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Indiana Athletics 2019-20

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  • clownskull
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    Well, the season is probably over now. At least IU went undefeated in the big10 tourney this time and we hit 20 wins!

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  • clownskull
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    Looks like Wisconsin wins again. Looks like it's gonna take a win in the big10 tourney to make sure they get into the ncaa. But, we know how bad iu is in that!

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  • Bball
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    https://twitter.com/i/status/1231659648975089665

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  • Bball
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    The bigs continually hedge to help on the 3 point line and leave the paint. Nobody rotates to cover, which I assume is because IU's 3 point defense is so weak that Archie doesn't want them losing contact with their man.

    But the bigs hedge so far they can't recover and leave a wide open layup for the other team.

    It keeps happening so either it's what Archie wants... or what he accepts...

    To me, the bigs, if they are going to do it at all, just need to flash and show and get back. Don't hedge so much they leave the paint unprotected. Don't hedge so much they can't recover.

    Really, in year 3, there's lots to be questioning about Archie's coaching and just what he's thinking. Eventually, even if you're trying to imprint your plan on a team, you have to coach the players you have and bend to what they can do.

    And for the love of God, sit Devonte when he's hurting the team. Which is more often than not. IU has options that are more consistent.

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  • Bball
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    You can make the argument IU has a couple of players who hurt the team... I'm especially looking at you Mr. Inconsistent (AKA DeVonte)...
    IU just looks like a poorly coached team. The same mistakes keep happening and not getting corrected.

    I see no reason for Devonte to get minutes over Franklin. With Hunter back... Phinisee back healthy... Franklin on the team... There's just no reason to deal with Devonte's inconsistencies and mistakes.

    Picking who plays is also a coaching decision...

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  • Sollozzo
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    We give up wide open layups. There is just no passion on this team.

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  • Sollozzo
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    Seems like this has happened so many times this year: we are down a bit at the half, but instead of making the game close in the second half we get our doors blown off and the game turns into a route. Inexcusable. That’s the hallmark of a poor team.

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  • Bball
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    It's just bad decisions after bad decisions.

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  • Sollozzo
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    Yeah that was a good article that did a nice job summing up the problems that have plagued us for years, as well as the problems that are plaguing us on a game by game basis this year.

    Really every current problem with Archie falls under one umbrella: can he win in the Big 10? So far he hasn’t shown the ability to consistently win conference games. Crean, for all his warts, showed that he could have some nice Big 10 success. We won 2 out of 4 Big 10 titles from 13-16. That sort of success seems light years away right now.

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  • clownskull
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    Came across a good article. It asks great questions.
    https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/iu-b...d-proportions/

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  • Bball
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    I really have nothing to excuse Archie's 3rd year. It's now just a pile of question marks. I have theories but without more info it's hard to know anything for sure except... something is wrong.

    The offense is putrid. In the first year it seemed to come together a bit over the course of the season. I think the first year might be the only year the team didn't regress over the course of the season.

    Let's look at DeRon Davis as an example. Year 1, he was featured and looked pretty good early. Got injured early in season 1 and had to work himself back into game shape and thru the mental hurdles last season to get back. Had a great game against MSU at MSU... I don't exactly recall his minutes last year, but this year they have been erratic at best. Last year, Race got some burn and looked solid. This year, his minutes have been erratic as well.
    I fully agree it's hard to get minutes if you don't deserve them, but it's also hard to get a flow if you don't get consistent minutes.
    But then there's Devonte Green. He gets minutes... and seems to have a mile long leash, yet plays sloppy. Streaky shooter that is just as likely to shoot you out of a game as into one. Maybe more likely to shoot you out of a game. Doesn't understand the concept of a 2 handed pass.
    Makes some of the worst unforced errors on the court.
    Gets lost on defense.
    Yet he's getting a lot of minutes.

    You could argue that Archie made promises to a player like Devonte to stay with the program when Crean was sent packing, in order to not start from scratch (which at this point, starting from scratch would've been fine considering where IU is now). Didn't want to lose a bunch of players heading into year 1. So that could explain his loyalty and mins to Devonte, being loyal to a fault. But where is the loyalty to DeRon Davis? Wouldn't he have made the same promises to him?

    Why isn't Archie disciplining bad play with the bench? Or if he is and that is explained in Race and DeRon's sporadic minutes, for example... then how is he justifying Justin Smith's and Devonte's minutes?

    Hunter and Franklin definitely seem like pieces for the future, so it's understandable to get them minutes and let them play through a mistake or two. You don't necessarily have to bury a player on the bench for the rest of the game to still give him a seat and let him think about bad or selfish play before sending him back into the game.

    Meanwhile, I don't think I've ever known less about IU's depth on the bench once it gets past about the 8th player or so.

