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Wasn't Sampson on track to bring in some huge recruits for the 08-09 season? Could someone with a better memory of that fill me in?
Yeah there were some problem guys on that team, but I think everything falling apart exacerbated it. Sampson could just flat out coach. That team was what, 22-4 when he resigned? With IU's resources, he would have always been able to find enough quality players. That, combined with his coaching, would have always had us in the mix. -
Has anyone mentioned that the offense under Archie Miller is absolutely horrid? Even in the wins, it's not like the offense looked good. Yes, hitting FT's helps. But then, poor FT shooting is also a Miller staple.
I'm almost missing that Crean weave.Leave a comment:
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Archie should be questioned big time this year for his obvious mishandling of Khristian Lander. Dunno if he's skittish on playing 5 star perimeter guys after some of the flack he got for the freedom he gave Romeo, but Lander was basically playing on the shortest leash in the history of the program til 3 games ago. Yeah Lander reclassified so he's very, very young, but come on. 5 star guys gotta play.
His numbers aren't anything crazy at all, but he's starting to play with more confidence and it's obvious just having him out there raises the pace of play of the team which is really, really needed.Leave a comment:
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And IU beats Iowa... again...
But Iowa seems to be in a bit of a funk of late.
IU's offense had a couple of nice runs, and Franklin soloed and hit a go ahead shot with under 2 secs on the clock. So there's that... But man.. ...IU's offense looks bad most of the time.Leave a comment:
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I'd like to know how it possibly gets better from here? What exactly can I hang my hat on to think this will be better the rest of the season... or next season... or the season after?
Recruiting is only going to get worse, so the above has to improve with recruiting getting worse before it can possibly get better. And if things don't improve, then recruiting won't improve either. It's the death spiral. The same thing happened with Crean.
It's why Archie arrived and the cupboard was pretty bare.
The longer it takes to address the obvious, the worse position the new coach will be in.Last edited by Bball; 02-03-2021, 07:25 PM.Leave a comment:
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There is just nothing fun to watch about college basketball now that the crowds are gone. It is really an abysmal product hwen you take that away and IU is a truly bad example of that abysmal product. Watching IU basketball is honestly a chore.Leave a comment:
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Also, the overly whistle-happy nature of college officiating can make games nearly unwatchable at times.Leave a comment:
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No doubt about it now for me... Archie is a total swing and a miss. I gave him plenty of slack before just saying it... But start the clock. He's not the answer, and he's going to be gone. It's just a question of when. In months, or a couple more wasted seasons.
The next phase of this will be recruiting misses now. That's just going to make it worse. Unless a kid just wants to go to IU for education or loves the campus, there's no point in coming for basketball. Not unless you're a 2nd or 3rd tier recruit and IU is your ticket to play in the B10... and that is your dream.
But the tier one athletes will have options, including within the conference. And why would they want to come to IU now? A one and done player would just waste a season. A 4 year player, besides wondering if IU will even make the tournament in his 4 years, now has to wonder who will be the coach, if not his first couple of years, definitely the last couple.
I'd like to be wrong, but IU has had the SAME issues, each year of Archie's tenure. Just with more complete teams making the failures even more frustrating.Leave a comment:
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Well, I could of course be wrong on this (it's happened plenty of times in my life) but, I don't share the optimism regarding Sampson. He was bringing in the same kind of guys he was at Oklahoma. Granted, Gordon was always gonna be a one and done but as far as I'm aware, at least he was getting decent grades while he was here. The other guys Sampson brought in though... not so much. Even if he hadn't been bought out, most of those guys he brought in weren't going to be playing that next year either from failing grades or drug tests.
and now with this loss to Illinois, iu sits one game (for now) over .500
they're likely gonna finish well under .500 too. I just don't see AM as the guy who is going to revitalize this sinking program. Frankly, I don't even know who can.Leave a comment:
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I think the whole Sampson thing is what really changed the direction of the program. It's just never fully recovered. We had a few good regular seasons in the Crean era, but aside from that its been either mediocrity or downright awful play.
I remember the beginning of the Sampson era very well. There was such a huge buzz around the fanbase. I think his first team won every home game at Assembly Hall that year - a very good team that had a good year and lost to a tough UCLA team in the tournament that was on its way to a Final Four. Then the next year was the Gordon year. I'll never forget those first few games with Gordon when he just came out lighting people up and it just felt like the future of IU basketball was Kelvin Sampson recruiting a lot of players like Eric Gordon. That was an awesome feeling. There's no doubt in my mind that we would have been an elite program over the last 15 years had he stayed. He'd almost surely still be here because he obviously wanted very much to be IU's coach and win here.Leave a comment:
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Only thing I can say at this point is AM has been and, I fear, will go down as a total failure of a hire. I just don't think he's got any mojo just in terms of being a leader from what I've seen both on the sidelines and in front of the press corps. Seem it was a mistake to give THAT length of contract. But the face it took that much to get AM probably signals just how desperate the program has become, as you point out. At this point, I just think we're paying back all the Knight-era karma. Who knows how long that will take. He had quite the dynasty.Leave a comment:
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To Knight's credit, he did recruit the players on the 2002 team. But yes, the final years of his actual coaching tenure were the beginning of a now over 25 year stretch of incredible mediocrity aside from one magical 2002 run.
Knight's final Elite 8 as a coach was in 1993. Since then, the only other year we made the Elite 8 was 2002 when we went all the way to the championship game.
I mean that is just an absoltuely shocking run of medicority-to downright bad results. Like I said, you literally have to be 40 years old to have any sort of firm memory of IU being consistently relevant....and even a 40 year old wouldn't remember too much of it at this point.Leave a comment:
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