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Indiana University Athletics Thread 2017-2018

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  • Originally posted by dal9 View Post

    ....still pretty good when that 25 years of disappointment includes a Final Four win...
    That was a memorable run indeed, but that Final Four year is the only year we’ve made it to at least the Elite 8 since 1993. So since Knight lost his touch, that’s 24 non Elite 8 years and 1 wild year with a crazy ride. Several of those years started with major hype, then ended in a total whimper. Probably safe to say we’re looking at 25 this year...

    I know its more than a lot of programs ever see, but a Final Four win 17 years ago doesn’t make up for the sea of disappointment in surrounding seasons.....especially considering IU’s resources, history, traditions, and Indiana High School farm system.

    Hell, Louisville was completely humiliated with prostitutes, losing banners, a pay scandal, and firing one of the most successful coaches in NCAA history....yet they’ll probably be back to elite before IU.ever is.
    Last edited by Sollozzo; 01-14-2019, 11:53 PM.

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    • Tonight was a bit of an egg... IU just laid an egg on the court. No way around it. Another slow start. Probably needed to be a team meeting tonight after the game. Obviously injuries have set the team back, but they weren't really competitive.
      There shouldn't be games like this at Assembly Hall this season. Losing is one thing, but even when they closed the margin some it was more mirage than anything. Their efficient offense deserted them and their defense was nowhere near good enough to get them back in the game. In fact, it was just the opposite as they gave up 3 after 3. And when they weren't giving up 3's they were giving up layups.
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

      -John Wooden

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      • Originally posted by hoosierguy View Post
        There need to be serious and systematic changes to the athletics department. IU replaced its football and basketball coaches in a three month span and neither have shown they are any good. IU desperately needs new leadership and a renewed focus on winning. I am genuinely frightened that the basketball program may never recover. Nebraska is consistently beating us now.
        From the administration’s standpoint, IU football exists solely to make money. IU football could go 0-12 every single season, yet still cash those hefty Big Ten Network checks. IU - despite it’s seemingly eternal status as a garbage program - makes a lot of money just by simply existing in a Big 10 Conference with heavy hitters. Sort of like how Solomon Hill makes a lot of money because he plays in a sports league with Lebron James and Kevin Durant, the guys who bring in the real money for the league.

        IU also of course gets a steady stream of sponsorship and ticket sales. Early in the season when we play the weak schools, people attend the games because the weather is still nice and it’s something to do. Later in the season, people still keep going to see the real Big 10 teams or because they are clinging to the pipe dream that we can still make a Bowl game.

        From Glass’s standpoint, we might as well pay the football coach as little as possible so that IU can keep the profits as fat as possible, because very few people really care about IU football anyway. On one hand, it’s tough to argue with him. I went to IU and attended games all 4 years, one of those years being the year where we beat Purdue with Lynch to go to a bowl game. I can probably count on my hand the number of people I know who genuinely care about IU football. Most people watch in passive disgust, but know better than to get emotionally tied to it like you would IU Basketball, Colts, Pacers, or any remotely respectable sports entity.
        Last edited by Sollozzo; 01-16-2019, 01:15 PM.

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        • It's to the point where it's really no use watching either football or basketball anymore. And I find the basketball even less interesting than the football. Perhaps that's due to how far removed we are from the zenith of the Knight era of my youth.
          I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

          -Emiliano Zapata

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          • Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
            It's to the point where it's really no use watching either football or basketball anymore. And I find the basketball even less interesting than the football. Perhaps that's due to how far removed we are from the zenith of the Knight era of my youth.
            Basketball is certainly more depressing, that’s for sure. As I said, very few people actually care about IU football. There are a lot of people who would like to see IU football do well, but who long ago accepted it’s an eternal sewer.

            A lot of people still care about IU basketball though. I have to give IU fans credit for being some of the most loyal fans in all of sports. IU has failed to deliver on hype for most of the past quarter century, which you’d think would eventually depress the fanbase, but they are revved up and ready to go every season. We are some of the best fans in college sports because IU ranks near the bottom when it comes to hype matching reality. It’s remarkable because you have to at least be 40 years old at this point to have any solid memory of IU being a consistent powerhouse.

            This is year is a perfect example. We get one of the best players in Indiana high school history, yet are staring at a 4 game Big 10 losing streak in January if we lose to Purdue.

