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  • Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
    Maybe we all overreacted to the team trying to find their footing after a couple major injuries. They look every bit Big Ten title contender right now and Woodson's got them locked back in.
    No... they were already faltering before those injuries.
    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

    -John Wooden

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    • Originally posted by Bball View Post

      No... they were already faltering before those injuries.
      they were up 20 in Iowa when Race went down


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      • Nice 3 game streak and they are just completely outplaying these teams. Not like they are just squeaking by. Credit to Woodson and the players for this awesome bounceback. Keep it going!

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        • Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post

          they were up 20 in Iowa when Race went down
          They were losing big to Kansas when X went down.

          The team clearly has the players to adjust and get by. If anything, the losses and injuries have forced Woodson and his staff to re-evaluate their approach IMO. This shouldn't be an IU team with such a lack of depth/talent that their margin of error is so thin they can't absorb a couple of player losses. They were unprepared and out-coached in their recent losses. That's more on Woodson needing a better handle on coaching modern college ball and players than on the loss of a couple of players IMO.
          It's not to say he is or was incapable of improving. He's only in his 2nd year of college coaching.

          Let's see how both he and the team can handle this success. We've been burned too much with high expectations too many times before.
          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

          -John Wooden

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          • Originally posted by Bball View Post

            They were losing big to Kansas when X went down.

            The team clearly has the players to adjust and get by. If anything, the losses and injuries have forced Woodson and his staff to re-evaluate their approach IMO. This shouldn't be an IU team with such a lack of depth/talent that their margin of error is so thin they can't absorb a couple of player losses. They were unprepared and out-coached in their recent losses. That's more on Woodson needing a better handle on coaching modern college ball and players than on the loss of a couple of players IMO.
            It's not to say he is or was incapable of improving. He's only in his 2nd year of college coaching.

            Let's see how both he and the team can handle this success. We've been burned too much with high expectations too many times before.
            playing the game @ Kansas is more important than how the game went. IU played two true road games in their out of conference against teams currently ranked in the top 15, how many teams can say that? They won 1 and lost 1. I'll take that all day and it is the kind of schedule IU fans have begged for, you have to give Woody credit for that sort of thing as well.

            When X went down, they had gotten punched in the mouth by the Jayhawks but the game was still early but then having that injury? No way they were winning that game.

            Then they start to find their footing without X, they're up big in iowa and then Race goes down with an injury that, at the time, looked potentially season ending and the refs let that game turn into the Fran McCaffery show. They blow that lead and come home to play a motivated NW team at an early tip and get caught off guard, then they go to Penn State which has been a bug a boo road game for IU for like 16 years now.

            They then responded by beating the hell out of Wiscy, ILL, and MSU.

            Look I'm not saying to have blind faith, but that 3 game skid wasn't as bad as we all made out it to be. Sure you wish it wouldn't have happened but it's not hard to see how it did. Woody's X's and O's are top level in the Big Ten, it's easy to see, we are one of if not the best team in the conference on OOB plays. All along I felt if we could be .500 in the Big Ten then have X and Race back by mid Feb we'd be good, well we're on schedule to do that hopefully.


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            • TJD putting up NBA stat lines

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              • One thing is for certain... no matter how anything else goes, TJD goes down as an all-time IU great.

                To the game itself tonight, I was not thrilled with the use of the bench. I think that inconsistent use of the bench just leads to inconsistent play on the court. I also wasn't really sure Race was ready for that many minutes, or that the team should shake up what has been working these last few games, but I do think Race seemed to play more freely as the game wore on (as in he could ignore that knee more). Maybe that will help down the road. I think I might prefer Race coming off the bench to spell TJD... But when someone is that hot, you gotta keep going with it.
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                -John Wooden

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                • Originally posted by Bball View Post
                  One thing is for certain... no matter how anything else goes, TJD goes down as an all-time IU great.