    I do think Romeo was a setback for the program... blame it on the injury or the timing of his recruitment to the Miller era, but the team wasn't ready for a one and done. Especially one that underwhelmed. Like I said, blame it on the injury, it doesn't matter why, he underwhelmed. His numbers came more to being handed a role rather than deserving/earning a role. For example, he was a guaranteed starter from the day he said he was coming to IU. And the team was forced to accept that. But Romeo isn't there this year. You can't argue you have a one and done player causing jealousy amongst the team and everyone not on the page for that reason.

    Hunter was expected to play and contribute last season, and wasn't able to answer the bell. But he's here now.

    One huge consistency with Archie's teams has been sloppy play, terrible 3 point offense, and a lack of leadership. They also rarely look motivated and seem to not take a punch. That's not the kind of consistency you want.

    Just like the fans now, everyone is waiting on the next shoe to drop when they are winning games, or even leading a game and playing well. Let alone when they are hanging in a game by a thread.

    So, I say all of that to get to this- For a team many times lacking motivation and a spark, why didn't Archie have the team back out of the lockerroom in time to watch Knight's return to the court? Knight's legacy looms large over IU basketball. The banners attest to that. IU is still mentioned nationally not because of anything they've done in the last 20 years, but because of what Knight's teams did more than anything else.
    His return was history. It was finally a bridge to the past. There was plenty of halftime ceremony to have taken the team to the lockerrom and discussed the game, and then brought them back out to witness that history, feel that passion and energy, and maybe inspire them to play harder for the next 20 minutes. Or the rest of the season. In fact, missing that moment was likely a giant distraction. Especially being in the lockerroom and hearing cheers and chants and not knowing exactly what was happening other than just the general sense that Knight was back on the court.
    This was an epic fail on Archie's part IMHO. It's a moment he can't get back either.

    I doubt that was Archie's first epic fail in decision making at IU.

    I think more than anything, Archie's problem might be he wasn't ready for the big chair. At a mid major the players he was able to recruit were mainly 2nd tier, hard workers. Much like himself as a player, players that knew to compete they were going to have to work harder and be more prepared than their competition. Players that had already learned they needed to play as a team because they weren't athletically gifted enough to steamroll opposing players by themselves. Many probably played on HS teams where team ball was their only chance to beat other teams and didn't have the luxury of having a natural talent where the game came easy for them amongst other HS'ers.

    But this is college, even the players where it all came easy in HS are playing against equal and better talent. Maybe Archie just doesn't know how to handle them. Or is experimenting on the job. Athletes that he could recruit at IU are different than the athletes he'd recruit at Dayton. Maybe he'd do better recruiting players more like who he recruited at Dayton. Maybe he'd do better treating the players he's able to recruit at IU more like players that need coaching maybe more than the type of player he recruited at Dayton?

    Maybe there is something with the AD and the code of conduct the coaches have to agree to that is hampering Miller? But even at that, he has a bench, use it. The players getting limited minutes aren't necessarily the players making the biggest mistakes on the court.

    Whatever the problem, or problems, he needs to be figuring it out. This was the year that the excuses should be going out the window. Economics might dictate he gets another year, but results dictate his seat is getting warm.

    IU has already dealt with a coach staying past his welcome in Crean. At a certain point, your ceiling becomes apparent. 3 years of offensive ineptitude, let alone being unable to defend the 3 point line, is a pattern now. There can't be a 4th year of that. If a turnaround is possible for Miller, it needs to be happening.

    IU would be justified in firing him this year if there was a suitable replacement at the ready. Deciding the players would not be on the court for Knight's return isn't the only epic fail for the Miller era, unfortunately. So far, his entire tenure has been an epic fail.
    Last edited by Bball; 02-09-2020, 01:31 PM.

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  • Sollozzo
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    It was certainly incredible to see Knight finally walk back onto that court. I never thought it would happen. I'm glad that he, the players, and the fans had that moment. No one will ever forget that. It would have been such a shame if it never happened.

    That's about the only positive from yesterday.

    We've lost 6 straight games to Purdue. That pretty much sums up the state of our program right now. Pitiful.

    I was starting to get a little optimistic when we beat Nebraska on the road, Michigan State at home, and then looked like we might be able to pull out a win against Maryland. Of course, we lost the Maryland game and then 3 more after that for a 4 game losing streak. This doesn't look like a tournament team. Once you start losing home games, the tournament chances start to take a big hit.

    My problem with these Archie Miller teams is that no one ever really seems to improve. The offense is just terrible to watch. Purdue's offense was just so much quicker with much faster execution and decision making. IU has a ton of top of the key dribbling, then struggles to make anything develop.

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  • clownskull
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    Well, it looks like the annual implosion has officially begun! I figure some wins somewhere possibly though, I'm not really sure where. Looking like another non postseason beyond the btt for IU is becoming increasingly likely.

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  • clownskull
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    Osu game is already over in the 1st half.

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  • Bball
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    Well, IU managed to play them even for a half.
    IU's offense... .ummmm.... not good.
    It can be good. I've seen it be good. But when it goes south.... it really goes south. And it goes south way too much....

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