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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Indiana Athletics 2019-20

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  • #61
    Originally posted by clownskull View Post
    Please beat Wisconsin today. They've essentially owned iu for 20 years.
    Pitiful showing so far. Wisconsin isn’t even that great this year.

    Looks like same ole same ole disappointing IU. Have we reached a new low in this basketball program where the football program might be more exciting?

    I was afraid of this. One quality win against Florida State and a bunch of wins against teams that barely deserve to be considered NCAA basketball teams. Now the tough games are starting and the team looks like crap.

    Looks like we’re on our way to a patented Indiana disappointing fringe-tournament team season.

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    • #62
      Why are schools like Ohio St and Louisville able to hire coaches who immediately get their programs back to elite status in a matter of just a couple years, but IU has basically spent 20 years of fielding a bunch of (mostly) disappointing teams? Hell, right now Archie is looking like he’s going to have a tough time even being as successful as Crean was.

      I know I’m overreacting to one game here, but we’ve seen this movie a bunch. I think this could be an ugly season given how good a lot of the Big 10 is this year.
      Last edited by Sollozzo; 12-07-2019, 05:42 PM.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

        Pitiful showing so far. Wisconsin isn’t even that great this year.

        Looks like same ole same ole disappointing IU. Have we reached a new low in this basketball program where the football program might be more exciting?

        I was afraid of this. One quality win against Florida State and a bunch of wins against teams that barely deserve to be considered NCAA basketball teams. Now the tough games are starting and the team looks like crap.

        Looks like we’re on our way to a patented Indiana disappointing fringe-tournament team season.
        Yep, I fear you are correct. They're getting scorched 51-27 by a 4-4 Wisconsin team. I agree we're probably looking at another fringe tournament season. So sick of crap season after crap season.

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        • #64
          I saw that Bo Ryan's record vs iu before he left: 25-4! That's total domination!

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          • #65
            First test for IU on the road against a 4-4 Wisconsin team and they failed just as I expected. Ridiculous
            Larry Bird and Ryan Grigson- wasting the talents of Paul George and Andrew Luck

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            • #66
              Disappointing showing. I think the powderpuff schedule could've used a road game. It didn't need to be a #1 ranked team on the road or anything, but some place that could've had a decent crowd and at last mounted a bit of a showing. Something to get this year's team ready for the road.
              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

              -John Wooden

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              • #67
                We need to finish off 2019 strong because 2020 starts off very difficult. The wheels could fall off fast this year.

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                • #68
                  Yesterday was definitely a sign that nothing's really been fixed. It is of course, one game, but it was a bad one. They cannot play like that.
                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                  "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                  -John Wooden

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                  • #69
                    To hell with basketball. It's just going to be another mediocre campaign. If that's all the more "competitive" you can be against a .500 B1G opponent on the road, there's almost no way you'll wind up a tourney team. We looked more clueless than a 3rd grade Boys Club team.

                    I'm just going to enjoy the Gator Bowl appearance. Not convinced this year is the breakthrough that leads to us being a consistent bowl-eligible team. But you have to soak up this opportunity after all the suffering. Maybe a January bowl appearance will actually add significant momentum to the program. Not that I'm getting my hopes up.
                    I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                    -Emiliano Zapata

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                    • #70
                      Big game tonight against UConn at MSG. If we lose this one, then it’s pretty easy to envision the wheels falling off fast this year. They need to show up with a good rebound performance.

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                      • #71
                        Good win.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
                          . . . looked more clueless than a 3rd grade Boys Club team. .
                          Hey now -- I've coached a few 3rd & 4th grade CYO basketball teams and that's an insult to them.

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                          • #73
                            Well, a lot of people have been calling for him to go away -

                            https://fox59.com/2019/12/16/iu-athl...academic-year/

                            Fred Glass says “it’s time.”

                            The Indiana University vice president and director of intercollegiate athletics said this will be his last year at IU. Glass will retire at the end of the academic year. He’s advised President Michael McRobbie of his decision.

                            “It’s an all-in, all-consuming role, and I’ve loved it, but I’m ready to step back and do something that keeps me closer to home with more time with my granddaughters and the rest of my family,” Glass said in a statement. “I’ll finish up the Bicentennial Year and give President McRobbie enough time to select a great successor.”

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                            • #74
                              I keep hoping I live to see the program turn the corner. But, I doubt that will happen as I am only human and not immortal with an indefinite lifespan. Even if I could make it another 50 years with no major health issues, I think I'll never see the Hoosiers win another national title. I wonder if I'll ever see them even win a big10 tourney as well.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by clownskull View Post
                                I keep hoping I live to see the program turn the corner. But, I doubt that will happen as I am only human and not immortal with an indefinite lifespan. Even if I could make it another 50 years with no major health issues, I think I'll never see the Hoosiers win another national title. I wonder if I'll ever see them even win a big10 tourney as well.
                                Will we ever even see them make the Elite 8 again? Since 1993, they have only made it to the Elite 8 one time - 2002 when they made that epic run to the championship game. That’s pushing 20 years (wow that makes me feel old).

                                So that’s one Elite 8 in 25+ seasons - I.e. once in a generation. Barring a miracle, this will be the 18th consecutive season that we don’t make an Elite 8. Think of all of the schools that have made Elite 8’s since then. In a few years we will be talking about how IU has only made it to the Elite 8 one time in the last 30 seasons.

                                I hate to always harp on this stuff, but nothing ever changes with this program. We’re two and a half years into the Archie era, and I’m still waiting for him to show us something that we can hang on to. Right now it looks like Archie will struggle to merely reach the highs that Crean was able to reach. That loss last night was just a terrible game to lose at home given how brutal our schedule is about to get. Nothing ever changes. Sure we can get big name in state guys like Langford and Jackson-Davis, but we still can’t figure out how to build a winning program.

                                I think all most IU fans really ask for at this point is to have a team that consistently makes the tournament and goes on a deep run every once in a while. That’s really not too much to ask for when you look at all the other programs who have no trouble achieving that.

                                With as tough as the schedule is about to be, I could see the wheels coming off fast. The wins against UCONN and Notre Dame were solid, but then they totally blow that game last night.
                                Last edited by Sollozzo; 12-30-2019, 04:45 PM.

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