                  To the game itself tonight, I was not thrilled with the use of the bench. I think that inconsistent use of the bench just leads to inconsistent play on the court. I also wasn't really sure Race was ready for that many minutes, or that the team should shake up what has been working these last few games, but I do think Race seemed to play more freely as the game wore on (as in he could ignore that knee more). Maybe that will help down the road. I think I might prefer Race coming off the bench to spell TJD... But when someone is that hot, you gotta keep going with it.
                  Yasir's postgame Zoom interview made the subs more confusing. He said while he was head coach that the other two assistants were the ones handling substitutions and rotations and he was mostly doing overall strategy plus drawing up plays. Weird stuff. I agree the second half rotations were bizarre.

                  TJD obviously one of the greatest Hoosiers ever. He's on another level and is the type of guy you'd follow into war every night. TJD isn't going to get many spells as the season winds down I don't think.


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                  • Another runaway win. This team is a freight train right now.


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                    • Woody really has them playing to their potential. This is fun to watch.

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                      • Maryland game is scary they have been playing pretty well and I am afraid we'll be looking ahead to Purdue.


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                        • if you'd known going into the iowa game that Race was going to get hurt in that game and essentially miss the next 5 games and X wasn't going to be back in january, but that you could take IU at 15-6 & 6-4 in conference play on January 29, would you have taken that deal?

                          puts that 3 game skid in perspective imo. the losses felt awful bc of how they happened, but in a vacuum IU has done as well or better than you could have expected given those circumstances imo


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                          • Reneau has a renewed sense of purpose. It also looks like Banks is coming along. I'm still a little questionable on the minutes Race is getting. Looks like he has trouble getting to the rim on that knee, on defense his man is always looking to take him (and does), and he looks to be getting winded. All of this is understandable right now so I think a bit of a pitch count wouldn't hurt. Of course, that said, apparently Geronimo is hurt which is what opened the door for Banks to get some minutes, and maybe why Woodson went heavy on Race.
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                            ------

                            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                            -John Wooden

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                            • IU at #21. Purdue still at #1. See ya Saturday. (Maryland game v spooky)


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                              • Outcoached...
                                When the team can't do what Woodson expects them to do, or when the other team figures them out and counters it, Woodson flails. No answers. This is college. It's not the pros. He can't just expect his team to figure it out or find a way. Call a timeout and draw attention to what's not working and why, and find a way to exploit the weakness being created, and adjust. Don't just call a timeout to call an out of bounds play to get a bucket and then nothing changes after that. It's not been working so far, so an out of bounds play isn't going to fix the other team having a better gameplan.

                                Also, use the bench properly.

                                And on that note, Thompson is a liability out there. I know Geronimo is injured and the team has to account for that... but maybe try doing it without giving the guy playing on one knee, and thinking more about his knee than just playing ball, big minutes. Try and use and develop some depth. Or try something totally different with the lineup.

                                One reason I just can't get too high with the wins is I just don't trust Woodson actually can coach college ball at a high level. Several games the team didn't look prepared... then they looked like world-beaters. Then they met a team that knew what IU wanted to do and took them out of it. And Woodson didn't have a clue how to handle that.

                                And maybe try a few fouls as the clock shortened instead of looking like Jeff Saturday trying to manage the final ticks of a game.

                                He just seems like a rookie coach, still trying to figure it all out. And still not sure what buttons to press, or how to press them. Still riding and using the energy of the Knight connection to keep hopes up. Not a very proactive coach at all... but an even worse reactive coach. He can still figure it out, but there's a lot of "old dog, new tricks" syndrome to be managed. And I have no real thought he's figuring it out this year. A well-coached team will have no trouble taking IU out of the tournament. But I suppose if IU can get back to the tournament again, that's actually progress for IU and Woodson.

                                Now, that all said, losses happen. The really good teams take a loss like this, learn from it, and then the next team they face runs into a buzzsaw. So, now we're waiting to see how IU plays after being taken out of what they wanted to do.

                                History says IU follows up losses with a streak of losses.
                                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                                -John Wooden

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