Sollozzo; 02-23-2024, 12:58 PM.

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                        • #87
                          I’m with TJ on Crean. When you think about it, it’s kind of crazy that in 2016 his team won the Big 10 outright, beat UK in the tournament, and gave an absolutely loaded UNC a tough game in the Sweet 16…..then he was gone just one year later.

                          His faults are known…but this is a good case study that things can get much much worse. Crean would have at least competed in the Big 10 over time and maybe at some point he could have finally had some luck with a really hot tournament team.

                          But it just all goes back to the Sampson thing. And our faces continue to get rubbed in it as he does nothing but win in Houston.

                          You gotta give Sampson credit. He stayed mostly quiet from what I remember and worked NBA assistant jobs for six years. Just wanted to coach in whatever opportunity was given to him. Then went to Houston who is thrilled to have such a great coach.

                          Also with TJ on Assembly Hall. It’s not like it’s MSG or Fenway Park where the old age makes it an extra cool venue. Assembly Hall is just an incredibly awkward and strange venue by any measure.
                          Last edited by Sollozzo; 02-23-2024, 07:16 AM.

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                          • #88
                            I'm afraid Woodson's basement is several floors below where Archie Miller's basement was. Woodson is going to prove to be a bigger whiff than Miller, and that's saying something. For the life of me, I can't see how anyone thought Woodson would be anything but a HUGE gamble, and not one IU needed to be taking. Unless it really was to be a bridge hire, with Fife (or Matta) as the heir apparent and Woodson blew that up.
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                            ------

                            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                            -John Wooden

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Bball View Post
                              I'm afraid Woodson's basement is several floors below where Archie Miller's basement was. Woodson is going to prove to be a bigger whiff than Miller, and that's saying something. For the life of me, I can't see how anyone thought Woodson would be anything but a HUGE gamble, and not one IU needed to be taking. Unless it really was to be a bridge hire, with Fife (or Matta) as the heir apparent and Woodson blew that up.
                              Archie literally never beat Purdue in 4 years LOL. That's awful.

                              Archie's basement was in hell.


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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post

                                Archie literally never beat Purdue in 4 years LOL. That's awful.

                                Archie's basement was in hell.
                                I don’t think anything will ever top Archie losing 12 of 13 in the Langford year. That was just stunning. Worst stretch I’ve ever seen as an IU fan (I don’t count something like Crean’s first year because that wasn’t a real roster).

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