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  • Trader Joe
    DIET COKE!
    • Jan 2006
    • 46941

    #16
    This team really responds well to close games.


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    • Sollozzo
      Member
      • Jan 2004
      • 27463

      #17
      Nothing new here - IU getting spanked by an athletic team that is good offensively.

      Bubble team at best

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      • clownskull
        Member
        • May 2004
        • 2722

        #18
        Originally posted by Sollozzo
        Nothing new here - IU getting spanked by an athletic team that is good offensively.

        Bubble team at best
        i wonder what team shows up to play kansas? it is possible we could make it interesting. not likely but, possible.

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        • clownskull
          Member
          • May 2004
          • 2722

          #19
          Originally posted by Sollozzo
          Nothing new here - IU gettingamd spanked by an athletic team that is good offensively.t serves

          Bubble team at best
          After an encouraging loss to Kansas, they respond with a narrow escape at home to Morehead st. With the exception of the blowout loss to auburn, they play to the level of their competition. I'd like to see the silver lining here but, I'm not convinced there is one.
          and while I'm not sure who is to blame with the secrecy regarding Johnson's injury I figure it is either Woodson or the athletic director... it is an idiotic strategy that serves no useful purpose.

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          • clownskull
            Member
            • May 2004
            • 2722

            #20
            Ok, another crap game. They are (at best) a bubble team. Not much a reason to keep watching this garbage (insert puke emoji)

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            • Sollozzo
              Member
              • Jan 2004
              • 27463

              #21
              Originally posted by clownskull
              Ok, another crap game. They are (at best) a bubble team. Not much a reason to keep watching this garbage (insert puke emoji)
              This team isn’t going anywhere with this guard play. They have been completely dominated by Nebraska.

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              • Sollozzo
                Member
                • Jan 2004
                • 27463

                #22
                I wanna give Woody time but it’s hard to think this program is going anywhere anytime soon. TJD pulled out a lot of wins those last couple years..

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                • Trader Joe
                  DIET COKE!
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 46941

                  #23
                  our guard play is horrendous.


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                  • Bball
                    Jimmy did what Jimmy did
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 26920

                    #24
                    I still think hiring a senior citizen first year college coach was the wrong move. Plus, Woodson is kind of a low energy guy. So, we have to wait for a 60+ year old dog to learn new tricks, and implement them, and make his mistakes along the way, and then hope his low energy and age don't mean that when and if he does put it all together, it's not too late and time for a change anyway.

                    Too many times the team just looks poorly coached and unprepared.

                    I also think they feed off the energy at Assembly Hall, but on the road the low energy Woodson can't get them to that same level.

                    He DOES bring energy to the team in a different way, but it's more that he's an IU guy, and a Knight guy, and a lot of the fanbase relates to that and thinks that makes him 'the guy' and rally around him. That helps in Bloomington, but it doesn't really travel. I have the same concerns I've had since he was hired. One step forward, 2 steps back seems to be too much the norm.

                    And tonight it sure looks like there are cracks in the armor starting to form with the fanbase.
                    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                    -John Wooden

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                    • Bball
                      Jimmy did what Jimmy did
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 26920

                      #25
                      Judging by the IU forums, there are a lot of people questioning Woodson just out of the blue. I'm pretty sure a lot of people chalked up Nebraska as an IU win without paying attention to who was favored, recent history, and all of that. So, yeah, getting blown out when you were just sure it was an automatic IU win probably is jarring. But anyone actually paying attention had to know this Nebraska team wouldn't be an automatic win for this IU team. True, getting blown out isn't good... but 'expecting' an automatic win wasn't being realistic either.

                      Of course Woodson isn't the most dynamic coach, so he's not going to be pulling strings and going down swinging either. Regardless of what is really happening, it's going to look like he's just sitting there befuddled and watching it happen without much of an answer. Just hoping something changes for the good.

                      It probably didn't help that X, a Jekyll and Hyde player who had been sidelined with a mystery foot/ankle/leg injury for several games, was back and immediately inserted into the starting lineup. Where he was ultimately the worst version of himself. Of course that was going to raise issues too (unless he'd been the good version of himself). Being a Jekyll and Hyde player means he's a bit polarizing.

                      His defenders either want to excuse his play, or expected Woodson to bring him off the bench and ease him back into the rotation. His detractors were fine with him being out, and at best wanted him coming off the bench with a short leash to pull him if he wasn't having a good game.
                      So Woodson's use of X has some online feuds brewing too.

                      It would be nice to get back to IU basketball being a team that on any given day could beat anyone, even in a down year, and you were always watching them get better over the course of the season versus waiting for the wheels to fall off completely.
                      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                      ------

                      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                      -John Wooden

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                      • Bball
                        Jimmy did what Jimmy did
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 26920

                        #26
                        Dakich is still salty about not getting hired by IU... He comes close to admitting it, just before he says he's not salty... LOL...
                        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                        ------

                        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                        -John Wooden

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                        • Trader Joe
                          DIET COKE!
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 46941

                          #27
                          Well another situation where IU under Woodson punches back when they need to. At the very least this is where he has separated himself from a guy like Archie as a hire. Next two games before Purdue are crucial for the season's long term outlook.


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                          • Bball
                            Jimmy did what Jimmy did
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 26920

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Trader Joe
                            Well another situation where IU under Woodson punches back when they need to. At the very least this is where he has separated himself from a guy like Archie as a hire. Next two games before Purdue are crucial for the season's long term outlook.
                            I look for IU to (almost) always have a chance at Assembly Hall where the crowd can feed them some energy. On the road, the low energy Woodson isn't going to light any fires or make chess moves that change the course of the game.

                            Woodson is an upgrade, in some ways, but he's never going to win any natl coach of the year awards in college. I'm also not sure how much longer that energy he infused in the program by connecting IU basketball back to Knight, and those banners, can actually last if he can't do more than he's currently shown.

                            Too old and too inexperienced were a bad combination, particularly if Woodson was actually supposed to be 'the man' versus a bridge into new era.

                            It's good that he wants to be at IU. And it's good that he has those connections to IU and the NBA. But eventually, that won't be enough and he's going to have to show he can both coach and recruit at the college level.
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                            ------

                            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                            -John Wooden

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                            • Trader Joe
                              DIET COKE!
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 46941

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Bball

                              I look for IU to (almost) always have a chance at Assembly Hall where the crowd can feed them some energy. On the road, the low energy Woodson isn't going to light any fires or make chess moves that change the course of the game.

                              Woodson is an upgrade, in some ways, but he's never going to win any natl coach of the year awards in college. I'm also not sure how much longer that energy he infused in the program by connecting IU basketball back to Knight, and those banners, can actually last if he can't do more than he's currently shown.

                              Too old and too inexperienced were a bad combination, particularly if Woodson was actually supposed to be 'the man' versus a bridge into new era.

                              It's good that he wants to be at IU. And it's good that he has those connections to IU and the NBA. But eventually, that won't be enough and he's going to have to show he can both coach and recruit at the college level.

                              Archie was 22-17 in the Big Ten at home. Woodson so far is 16-6. Which is what my post was about.


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                              • Bball
                                Jimmy did what Jimmy did
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 26920

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Trader Joe


                                Archie was 22-17 in the Big Ten at home. Woodson so far is 16-6. Which is what my post was about.
                                That was my point... Woodson's presence, so far, has helped to bring some added energy to Assembly Hall. But it doesn't necessary travel because he's not a particularly good coach and he's low energy.
                                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                                ------

                                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                                -John Wooden

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