            I’m incredibly negative when it comes to IU basketball and football, but it’s for a reason. I’m in my early 30’s. By the time I was old enough to pay serious attention, Bobby Knight was nothing but an old out of touch a-hole bully who couldn’t win tournament games. We had the Final Four run with Davis, but since then have been in a perpetual state of “just wait, things will be fine.” First it was “well Davis wasn’t the right guy, but just watch what this Sampson hire will do.” Then it was, “Sampson was crooked, but Crean will be awesome once he recovers from Sampson nuking the program.” Then it was “well Crean just needs more time”. Now it’s “well Crean sucked, but just let Archie get his guys in there.”

            At some point you just have to accept that this program has been plummeting for 25 years and is what it is. Tired of getting sucked in by it.
            Last edited by Sollozzo; 01-16-2019, 09:40 PM.

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            • Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post

              Basketball is certainly more depressing, that’s for sure. As I said, very few people actually care about IU football. There are a lot of people who would like to see IU football do well, but who long ago accepted it’s an eternal sewer.

              A lot of people still care about IU basketball though. I have to give IU fans credit for being some of the most loyal fans in all of sports. IU has failed to deliver on hype for most of the past quarter century, which you’d think would eventually depress the fanbase, but they are revved up and ready to go every season. We are some of the best fans in college sports because IU ranks near the bottom when it comes to hype matching reality. It’s remarkable because you have to at least be 40 years old at this point to have any solid memory of IU being a consistent powerhouse.

              This is year is a perfect example. We get one of the best players in Indiana high school history, yet are staring at a 4 game Big 10 losing streak in January if we lose to Purdue.

              I’m incredibly negative when it comes to IU basketball and football, but it’s for a reason. I’m in my early 30’s. By the time I was old enough to pay serious attention, Bobby Knight was nothing but an old out of touch a-hole bully who couldn’t win tournament games. We had the Final Four run with Davis, but since then have been in a perpetual state of “just wait, things will be fine.” First it was “well Davis wasn’t the right guy, but just watch what this Sampson hire will do.” Then it was, “Sampson was crooked, but Crean will be awesome once he recovers from Sampson nuking the program.” Then it was “well Crean just needs more time”. Now it’s “well Crean sucked, but just let Archie get his guys in there.”

              At some point you just have to accept that this program has been plummeting for 25 years and is what it is. Tired of getting sucked in by it.
              Yeah that sums it up. I reached the realization pretty early on during Sampson. Then a momentary false hope with Crean's first run with the Zeller, Dipo group, which was immediately scuttled by how underwhelming he was the next season with that same cohort. Immediately clear he just didn't have the coaching chops despite the talent level, which also proved to be unsustainable for him as well. For this reason, I haven't watched much of Archie Miller so far. At this point I am in total prove it mode before I commit time and energy to follow the program closely.
              I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

              -Emiliano Zapata

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              • This is gonna be ugly.

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                • Well, it looked really bad for a while at tge start but, iu seems to have settled down. Maybe they got a chance.

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                  • Impressed with how we rebounded after the 11-2 start.

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                    • Yeah, impressive recovery. That said, I'll be surprised if we can put together a sufficient stretch of focused play to be in position to win it. Hope I'm wrong.
                      I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                      -Emiliano Zapata

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                      • How in the hell are we still in the top 25?
                        I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                        -Emiliano Zapata

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                        • Has langford done anything positive today? I can't recall.

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                          • Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
                            How in the hell are we still in the top 25?
                            Don’t worry, we will be long out of the top 25 this week and probably won’t ever return this year.

                            A four game Big 10 losing streak in January. At this point, Archie has to scratch and claw just to be as good as Crean was, as sad as that sounds. Few things in life are as depressing as being a fan of IU basketball/football.

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                            • Is it too soon to give up on Archie? Probably. But I hate watching this team more than any of Crean's teams. Everything is just so...disjointed.

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                              • Originally posted by LuckSwagger View Post
                                Is it too soon to give up on Archie? Probably. But I hate watching this team more than any of Crean's teams. Everything is just so...disjointed.
                                I liked the Archie hire. Just seems like there’s a hex on the program regardless of the coach. It’s just a middling program with candy stripe pants and musty old banners.

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